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Title: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on August 21, 2006, 05:44:20 PM: I had decided a while back to build another Thunder Bolt. Today I started on the fuselage. This is 1 days progress. Fuse and stab and elevator is almost complete. I find this plane easy to build as I have all the jig's,molds and fixtures already made. So in about 2 weeks I will have the basic airframe done and start finishing. I will give a detailed finish step by step on this plane.

I have the wing half's already done. I have a new S6B ready to put together as well. I know everyone thought I was sleeping but guess what? "I" wasn't!

Here is a shot of the airframe. It weighs 19.5 oz as it sits here. I think I can complete it under 25 oz. Top and bottom and rudder. If is goes more than 28oz it will be scrap.

Molding to start tomorrow night.

Is anybody out there going to build this plane now that the plans are out? I am thinking of selling skins.
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on August 23, 2006, 07:55:51 AM: Maybe an O.D. and Grey one this time?
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: Bill Little on August 23, 2006, 02:02:16 PM: Razorback, correct??????????

Bill <><
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on August 23, 2006, 05:07:30 PM: Only if the canopy is not going to be a big problem.
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: Doug Moon on August 23, 2006, 08:58:36 PM: Are you going to do anything different on this one from the others.? I noticed in another thread you said this wasnt your plane of choice. What will you do this time to make it so?
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on August 23, 2006, 09:04:26 PM: Lighter more power!
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: the original Steve Smith on August 23, 2006, 09:27:03 PM: Bob,

Is that Viper 1 I see peeking out of the background on the first photo?
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: W.D. Roland on August 26, 2006, 07:51:28 PM: Robert
how do you run this site and still find time to build like that?
must be i am slow at all of above--computers and building that is.

good work on all!
thanks for the site!

David
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's) Martin Solo
Post by: RC Storick on August 28, 2006, 04:57:55 PM: I posted this on SSW

Sparky12366
Member since Jun-27-04
2585 posts Aug-28-06, 05:50 PM (CST)

56. "RE: Low cost 60 to 75 Engine for Stunt"
In response to message #0

There have been allot of replies to this thread. I have experience with this airplane. It will take an engine that is light and can swing a big prop. Low end torque or a high rev big horsepower engine. Either way the plane must be built light! I had a .61 on a pipe in the first one and yes it flew OK however with a .75 if flies much better! The frontal area is the killer. I am building the third one fitted for the .75 and I will try for the weight of a .40 size airplane. mid 50tys My S6B same basic airframe except more streemline flies great at 57 oz. I was asked by Jim Lynch how I got it that light? Answer "stand closer to the sandpaper"

Robert Storick
AMA 12366
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on August 30, 2006, 05:21:19 PM: What's the latest Sparky? Must be ready for paint by now I would think. <=
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: Randy Powell on August 31, 2006, 03:56:33 PM: Sparky,

I agree completely. I've been ruthless in sanding filler and such on the new plane I'm working on. Spent more time sanding that plane than the last three. 626 square inches and weighed ~42oz ready to fly prior to putting on the first coat of dope on the bare airframe. I've been determined that it not go over 50oz.
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: Martin Quartim on September 01, 2006, 10:02:30 PM: Hi Sparky,

I am very impressed with the weight you can build this model.

We will need to make the wing removable in other to bring it on the plane.

Would you be interested in making a kit ?

With removable wings of course ;D

Martin
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on September 02, 2006, 05:37:45 AM: Thanks for the compliment but I am not interested in building for others any longer. I have built many planes for other FAI fliers but I no Longer have the time to do so. I was offered BIG money to build this plane for another person and I have turned it down as well.

This forum and building for my self take up too much of my time already.
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on September 07, 2006, 05:40:14 PM: How's she comin' Sparky? #^
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on September 07, 2006, 06:22:38 PM: T-Bolt #3 is coming along nicely. However I am waiting for people to buy up these Tshirts so I can get my good computer fixed and I can post some more photo's.
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: proparc on September 09, 2006, 10:53:10 AM: Sparky, I am preparing to do some hard core building. Where do get your wood and generally, what does your wood weigh? And will you do a play by play on all the molded parts.

Phil Granderson, Jose Modesto and myself can rightfully use this emoticon LOL. x:
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: Martin Quartim on September 16, 2006, 10:14:24 PM: Heya Sparky!

What brand and model do you recomendo for the wheels?

