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Offline roger

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« on: July 24, 2011, 06:21:48 PM »
whats the best way to join 2 planks of balsa  together but not letting the glue seep out on both the top and bottom and after you wipe ir off it leaves a glue trail outside HB~> the whole leanth of the joint...

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Re: woodie
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 06:31:35 PM »
            I know this may sound a little old fashioned. I typically use Ambroid to glue pieces like you stated. I'll pre glue the parts and then I mate them together getting glue on adequately on both parts then I let it dry. I can see some already scrambling for the door. Once dry I sand with fine sandpaper. I place the parts on a flat table aligning wherever needed and place tape over the joint. Fold the pieces back like they're hinged and apply glue once again. I lay the parts back on the flat table with a piece of used Monokote backing or waxed paper over the joint with weights on it. When using adhesives like Ambroid, Duco, Sig-Ment, they sand off very clean unlike Ca adhesives. Ken

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Re: woodie
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 06:32:18 PM »
do you mean joiing sheets together along the edge?

if so - sand the edges of each so they sit flush and true along the length, pin or weight them in place (edges together) run masking tape along the whole joint on the top to hold them.  take the weights off, turn the balsa sheets over and fold back on the tape (like opening a book) run a bead of glue along the edge.   fold it bck to flat. put it tape side down on, add weights or pins, wipe of any escess glue. leave to dry.

you can also do this with slow cure CA - and once down flat - sand IMMEDIATELY along/across the joint - the dust will stick to the glue in the joint and act as a filler at the same time..
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 06:33:17 PM »
posted at the same time!!!!  HA
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Re: woodie
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 06:39:33 PM »
Flush up the two panels by over lapping the sheets and cutting through both using a straight edge. Next but the pieces up and tape the seam with masking tape. Flip over and run a bead of glue down the seam and lay flat. The glue will squeeze out of the seam. Scrape off excess. Let dry. The taped side will have very little if any glue seapage. Sand the seam to get rid of any. use that side as the outer side during construction. Works like a charm.
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Re: woodie
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2011, 07:47:53 AM »
 y1 #^ ;D

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Re: woodie
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 01:23:12 AM »
If you are using the sheeting for skinning the wing, make sure you sand the sheets to a good finish, and if you can, pre-curve, (bend) before attaching to the wing structure. If you sand the sheeting heavily while attached to the wing, the ribs will show through!, know as the "starved horse effect"  :(

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Re: woodie
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 02:11:52 PM »
What if you wanted to butt glue two pieces of 1/2" x 3" x36" to make a profile fuselage, which glue would you use? Thanks, Mike  H^^
Do you mean butt glue as in end-grain to end-grain?  Or do you mean edge-gluing, with the grain running with (not into) to the edges?  In the first case -- just put all the pieces on a muddy patch of your driveway and roll your car over them.  It saves time over building an airplane that's going to break anyway, and has the same ultimate effect.  In the second case, here's what I'd do:

For any of these, you want a joint that's as close to perfect before you start -- any gaps will both weaken the structure and make your sanding issues worse.

My preference would be Sig-ment, tightbond, or other "yellow" carpenter's glue.  They sand reasonably well and they're stronger than Ambroid.

However, Ambroid ain't that bad in the strength department, and you expect the fuselage to be a bit weak across the grain anyway.  So as long as everything fits tightly, and you double-glue the joint (this is really only necessary for cellulose glues like Ambroid, and for them it's necessary), it should work.  But yellow glue would be my first choice.

Thick CA would also work, and would be way fast.  I suppose that if I wanted a plane in a hurry (and if CA didn't give me nosebleeds) that's what I'd do.

Epoxy would make a nice strong bond, but you'd have a line of Really Hard Glue right in the middle of something that you want to sand flat, and that would be a bummer.
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Re: woodie
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 02:44:54 PM »
whats the best way to join 2 planks of balsa  together but not letting the glue seep out on both the top and bottom and after you wipe ir off it leaves a glue trail outside HB~> the whole leanth of the joint...
Bob Hunt is the master at this. Get his video on molded balsa shells, which covers this and other processes.  One thing that seems to be a matter of technique is how hard to squeeze the two sheets together while applying CA.  In my case it's not as hard as I first thought.  If you squeeze too hard it puts residual stresses in the wood that seem to make a ridge you can't sand off.
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Re: woodie
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 05:22:39 PM »
I do much the same using the tape method and Sigment. I have found that if you sand accross the grain and joint, it will sand much smoother without a ridge at the glue joint. After the joint is smooth, you can finish up with finer grit sanding with the grain and joint.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2011, 11:25:42 PM »
1. Measure the surface to be sheeted at the maximum length and width.
2. Round up the the nearest increment in inches.
3. Order from Lone Star Balsa!  ;D

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Re: woodie
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 09:53:50 AM »
I do much the same using the tape method and Sigment. I have found that if you sand accross the grain and joint, it will sand much smoother without a ridge at the glue joint. After the joint is smooth, you can finish up with finer grit sanding with the grain and joint.

I get these ridges that won't go away.  When I sand off the top, the stresses inside push it up more.  I had one on the bottom of a stab that was so bad you could hear the flow separation in outsides over the roar of the mighty .40 VF.  I had sanded it every whichaway.  Not squeezing so hard when I Hot-Stuff the joint seems to help, although I have one or two of these ridges on the new dog.  I could be patient and use slower glue, but the CA works a treat if done correctly.  My new Hunt foam wing has no ridges. 
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