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Offline Chris Fretz

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What is a Short Kit?
« on: March 03, 2016, 07:12:07 PM »
What is a short kit?  ???
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2016, 07:34:57 PM »
A short kit is one that does not contain all the wood and/or hardware required to fully complete the model in one single box.  Typically it would contain maybe pre-bent landing gear, maybe a canopy, and all the major parts that might require laser cutting, band saw cutting like fuse bulkheads and wing ribs etc. Major blocks for cowl carving and such may be included.  But many of the planks (for wing covering) and/or sticks of standard spec may not be there. You also get the plans of course.  Basically the stuff you might not like to cut yourself are included but none of the bulk wood that would allow for finishing a structure in total.  Something like that anyway is how I see them.

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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2016, 03:38:57 PM »
Thanks guys! Must be something about 20yrs...same for me!
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 09:28:26 PM »
It seems like a good idea to me.

Just sell the precision-cut parts and let the builder buy the sticks and sheets at his LHS. 
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 12:28:14 AM »
It seems like a good idea to me.

Just sell the precision-cut parts and let the builder buy the sticks and sheets at his LHS. 

Or pick through his stash of super-light wood, if he's picky.
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 12:33:33 AM »
I often finish up a kit with half the wood and hardware still in the box, or more, because I'm picky.  Or I build it with what's there and I'm sullen and bitchy while I do it -- because I'm picky.

So not paying for a bunch of stuff that I'm just going to throw away is attractive to me.
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 09:54:18 AM »
I like the short kits as they take up very little room.   
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 02:34:03 PM »
Back a few years when deciding to retire and get back to modeling I was disappointed in LHS selections of balsa and some of the mail order stuff was hit n miss...I got good at weight grading but still suck at grain evaluating and that can be real important for certain pieces like formed sheeting or stiff spars or LE edge, TE straightness...resistance to changing shape

I went to several RC swap meets and decided that some of the old Goldberg and Top Flite giant kits were being sold for a tenth of what the wood inside was worth and as example bought a Top Flight DC-3 84 inch wing span kit.  Yes quite a bit of the cut / shaped wood is only good to further cut to smaller pieces

BUT I found the spar and sheet stock incredibly good and most selected ( for a certain part of the Plan) was the correct grain to form / shape and consistent weights among the different sheets

Most of the sheet and spar stock were 48" by 3" or 4" wide and there was also a large selection of triangle and taper (TE) stock that was all very straight and usable

IN the one kit I paid $25 for was easily $125 worth of good balsa and ply.....and yes Virginia...about 1/3rd was so specific in cut and shape that it is just fire wood

Later I bought a Hanger 9 Extra 300 100" wingspan kit for $45 and same experience...a LOT of very good wood

Bottom line is do NOT be afraid of cottage industry short kits .... I have many from Pat Johnston, and others ...providing my own "long wood" based on the original plan or "experience" is a lot easier if you have a large selection

And here is the real trick

Example you ....like me.... asked about the Primary Force Mikey Pratt short kit

I do not know if the provided plan has specific call out for Spar or LE/ TE thickness or weights or preferred grain

Here on SH are so many folks who have the ARF and also built from KIt and even a few who scratch built that model

All I have to do is ask what would be the preferred wood on a certain section of the wing or fuse or stab /elevator and I will get good answers

and as soon as my short kit for Mikey get to me that is what I intend to do...ask for help

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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2016, 03:37:55 PM »
What is a short kit?  ???

Hi Liner (don't know your name),
The term short kit goes back along way.  It was used on simple f/f models with print wood, balsa sticks, and plan wrapped in paper tube.  The Force series of short kits contain the needed laser cut balsa & plywood parts to build the model.  Stick wood, sheeting, hardware are not included.  However, it suggests the right hardware that is needed and the proper size of all balsa.  Weight of the balsa is not suggested but every one knows that the lighter wood is better except for wing spars they should be medium weight balsa.

One of the reason I prefer short kits (over factory produced kits) is I want to choose the hardware it want.  Example:  landing gear wire or aluminum sheet gear.  There is nothing wrong with music wire landing gear.  For some it is easier to bend the wire gear than the aluminum sheet gear.  Another example is type of pushrod, some like the music wire and others us c/f pushrods and so on.  So why pay the money for something your not going to use, you could always put in your scrap box and save it for another time.

If I put all the need parts, landing gear, sheeting, c/f pushrod, sheeting, and stick wood the cost of the kit would go up a fair amount, and that would reduce the number of customers that would be able to afford the cost of the kit.

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Mikey

I didn't mention the Primary Force also comes with an instruction book with step by step instructions. 

« Last Edit: March 09, 2016, 12:27:22 PM by MikeyPratt »

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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2016, 09:39:44 PM »
I've got a ThunderGazer kit from RSM and in a way it's a short kit. There's allot of CF laminate you need to buy and the leading edge and fuselage turtle decks need to be made on foam forms. also, this is the first wing I felt I needed a wing jig to build. Not really a short kit but not something you can just pop out of the box and glue together if you get my point.

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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 07:27:27 AM »
Thanks guys that cleared me up! I get it now.
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Re: What is a Short Kit?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 06:56:44 AM »
I look at it as scratch building made easy!  Study the plans like a scratch build for a couple days.  Think about the order of construction and what parts would need cut out as a true scratch build. 

Then study the plans again taking inventory of what parts are already cut for you.  Set of a building space and have at it.

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