Martin
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on September 16, 2006, 10:17:15 PM: I use Dubro Light flight 3 inch ww2 wheels.
Title: Re: T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on September 18, 2006, 10:38:54 AM: The date is 9-18-06. Right now I am cleaning my shop for the next flurry of building. I will be showing the top and bottom block molding techniques as soon as the shop is clean. Later tonight or tomorrow. I need to get back to building for sure!
Title: Update 9-18-06 T-Bolt 3 Build (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on September 18, 2006, 05:04:46 PM: Well I have the shop somewhat cleaned up and I am working on what I love best now. Here is where I am at now. Wing done ,fuse crutch,done and stab done. Tonight I am going to lay up the mold bucks and I will show this detail. If you have a question ask as I go.
Title: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: RC Storick on September 18, 2006, 09:06:33 PM: Here is a shot of the airframe. It weighs 19.5 oz as it sits here. I think I can complete it under 25 oz. Top and bottom and rudder. If is goes more than 28oz it will be scrap.

Molding to start tomorrow night.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: Randy Powell on September 18, 2006, 09:39:27 PM: Robert,

YOu are one out of control guy. Looks very good. Razorback?
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: RC Storick on September 18, 2006, 09:57:34 PM: I had thought about it but I really don't like the looks of the razorback. So no it will be the later version bubble.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: wwwarbird on September 21, 2006, 08:57:42 PM: Hey Sparky,

How about a P-47N with the long ventral fin and squared off wingtips? (this would be WAY cool and I bet you've never seen one done for C/L stunt) I know, I see your tips are done, but the way you go you could re-do them in about 1/2 an hour! y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: Bill Little on September 21, 2006, 09:32:37 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on September 21, 2006, 08:57:42 PM
Hey Sparky,

How about a P-47N with the long ventral fin and squared off wingtips? (this would be WAY cool and I bet you've never seen one done for C/L stunt) I know, I see your tips are done, but the way you go you could re-do them in about 1/2 an hour! y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1

Actually.................. Billy's first P-47 "Geo Bolt" was a red racing "N" with the squared off tips. He *might* have won the Concours at the '95 (??) Nats with it. Red #7, very sharp. AFAIK, it was said to Billy that it didn't "present" well, and I don't think he flew it again.

Bill <><
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: wwwarbird on September 22, 2006, 11:52:22 AM: I never saw or heard of that one Bill. Sounds cool to me, anyone have any pics?
Lookin' good Sparky, I'm staying tuned.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: Bill Little on September 22, 2006, 12:45:24 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on September 22, 2006, 11:52:22 AM
I never saw or heard of that one Bill. Sounds cool to me, anyone have any pics?
Lookin' good Sparky, I'm staying tuned.

I do have a picture of Billy holding it and the "Prop" the Concours winner receives. As soon as I find it, I will post it. Checkered black/white nose, etc., and looked just great to me.

Bill <><
Title: Thunderbolt Progress
Post by: RC Storick on October 09, 2006, 06:41:37 PM: Here are a couple of shots of T-Bolt#3. As you see it here it weighs 20 oz. I think with the top and bottom molded skins,rudder,canopy and pilot it will come in under 25 oz. This is a good weight for this size airframe. This build has taken considerably longer than the others. Looking for the front row this year of coarse it might be hard with 40 other T-Bolts there. SH^
Title: Re: Thunderbolt Progress
Post by: wwwarbird on October 10, 2006, 04:14:19 PM: Cool. y1

(Hint: It'll stand out alot more from those 40 others with the O.D. and Grey paint, Invasion Stripes, and black/yellow diamond-checker cowl and tail.) >:D >:D >:D y1
Title: Re: Thunderbolt Progress
Post by: Bill Little on October 11, 2006, 07:41:30 AM: Quote from: wwwarbird on October 10, 2006, 04:14:19 PM
Cool. y1

(Hint: It'll stand out alot more from those 40 others with the O.D. and Grey paint, Invasion Stripes, and black/yellow diamond-checker cowl and tail.) >:D >:D >:D y1

A "Checkertail Clan" ship is the ticket! That is an awesome paint scheme.

The other one is Col. Francis Gabreski's plane (camo) is another excellent choice!

Bill <><
Title: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: RC Storick on October 16, 2006, 07:00:39 PM: Here are a few shots of what I have been up to. The cowl on this one took two days. Jim Lynch gave me a guide at the last NATS on how and what they were looking for for the front row. Perfect fits and shape are in the cards for this bird. I was going to make a remote glow starter but it weighs 14 grams. Too much extra weight IMHO. But the fuel line is hidden in the cowl opening and the needle valve will not show either.Hidden mounting hardware. Its been a pain but I hope it will pay off.

Last shot is one of the Brazilians T-Bolts. I hope they used glue this year. At last years NATS I was almost hit with a flying engine on one occasion and on the other occasion I was almost his with a whole plane in the face.
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: mark eisenhut on October 17, 2006, 08:48:28 AM: very nice work what are you using for filler?[putty]
thanks
mark eisenhut
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: wwwarbird on October 17, 2006, 05:14:46 PM: I like the scale rudder hinge line! y1
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: wwwarbird on October 19, 2006, 07:30:26 PM: How's she comin' Sparky??? j1
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: RC Storick on October 20, 2006, 06:37:31 AM: It's coming along great! But with all the competition of P-47s this year I can't let all the tricks out of the bag, at least not till its done. Lets just say it will be twice as good as the #2 bolt I flew in the past years. While the Senta Pua team will have more scale like finishes with the flat olive drab I have chosen to do a high gloss silver-gray with bright squadron colored trim.
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: Larry Cunningham on October 20, 2006, 09:45:00 AM: Nice work, Sparky!

