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Finishing Weight Gain
« on: February 09, 2007, 10:42:44 AM »
The following is from one of the RC forums. I thought some might find it interesting. This is for a TF GE P51, which is not a small aircraft. Another individual confirmed, based on his experience, that this seemed about right.

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Paul

Note: Covered with .75oz FG cloth and Polycrylic Water Based Acrylic. Painted with Behr Metallic Silver Acrylic and Nelson Hobbies Water Based Polyurethane. Weights in grams.

FUSELAGE:

Sanded Fuse Ready to Cover: 1069
Glassed with .75oz FG and Polycrylic WB: 1125
Bondo 907 and sanded: 1134
1 Coat Primer (unsanded) : 1272
Primer Sanded: 1180
Cockpit added: 1257
2 coats Behr Silver Acrylic: 1282
Paint (all colors) complete 5-6 coats WBPU: 1300
With clear coat (3 coats): 1319

Total gain from glassing and painting (fuselage): Approx. 170 grams

WING:

Sanded Wing Ready to Cover: 1035
Glassed and primer (sanded): 1083
1 coat Behr Silver Acrylic: 1090
All paint added (5-6 coats Nelson WBPU): 1128
Clear coats added (3-4 coats): 1152

Total gain from glassing and painting (wing): Approx. 117 grams

TOTAL GAIN FROM COVERING AND PAINTING (ENTIRE AIRCRAFT): 287 Grams / .63 lbs


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Re: Finishing Weight Gain
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2007, 02:25:18 PM »
IIRC, I usually see reported weights of the finish on large "tarted up" stunters to be in the 8-10 oz. range.  Sounds about like what is quoted here.

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Re: Finishing Weight Gain
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2007, 04:59:00 PM »
Yes, but no dope, fiberglass over fully sheeted surfaces, PC, polyurethane, and real paint. I thought UC types used doe tosave weight?

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Re: Finishing Weight Gain
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007, 10:35:24 PM »
Hmm, "real paint"? Glad to know that lacquer is fake paint.

I've used auto urethane base coat, catalyzed polyurethane topcoat, epoxies and several combinations of other stuff. All work fine with sheeted surfaces. Al Rabe's been using epoxies from the wood up on sheeted planes. But weight with a CL plane is a much bigger issue than with an RC. We have to pull lines around and deal with more "G" force. So open structures are more useful and that means open bays and that generally means using a finish that will shrink.

As it turns out, epoxy, urethane and enamels are out since they don't shrink.
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Re: Finishing Weight Gain
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2007, 08:24:45 AM »
Yes, but no dope, fiberglass over fully sheeted surfaces, PC, polyurethane, and real paint. I thought UC types used doe tosave weight?

Paul

You are right, Paul, and at one time I believe it was because the person could apply more clear dope than clear auto paint, for the same final weight, and get a shiny finish.

Plus, what Randy said. ;D

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Re: Finishing Weight Gain
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2007, 08:48:37 AM »
Sounds like a very realistic weight scenario.  The TF P-51 is a 65 in. plane, slightly larger than most 60 size stunters, although the stunters may have more wing area to balance things out.  287 grams(10 oz.) is a very beliveable number and right in line with full bore stunt finishes.  The fiberglass is a minor amount of weight(about 35 grams), as long as it isn't saturated with an excess of epoxy.

ALL the finishes are plastics of one sort or another.  The ALL have very similar densities.  They ALL require a certain minimum thickness to cover the base and develop a solid, shiny surface of about the same weight.  The only way to really save weight on a finish is to follow Sparky's directions- build an immaculately smooth plane and then finish it with a minimum of primer and filler.

The main reason dope has a reputation for lighter weight is that a clear dope finish(6-10 coats) over colored silk, with colored dope only for trim and on the fuse, is a lot less weight.  There simply is less paint involved with the heavy pigments.
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Re: Finishing Weight Gain
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2007, 09:41:01 AM »
Can't wait for Sparky's DVD on finishing.  But, as stated, sand off all that is not needed.  Also I think Al says to only use enough resin to fill the weave of the fiber glas.  DOC Holliday
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