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Offline Guilherme Souza

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Elliptic design
« on: May 25, 2017, 06:37:27 PM »
Dear All

Im looking for some proflile plane to use in training
But I want a plane with eliptic wing and stab

Do you know where Can I find some plans ?

Thank you

Guil


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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2017, 06:55:12 PM »
Sorry, I didn't see this before.

Look at this website:  https://aerofred.com

You have to sign up but they have a lot of free plans for elliptical designs many of which could be adapted or modifed into a nice, elliptical profile model.
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 09:06:27 AM »
Dear All

Im looking for some proflile plane to use in training
But I want a plane with eliptic wing and stab

Do you know where Can I find some plans ?

Thank you

Guil

Don't let me stop you if it's what you really want, but "profile" and "training" means "should be easy to build" to me, and "elliptical wing" means "hard to build" to me...

You could always find an elliptical-winged full-fuselage model with the right wing design and build that wing, with the bellcrank position modified just enough to be suitable for a profile.
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2017, 11:26:04 AM »
Take a look at the current home page at flyinglines.org. There's a great planform view of Pat Johnston's Epiphany, an elliptical
 wing and stab profile design. Pat has several elliptical designs in his plans list.
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2017, 11:44:30 PM »
Hutch's Spitfire?  Why not build the best? H^^
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 12:16:17 PM »
Here's one that always interested me.
Maybe someone out there has a better copy??
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« Last Edit: October 17, 2017, 02:29:35 PM by Gordon Van Tighem »
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2017, 01:00:21 PM »
Of course the Bosta and the Missourian.  Two ways to put massive labor into a combat wing.
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2017, 03:36:21 AM »
Here's one that always interested me.
Maybe someone out there has a better copy??
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Here you go.  I tracked down a nice PDF of the plans for the Tiburon (profile Shark). 
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2017, 04:27:23 PM »
Thanks Brent,
It's off to the printer to see if he can work from it....
(My previous copy was too fuzzy)
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2017, 07:19:55 PM »
The more things change , the more they stay the same .  S?P



Downloadable free from aerofred. pentland spitfire . Just iron the fuselage .

Any chance you'd repost that cleaned up , Gordon .

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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2017, 10:39:01 PM »
Hi Matt,
Pentland's wing needs to come up an inch and an increase to elevator area might get it closer.
If I can get a good copy, I will share it.
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 09:18:55 PM »
Hi Matt,
Pentland's wing needs to come up an inch and an increase to elevator area might get it closer.
If I can get a good copy, I will share it.
G

Sorry , i was on about the Yatsenko . Printed here at library AFTER Id Posted , surprisingly it came up clear & legable , After id posted .  :(

Muttering & fuming on Spitfire Wings . Ive used Scale + 6 inch added in center .Recently elongated a Std Scale 3 view to same O. A. but
just using the x - y co-ordinates . Near identical but maybe preferable aero dynamically . ' We Imagine ' .

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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 09:43:03 PM »
Have been contemplateing a ' Detroiter ' Spitfire / Eliptical wing for centuries. It'd obviously work . Tho the maths could be complicated . But who need maths

Yves Fernandez obviously agrees . A bit of common sense in the scribling/ plotting out , layout - and the plasticity of the timber would find the fit , if there
were ' variations. Intended or otherwise .


Cant figure how to ' liberate ' the pictures .  >:( so link ,

https://www.fesselflug.ch/content/werkstatt/modellvorstellung/seafire-mk47-.html

https://www.fesselflug.ch/content/werkstatt/modellvorstellung/seafire-mk47-.html

The Whinging above relates to a Spitfire having a Eliptically tatered spar.
A Tempest ( Hawker ) Has a Straight Taper . And a L E that is short straight -curve, long straight , curve - short straight .
outer wing . With the T.E. Curved aft of a straight taper straight ( in planform ) spar .

So though theres similarities ( perhaps ) Theyre NOT the SAME .



Youd think they wouldve thought to Hang Onto One , for ME .  ;) incidently some blokes are rebuilding a Typhoon to Fly , and have found a Engine for it now .Planes build from debri - from the ground up .

https://www.flyer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Hawker-Typhoon-project-3.jpg

http://www.typhoonlegacy.com/

incidently iit , JP 843 , was a tweaked Kiwi one , Lt Wt. ' wash coat ' paint job .
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One was first aircraft to intercept a lauched intercontinental ballistic missile , V2 .
Which again unfortunately wasnt there after the missile exploaded , V.C. material .


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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 09:53:12 PM »
This is the scale + 6 in ( in middle ) wing. 63 Span . New one under construction is same wing .



Thinking a Geo - Elliptical'd be the go .  >:(

Really need to mould & pre dope / sand leading edges BEFORE Fitting , So New one is Detroiter but full rib.  :P Wanna mould a few sets of L E from it
before I fit to Fuse.  >:( ( L Es for next projects ) . H^^

( thats one of the planes the rissole crushed - Melbourne . Dead Sh*t )

Can one of these computor whizz'es confirm  say a sin. cos. etc 30 Deg lengthened detroiter rib , will match the unshortened swine , in an
eliptic ving , thanks .

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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2017, 03:32:10 PM »
Thanks Brent,
It's off to the printer to see if he can work from it....
(My previous copy was too fuzzy)
G
So, I got a copy printed! Should probably frame it as there was some colour in the drawing and it scales to 40X82, thus costing almost $100.00. (Lesson learned, I will now specify b/w only to my printer)
Retried specifying black and white and printed in two parts, now only $22.00. I am getting some ribs and the spar lasered and will try one out to see how it performs, so more in a few months....
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2017, 07:34:03 PM »


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Original ' kookabuura ' kit ( Pentland ) appears to have the same cockups , Gordon .   S?P
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2018, 07:11:54 AM »
I forgot all about this.

An elliptical wing I designed with no model in mind, just the wing.

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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 11:44:29 PM »
Tiburon ribs and spar arrived, so we are getting the rest together...
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 11:24:01 AM »
With CAD help you could easily do a geodesic eliptical wing.
Once you create the top view and get the ribs in position you loft that in to a wing skin
Next you decide where the ribs go 2D in top wiew
When you project the wireframe to the lofted surface there are your ribs shape
The rest is kind of easy

More tips consider adding legs to glue the ribs right to the plan drawings, that way you could use a flat table lay the plan on the table and using the ribs legs you glue them in position right on too of the plan then is easy to add spars LE and TE sheeting LE sheeting.
Obviously you need some planning so the legs dont interfere with the build.
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Re: Elliptic design
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 08:31:06 PM »
Tiburon done, flew well last week.....
« Last Edit: June 06, 2018, 12:25:22 AM by Gordon Van Tighem »
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