I'm sure it will be a fantastic ship.

L.

"Wisdom denotes denotes the pursuing of the best ends by the best means." -Francis Hutcheson
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: Tom Perry on October 20, 2006, 12:42:31 PM: Robert,

Looks real good. Maybe some day you will do a razor back? I know you said you prefered the bubble canopy but the razor back does look neat.

#^
Title: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 20, 2006, 07:14:50 PM: Here are 3 shots of where it will live until it's done. Ya just gotta love this stand! Can you see how much more shapely this years is?
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: Martin Quartim on October 20, 2006, 07:36:06 PM: Hi Sparky,

Tower Hobbies and other stores I tried dint'list the

Dubro Light flight 3 inch ww2 wheels

that you recommended.

Can you tell me where I can get these wheels?

Thank you,

Martin
Title: Re: T-Bolt Airframe
Post by: RC Storick on October 20, 2006, 07:37:51 PM: I'll see if I can get the hobby shop to tell me.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: James Mills on October 20, 2006, 08:53:10 PM: Sparky,

What did you use for sheer webbing in pic number 3 on the inboard wing?

James
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 20, 2006, 08:57:57 PM: 1/8 inch balsa.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: James Mills on October 20, 2006, 09:10:10 PM: Is the grain running vertical?

James
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 20, 2006, 09:46:39 PM: yes
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: Ron Merrill on October 21, 2006, 11:01:50 AM: Robert, is that a Byron Barker paint stand or did you build it? Ron. AP^
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 21, 2006, 05:58:52 PM: It is a Byron Barker stand. Best $75.00 I have ever spent!
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: Steve Helmick on October 21, 2006, 07:06:34 PM: I thought this '47 was going to be a Razorback! Tsk, tsk, tsk! But hey, what's that airplane hanging on the wall in the top picture? Silver or gold painted...looks good. You have too many airplanes. :! Steve
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 21, 2006, 07:22:53 PM: Quote from: Steve Helmick on October 21, 2006, 07:06:34 PM
I thought this '47 was going to be a Razorback! Tsk, tsk, tsk! But hey, what's that airplane hanging on the wall in the top picture? Silver or gold painted...looks good. You have too many airplanes. :! Steve

I said no Razorback. I like the bubble better and I need to build for me,sorry. The plane in question is one of the last planes Tom Warden built before he passed on the the flying circle in the sky. I keep it as a memory of him. I have never flown it and probibly will not ever fly it. It has a GMA ST-G21.46 in it. I might use the engine in something someday.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 21, 2006, 10:07:14 PM: Here is two shots for where I'm at now. Tomorrow I will bend gear and start finishing.
Title: Cowl mounting (photos)
Post by: RC Storick on October 22, 2006, 11:25:32 AM: I was asked on SSW about how did I mount the cowl. I will no longer answer those types of questions other than here at the Hangar.

So first off I bent the gear and installed them. Then I weighed one of my other T-bolts with out the engine. This airframe stand at 814 grams (28.71) ( missed my target weight for this stage by .71) but as close as I can figure I have 11.5 finish weight room. If I use it all it should be a spectacular finish. But you know me I wont! That is so I can come out at the same weight as number one T-Bolt. However I want it lighter so I am looking for a 8 oz finish. That will be a feet in its self as the airframe is so big but I am gonna try!

Cowl mounting pictures are self explanatory.
Title: Progress (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on October 24, 2006, 09:15:02 PM: Progress is a little slower on this finish than in the past. I am looking for quality. This shot shows the nose in Fiberglass. Fits are good!
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: Crist Rigotti on October 24, 2006, 10:09:46 PM: Looks very, very nice Bob.
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 08:39:48 AM: Is the fuse outline different from the previous version? It looks more scale to me, maybe I just didn't notice before.

Lookin' good! y1
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: Ron Merrill on October 25, 2006, 08:50:15 AM: Robert, very scale looking. The judges should really like it. Ron. y1
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on October 25, 2006, 09:12:47 AM: Quote from: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 08:39:48 AM
Is the fuse outline different from the previous version? It looks more scale to me, maybe I just didn't notice before.

Lookin' good! y1

I think its the bubble with a pilot in it! x:
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on October 25, 2006, 09:56:56 AM: Quote from: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 08:39:48 AM
Is the fuse outline different from the previous version? It looks more scale to me, maybe I just didn't notice before.

