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Offline James Mills

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Wing Sheeting
« on: February 07, 2011, 08:36:27 PM »
I'm starting a wing (700+ square inches) and the plans call for 3/32.   Is there any problem substituting 1/16 to save some weight as far as strength is concerned?

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 12:52:45 AM »
Cut, join and sand the sheeting to a good smooth surface before you attach it to the wing. Sanding the surface too heavily when its on the wing causes the ribs to show through!

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2011, 06:45:03 AM »
James I use Elmers glue to join the sheeting edges with a drop every 1/2 inch or so.  You want to be careful and not have glue squeeze out to the top of the sheeting.  You just cant sand it out especially if you are using 1/16th sheeting.  I prefer 3/32 contest grade for sheeting.  The weight difference is not that great and you have more leeway for sanding. 

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 07:17:53 AM »
Not that this matters here. But, I built a 696sq." stunt ship almost entirely from 3/32 including fuse sides and molded balsa top & bottom blocks, it weighed 59 oz ready to fly and with modern power and building practices it is plenty strong.

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 10:41:18 AM »
I think balsa cement is easier to sand for sheeting joints. I put a small piece of 1/32" sheet across the joint between the ribs to stop it coming undone, should you push to hard on the sheeting! I've had it happen! Just 1/2" or so of 1/32" with the grain across the joint works fine.

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 05:55:03 PM »
On one of Bobby's videos he shows how he does the joining of sheets of wood.  Trim one side of two sheets of wood.  Put the trimmed edges together.  Put a strip of good ole masking tape down what will be the seam.  Carefully turn the two sheets over to see if there are any gaps.  Now fold them up a little to open the seam.  Put a thin stream of white glue down the seam.  Lay the sheets down flat and wipe off the excess glue.  The tape should be down.    I think in Bobby's video he show wrapping masking tape around a couple of fingers.  Lay the sheets down flat with no gaps.  Take your bottle of CA and start putting a drop or two down the seam.  Rub it in with the taped up fingers.  When done turn it over and remove the tape.  Now trim up one of the edges that was just glued and trim another sheet to add to it.  Same tape and CA as before.  Once you have the sheets glued up to the width you want, block sand both sides.  I think that is why you start with 3/32 inch sheet wood.  Mark which side will be the outside surface.   Now what was the question??? D>K
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 01:01:46 PM »
I had always ordered .077 wood from Riley when I was doing a "big" wing with open bays like the Geo XL.  Haven't had to in a while.

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 02:09:16 PM »
did I miss it. but are asking for a built up or foam wing. built up use 3/32 foam wing 1/16
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 02:53:06 PM »
did I miss it. but are asking for a built up or foam wing. built up use 3/32 foam wing 1/16

Hi Alan,

Built up wing, Geo XL if I am not mistaken.

I agree, 3/32nds, but .077 if really conscious of weight.  We used 3/32nd on Aaron's Geo "Bolt" XL (P-47 Geo wing in a Geo XL) and it was low-mid '60s when finished.  Could have been even lighter, but not because of the wing.  And no problems until after Aaron took a bite out of the bank at Brodak's...........  I wouldn't trust 1/16th on a wing that big, myself.

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2011, 04:39:56 AM »
at the risk of telling people how to ' suck eggs ', :!

 1/16 = 1.6 mm

 .077 = 2.0 mm

 3/32 = 2.4 mm

 one could have a sheet of ea. with identical weight. were would that leave you ? D>K

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2011, 07:04:57 AM »
I think balsa cement is easier to sand for sheeting joints. I put a small piece of 1/32" sheet across the joint between the ribs to stop it coming undone, should you push to hard on the sheeting! I've had it happen! Just 1/2" or so of 1/32" with the grain across the joint works fine.
What is "balsa cement" ?
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2011, 02:46:30 PM »
Good 'ole balsa cement has been around for decades. It consists of cellulose resins in a solvent base, thick dope with some other ingredients I think ;D
So it sands easy, its gone out of fashion since cyano's came along. It takes a long time to dry properly, but model shops still stock it, well they do here in England anyway :) It's good for some jobs though. Its all we had years ago.

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2011, 05:08:48 PM »
   Allen, balsa cament is Ambroid, testors Sig and Duco and such, we call it" model airplane glue."..
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2011, 08:16:00 PM »
Hi all:

Actually Doc didn't get it quite right as I don't use, and never did use white glue or Aliphatic resin for joining skins. I did long ago use the "tent peak" method of joining the skins with a masking tape "hinge" and then folding open the gap. I used Ambroid as the adhesive then, not white glue.

I've long since developed new, and I think better, way of sheeting foam core wings. I once put this entire dissertation onto Stunt Hangar, and it should be in the archives somewhere.

I stumbled across a website that has apparently "pirated" that how to. Although that has me a bit miffed, the main thing is to get the information out to those who need it. So, here is the URL to find that complete How-To on not only sheeting foam core wings, but also on how to attach molded leading edge caps to cores that have fully rounded leading edges. So, go here:

 http://www.scribd.com/doc/24384216/Bob-Hunt-Sheeting-Wing

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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2011, 07:21:55 AM »
After you sheet it, cover it with carbon veil ( as Bob Hunt does ) and it'll be very strong.
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2011, 06:59:16 PM »
My bad Bob,  this after watching your videos several times.  But, read on down on my post.  Every body should have your building videos.   H^^
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2011, 06:08:03 AM »
Bob's DVD's are a cheap investment for all the information you get.  I have most of them now
myself and watch them instead of the junk that's on the tube most evenings anymore.
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2011, 08:11:53 PM »
I have the video.  Spencer watched it with me attentively the first two times, but got bored and walked off the third time.  I have a bunch of nice, molded parts now.  Joining sheets takes a little technique.  I was initially squeezing them together a little too hard.  I also gouged the light balsa with ridges on the tape on my fingers.  I'd better give the video another run-through. 
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Re: Wing Sheeting
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2011, 10:33:01 PM »
Good topic for me. I have a set of triple cored Geobolt wing halves, shortened down to 53" to allow for three inch swept tips on either end. About 640/50 sq. My plan is to sheet with 1/20th balsa, using finish cure epoxy to secure the sheeting and it will also be applied as the finish substrate. Two coats of the finish cure over .02 carbon mat and finely sanded. Fiber glass over the center joint in two layers also. Two coats of finish and wet elbow grease. ::)

Of special note here is that the sheeting will go over the TE which is already attached to the cores and straight as a die. Thanks Bobby. Weight and proper strength will be an issue. The fuse construction will be molded 3/32 with the same finish techniques, bulk heads and hatches etc. as necessary.

Pete supplied me with a Power 25 and some weight considerations for the front end. Winship crank and Morris horns.


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