Lookin' good! y1

Thanks: I did increase the scale appearance by making the fuse a little different. Much more shapely. Rounder: if thats a word.
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 10:04:06 AM: How about adding the vents in the sides of the aft fuse? That would be a cool detail. Aluminum tube guns in the wing...the cool factor keeps going up. x:
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on October 25, 2006, 01:18:34 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 10:04:06 AM
How about adding the vents in the sides of the aft fuse? That would be a cool detail. Aluminum tube guns in the wing...the cool factor keeps going up. x:

Yes the cool factor would be there but this is not scale. The reason for no vents is I do not want to compromise the structure in the aft fuselage. The guns would be cool except the would probably get bent up. So I will leave no chance of this an leave them off.

EDIT: I do not know how I ever finished planes before getting this Byron Barker paint stand. It is a true joy to work with. I can also see how my finishes will come out better using this product. I will not have any more dings in the finish before even getting to the field for the first flight

I can stand in one spot and turn the plane over at will. Its great!
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 04:24:59 PM: Could we see some good pics of the stand and how it works, holds the airplane, etc.?
Title: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: RC Storick on October 25, 2006, 05:11:36 PM: I have gotten a little farther today as I stayed home to work on my new plane.
Title: Re: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: Chris McMillin on October 25, 2006, 08:40:58 PM: Nice seat.
Chris...
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on October 26, 2006, 10:34:44 AM: EDIT: I do not know how I ever finished planes before getting this Byron Barker paint stand. It is a true joy to work with. I can also see how my finishes will come out better using this product. I will not have any more dings in the finish before even getting to the field for the first flight

I can stand in one spot and turn the plane over at will. Its great!
Quote

Kinda looks like a minature engine stand. Is that how its made?
Title: Re: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: Richard Grogan on October 26, 2006, 10:38:51 AM: Whats she weighing at this stage? What'd you say your target weight was? Looking good!
Title: Re: Progress (Photo)
Post by: Mike Spiess on October 26, 2006, 11:27:21 AM: It looks more like a bicycle work stand. Accualy I have used my for some planes.
Title: Re: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: RC Storick on October 26, 2006, 04:33:17 PM: It weighs 31 oz right as it is pictured here. Target weight is just under 60. It will be tough.
Title: Re: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: Scott Jenkins on October 26, 2006, 06:00:48 PM: Sparky,
Assuming you could not see to go to work ??? how did you manage to work on the airplane ;D OK, thats all for me the pain medicine is starting to kick in. Everything is starting to strike me funny. Very nice plane though. ;)

Scott
Title: Re: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: frank carlisle on October 26, 2006, 07:24:54 PM: That plane looks great Sparky. I like that fat fuselage.
Title: Re: Cowl mounting (photos)
Post by: Richard Grogan on October 27, 2006, 03:07:04 AM: [quote author=Robert Storick link=topic=2363.msg16272#msg16272 If I use it all it should be a spectacular finish. But you know me I wont! That is so I can come out at the same weight as number one T-Bolt. However I want it lighter so I am looking for a 8 oz finish. That will be a feet in its self as the airframe is so big but I am gonna try!]quote

How about a silver aluminum finish this time with invasion stripes on the bottom, instead of the gray finish? You probably could get a good effect with minimum color/panel lines and deep clear coating...
Just a suggestion, shoot me later!! f~[/quote]
Title: Re: 10-25-06 (PHOTO'S) T-Bolt
Post by: elizio on October 27, 2006, 04:19:16 AM: Quote from: Robert Storick on October 26, 2006, 04:33:17 PM
It weighs 31 oz right as it is pictured here. Target weight is just under 60. It will be tough.

Beautiful model! Congratulations.
My P-47 Brazilian Senta a Pua, it's with 1.900 g, engine Saito 72 and fly very well.
Thanks

elizio - Brazil

e-mail: elizio@terra.com.br
Title: Re: Sneak peak at the new T-Bolt
Post by: elizio on October 27, 2006, 09:59:46 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on October 16, 2006, 07:00:39 PM
Here are a few shots of what I have been up to. The cowl on this one to two days. Jim Lynch gave me a guide at the last NATS on how and what they were looking for for the front row. Perfect fits and shape are in the cards for this bird. I was going to make a remote glow starter but it weighs 14 grams. Too much extra weight IMHO. But the fuel line is hidden in the cowl opening and the needle valve will not show either.Hidden mounting hardware. Its been a pain but I hope it will pay off.

Last shot is one of the Brazilians T-Bolts. I hope they used glue this year. At last years NATS I was almost hit with a flying engine on one occasion and on the other occasion I was almost his with a whole plane in the face.

With good glue. No filling.
elizio - Brazil
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 27, 2006, 10:03:13 PM: Lookin good!
Title: T-Bolt Photo
Post by: RC Storick on October 28, 2006, 09:13:25 PM: Not much to see but I am working on it.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Photo
Post by: Richard Grogan on October 28, 2006, 11:17:55 PM: Getting there and looking good Robert! Whats those "BOBOs" on the fuse under the veil? I didnt notice them on your previous post(s).... I like that"Chubby" look you've got this time!! n~
Title: Re: T-Bolt Photo
Post by: RC Storick on October 29, 2006, 06:17:43 AM: Quote from: Richard Grogan on October 28, 2006, 11:17:55 PM
Whats those "BOBOs" on the fuse under the veil?

Of what Bo-Boo's do you speak of? If you mean the light colored spots,those are high spots that are being exposed after block sanding. I go to Walgreen's drug store and buy fingernail files by the dozen. They are about 1.25 wide and 9 inch's long of different grits. I use the to block sand the round shape in the fuse. If I have a low spot I lay another piece of CF vial down with clear dope then sand to shape. I feel the that vial is lighter than filler. After I get all the woodwork straight and filled with clear I will ad one coat of Zinc Striate primer (sprayed on) to the airframe and sand it all off. One coat of base color and then trim and clear.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Photo
Post by: Bill Little on October 29, 2006, 08:00:03 AM: Hi Robert,

I see you're going to spray on a coat of ZS. What happened to the auto primer? Is the zinc sterate going to come out lighter or do you feel it fills better?

Thanks,
Bill <><
Title: Re: T-Bolt Photo
Post by: RC Storick on October 29, 2006, 08:07:16 AM: This is an experiment I will report the findings here. Randy Smith said ZS is the lightest filler so you know how I am about light. I am not afraid to try new things, light is where its at and I thought I would give it a try. I know what your thinking - but why on a plane that took so much work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Last time I check I wasn't crazy so Something new. **)
Title: Re: T-Bolt Photo
Post by: Bill Little on October 29, 2006, 08:32:21 AM: Quote from: Robert Storick on October 29, 2006, 08:07:16 AM
This is an experiment I will report the findings here. Randy Smith said ZS is the lightest filler so you know how I am about light. I am not afraid to try new things, light is where its at and I thought I would give it a try. I know what your thinking - but why on a plane that took so much work. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Last time I check I wasn't crazy so Something new. **)

Hi Sparky,

I have used Randy's ZS many many times. It IS light, sand without effort, and fills great. It isn't as "convienient" as the spray can primer, but it's like I told you about using an airbrush to paint the whole plane! Takes more time is all, but it WILL be lighter......

The plane will be gorgeous when you're done. y1

I'm trying to finish up all the other stuff in the shop so that I can get to work on that Razorback! All I got is a PA .61, but I will keep it light enough that the .61 will pull it fine. ;D

Bill <><
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: elizio on October 29, 2006, 02:26:50 PM: Robert:
I mind too, the security in fly, is primordial aspect for a good event.
Thanks

elizio - Brazil
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on October 29, 2006, 02:34:28 PM: Spanish:

¿_ yo ser no seguro qué usted ser trying decir? _ seguridad ser importante. _ usted construir muy agradable plano y yo significar nada hacia su capacidad. _ yo ser apenas stating uno hecho sobre aeroplano coming aparte en NATS. _

Portuguese:

Eu não sou certo o que você está tentando dizer? A segurança é importante. Você constrói planos muito agradáveis e eu não signifiquei nada para sua abilidade. Eu era justo indicando um fato sobre os aviões que vêm distante no NATS.

English:

I am not sure what you are trying to say? Safety is important. You build very nice planes and I meant nothing toward your ability's. I was just stating a fact about airplanes coming apart at the NATS.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: elizio on October 29, 2006, 03:24:46 PM: Dear Robert:

It's OK!
I know about P-51 brazilian acidents in Muncie. I'm sure, will not occure in 2.007.
You is a exemplar craftmanship.
Your portuguese is fine!
Thanks for your observations.

elizio

Agora em português:
Eu sei sobre aqueles acidentes em Muncie. Estou certo que não ocorrerá mais em 2.007.
Você é um grande e exemplar construtor de modelos.
Seu português é excelente!
Obrigado por suas observações.

elizio
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: Richard Grogan on October 29, 2006, 04:22:47 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on October 29, 2006, 02:34:28 PM
Spanish:

¿_ yo ser no seguro qué usted ser trying decir? _ seguridad ser importante. _ usted construir muy agradable plano y yo significar nada hacia su capacidad. _ yo ser apenas stating uno hecho sobre aeroplano coming aparte en NATS. _

Portuguese:

Eu não sou certo o que você está tentando dizer? A segurança é importante. Você constrói planos muito agradáveis e eu não signifiquei nada para sua abilidade. Eu era justo indicando um fato sobre os aviões que vêm distante no NATS.

English:

I am not sure what you are trying to say? Safety is important. You build very nice planes and I meant nothing toward your ability's. I was just stating a fact about airplanes coming apart at the NATS.

Sparky,
Now your a man of MANY words !!I didn't know you had it in you!! I'm impressed!! **)
Title: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 01, 2006, 06:53:07 PM: Here are a few shots of the progress. I am sanding more on this plane than the first two. I used ZS on the wings followed by my trusty auto primer,
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 02, 2006, 10:32:22 AM: What's ZS?
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: Wynn Robins on November 02, 2006, 01:56:23 PM: zinc sterate
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 02, 2006, 02:04:38 PM: Uh, OK.....what's zinc sterate? Some type of primer? ;D
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: Tom Dugan on November 02, 2006, 02:16:29 PM: I thought zinc sterate was a metal primer. Ive seen it used on auto parts and on aircraft to hold down corrosion.

EDIT...*** had some brain lock...I'm thinking of zinc chromate.

What are the properties of zinc sterate and what does it do for balsa?

Thomas
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 02, 2006, 02:30:17 PM: Its like talcum powder
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RandySmith on November 02, 2006, 08:30:29 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on November 02, 2006, 10:32:22 AM
What's ZS?

He is actually using AERO-1 filler powder, which is more than ZS powder, although that is the main ingredient

Randy Smith
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 03, 2006, 08:01:56 AM: OK guys, I've never heard of this stuff. Do you mix it in with your clear or what's the deal? How do you use it, how does it work?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: jfv on November 03, 2006, 09:31:57 AM: I've been following your build threads for a while and like your relatively simple and light finishing process. I just ordered some ZS as I wanted to give it a try and was wondering if you spray it on or brush it on over the polyspan. Also, what grit do you use for sanding the primer off the polyspan?

Thanks
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 03, 2006, 12:45:30 PM: Quote from: jfv on November 03, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
I've been following your build threads for a while and like your relatively simple and light finishing process. I just ordered some ZS as I wanted to give it a try and was wondering if you spray it on or brush it on over the polyspan. Also, what grit do you use for sanding the primer off the polyspan?

Thanks

Mix like the instructions say. Then thin 50/50 and spray. I use 320 then 400 before color.
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 03, 2006, 08:31:19 PM: these 2 photos are where I am at now. First coat of silver Gray is on the fuse. Tomorrow I will attach the canopy and finish painting the whole model.
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on November 04, 2006, 09:55:43 AM: Robert,

Congratulations on having a cockpit, complete with a pilot!
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 04, 2006, 10:44:57 AM: One that was in a hurry to get in the air and shoot down a German. SH^
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: Crist Rigotti on November 04, 2006, 11:41:11 AM: Who painted your pilot Bob?
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 04, 2006, 11:42:28 AM: I did.
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: Crist Rigotti on November 04, 2006, 12:20:46 PM: Nice job. :)
Title: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 05, 2006, 01:49:58 PM: In the pictures below you will see I did not paint the flaps. Well they warped so I need to make a new set. Progress is slow. Its turning out better than the last one and thats all that counts.
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: Greg L Bahrman on November 05, 2006, 02:28:55 PM: Excellent, As usual I like it!!
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 05, 2006, 02:42:11 PM: Looks like a big plastic model with wooden flaps!
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: proparc on November 05, 2006, 03:07:11 PM: Robert,
This is really phenomenal work. What I like, is that you are focusing on one plane and really getting it down. This is what guitar players do. It's called "wood shedding".
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: Bill Little on November 05, 2006, 10:30:04 PM: Sparky, my man!

That one is much more "Scale" looking than before for some reason. Everything looks great so far.

I have decoded that mine will be a turtle deck and painted up as the "Little Chief". It has a large profile of an Indian Chief in full head dress on the cowl with red nose ring and rudder, O/D over gray.

BTW: any progress on my shells? **)

Keep it up!

Bill <><
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 05, 2006, 10:47:52 PM: Quote from: Bill Little on November 05, 2006, 10:30:04 PM
Sparky, my man!

That one is much more "Scale" looking than before for some reason. Everything looks great so far.

I have decoded that mine will be a turtle deck and painted up as the "Little Chief". It has a large profile of an Indian Chief in full head dress on the cowl with red nose ring and rudder, O/D over gray.

BTW: any progress on my shells? **)
Keep it up!

Bill <><

Progress will start when the ship leaves Ecuador some time at the end of the month.
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: Bill Little on November 05, 2006, 10:48:42 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on November 05, 2006, 10:47:52 PM
Progress will start when the ship leaves Ecuador some time at the end of the month.

**) **) **) **) **) **) **)

Thanks!
Bill <><
Title: A Little color (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 06, 2006, 10:14:45 AM: Just a little color so far. Check back later for more.
Title: Re: A Little color (Photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 06, 2006, 01:45:27 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on November 06, 2006, 10:14:45 AM
Just a little color so far. Check back later for more.
Whats gonna happen on the cowl, black and white checkerboard? Iknow, wait and see... ~~>
Title: Re: A Little color (Photo)
Post by: Bill Little on November 06, 2006, 05:19:56 PM: It's really starting to look slick!

Bill <><
Title: More added (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 06, 2006, 07:42:49 PM: bump SH^
Title: Re: A Little color (Photo)
Post by: Leester on November 06, 2006, 08:13:31 PM: Sparky: You said you didn't paint the flaps because of a warp and were going to cut new ones. Is it less hassle to cut new ones than to try to get the warp out ? or is getting a warp out impossible because they are covered ?
Title: Re: A Little color (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 06, 2006, 08:15:58 PM: The wood has some power in it (a hard spot) After looking at them I will finish them with covering and dope and see how it takes a set. If still warped I will steam them. If all else fails I will make a new set. Better now than later.
Title: Lightning Bolt (Photo)Up-date
Post by: RC Storick on November 07, 2006, 09:53:22 PM: Progress is slow as I am trying to get it right. The emblems are on and I am getting ready to spray the lightning bolt on the side. The bolt will have a 1/16 black out line around it. Checkerboard on the nose underneath the bolt. Silver gray LE. Red stripes rudder and elevator. Checkerboard tips.

I am going to do twice the detail as the number 2 bolt. So it will take me all winter I think to complete this plane.
Title: Re: More tape (Photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 07, 2006, 09:59:47 PM: Thats what front row points are for, THIS!! Excellent scheme you dream !! n~
Title: Re: More tape (Photo)
Post by: Airacobra on November 08, 2006, 07:37:02 AM: Robert, so far it looks really nice and I like the scheme. Looking forward to the progress shots.
Title: Re: More tape (Photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 08, 2006, 08:02:51 AM: Sparky,

I don't recognize these markings, Is this scheme an actual copy of a wartime P-47 scheme? BTW, Invasion stripes on the bottom would be cool too.

Lookin' good! y1
Title: Re: More tape (Photo)
Post by: Bill Little on November 08, 2006, 04:20:29 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on November 08, 2006, 08:02:51 AM
Sparky,

I don't recognize these markings, Is this scheme an actual copy of a wartime P-47 scheme? BTW, Invasion stripes on the bottom would be cool to.

Lookin' good! y1

DUDE!!!!!!!!! It's GOT to have invasion stripes (late war) on the bottom of the wings!!!!!!!!!!!! The visual will be great when she pulls up into the wingover and other maneuvers!
Title: Re: More tape (Photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 08, 2006, 04:38:42 PM: That's what we be sayin' man! x: ;D j1 8) #^ y1 ~>
Title: Update (Photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 08, 2006, 05:20:38 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on November 08, 2006, 08:02:51 AM
Sparky,

I don't recognize these markings, Is this scheme an actual copy of a wartime P-47 scheme? BTW, Invasion stripes on the bottom would be cool too.

Lookin' good! y1

It is not a real paint scheme. It is however a combination of many paint scheme I have seen. Invasion stripes on the bottom "Yes" just like my T-Bolt #2
Title: Checker board applied (Photo)Up-date
Post by: RC Storick on November 09, 2006, 07:19:22 PM: A little more progress.
Title: Re: Lightning Bolt (Photo)Up-date
Post by: Airacobra on November 09, 2006, 07:26:39 PM: Looks great Robert, but you better get on those flaps!
Title: Re: Lightning Bolt (Photo)Up-date
Post by: Crist Rigotti on November 09, 2006, 09:18:24 PM: Looks good Bob. BTW, who painted your pilot?
Title: Re: Lightning Bolt (Photo)Up-date
Post by: Bill Little on November 09, 2006, 11:11:16 PM: Quote from: Crist Rigotti on November 09, 2006, 09:18:24 PM
Looks good Bob. BTW, who painted your pilot?

"BTW, who painted your pilot?"

OUCH!!!!!!!!

**) **) **) **) f~
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: elizio on November 10, 2006, 03:50:45 PM: Robert:
It's beautiful! Congratulations!
What is the engine power? Pipe use?
My model with Saito 72 is excelent, I'm passioned by 4T.
Thanks.

elizio - Brazil

Please, my error in english, tell me the correct form.
Title: Re: Top,Bottom,cockpit (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 10, 2006, 04:33:00 PM: Quote from: elizio on November 10, 2006, 03:50:45 PM
Robert:
It's beautiful! Congratulations!
What is the engine power? Pipe use?
My model with Saito 72 is excelent, I'm passioned by 4T.
Thanks.

elizio - Brazil

Please, my error in english, tell me the correct form.

Your english is fine! Power is a PA.75 RS pipe.
Title: Tonights progress (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 10, 2006, 08:31:53 PM: All line on this plane have been painted on so far. On this plane I will do all the painting first and ink in the end. If you followed along on the other ones I Inked first and painted as I went.
Title: Re: Tonights progress (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Crist Rigotti on November 10, 2006, 09:18:24 PM: Looks nice Bob. I'm gluing my wing together tonight.
Title: Re: Tonights progress (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 10, 2006, 09:48:39 PM: looking really good RC
Title: Re: Tonights progress (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Bill Little on November 11, 2006, 10:42:20 AM: Gonna be BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tonights progress (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Warren Wagner on November 11, 2006, 05:03:34 PM: Bob,

This one looks terrific, as all of them do.

How do you mask/paint the narrow black pinstipe?

TIA

Warren Wagner
Title: Re: Tonights progress (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 11, 2006, 05:14:26 PM: Everything you see in these picture is painted on. I will soon go to the Ink Pen. For panel lines and rivets.
Title: new (up-date photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 12, 2006, 11:53:35 AM: On this plane I decided to paint all the important lines instead of using INK. While INK is faster I think the painted line will yield a more professional look You tell me.

I ordered the stencils from Tank's Hangar to make it more realistic. Still everything so far is painted on and not inked. The ink will be the last step. On the last ones I used decals instead of painting the general aircraft nomenclature.

Here's a P-47 Govt. Training link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6497955441338098345 it is 25 min long and starts out with the typical WW2 Woman promotion. Really an interesting film.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Still painting (photo)
Post by: Tom Perry on November 12, 2006, 12:23:53 PM: Gorgeous! y1
Title: Re: T-Bolt Still (up-date photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 13, 2006, 03:58:23 PM: Man this piddling around with the paint job is driving me crazy! I have spent the last week 8 -10 hrs a day working on just paint and it is not even close to being done yet. I know I have all winter but this is ridiculous. Coming out close but still not perfect (damn close) but who's counting.
Title: Re: Painting progress (Photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 13, 2006, 05:03:36 PM: I am posting this picture here because of the condensed version of this thread. I will be doing a complete finishing section on the TIPS section of Stunt Hangar from the main page. Stay tuned.

(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2613.0;id=2922;image)

All the techniques I use can be used easily on any airplane. Just try to remember that there is no easy finish. It's all elbow grease and desire!
Title: Re: T-Bolt Still (up-date photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 13, 2006, 07:43:35 PM: Yep. Thats the one. Why dont you hang the skirts on those skinny LG wires for a profile preview shot?? Easier to visualize the final vision... guess we're as excited as you are!

n~
Title: Re: T-Bolt Still (up-date photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 14, 2006, 09:18:59 AM: Hmm, I've never seen green walkways on wings before. ;)
Title: Re: T-Bolt Still (up-date photo)
Post by: test name on November 14, 2006, 09:52:52 AM: WHAT COLOR WOULD IT HAVE TO BE IF THE PLANE WERE GREEN?

ITS CALLED ARTISTIC LICENSE.
Title: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 14, 2006, 04:46:41 PM: I was asked how I get the nice clean lines around the fillet area. I use to Ink them by making a template but I have found I can tape them off nicely. If you don't like how it looks just re-tape as desired. So the method of choice on the model is tape. I will go to the pen soon.

Every line you see here has been painted on. The ink will come last.

When I was at the 04 worlds and I looked at Billy's plane, the only thing I said to him about his plane was that it was the nicest ink job I had ever seen. I now know how he did it. Too Kewl!!!
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 14, 2006, 05:24:26 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on November 14, 2006, 04:46:41 PM
I was asked how I get the nice clean lines around the fillet area. I use to Ink them by making a template but I have found I can tape them off nicely. If you don't like how it looks just re-tape as desired. So the method of choice on the model is tape. I will go to the pen soon.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How do you get the 2 pieces of tape spaced evenly for the line to look right throughout? ??? ???
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 14, 2006, 05:59:02 PM: If you notice in this picture they are not yet perfect. But I have adjusted them until they are. I use my micrometer eye to do so.
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 14, 2006, 06:18:45 PM: I like to call it "Eyeball Engineering", I consistently practice this method. ;) ;) ;)

Sparky,
I take it your using the small detail airbrush for the lines?
Title: Re: T-Bolt Still (up-date photo)
Post by: wwwarbird on November 14, 2006, 06:21:21 PM: Just a little poke there Sparky, couldn't resist. BTW-We could use a clown icon here.

P.S. Black or Dark Grey. ;)
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 14, 2006, 06:46:59 PM: Quote from: wwwarbird on November 14, 2006, 06:18:45 PM
I like to call it "Eyeball Engineering", I consistently practice this method. ;) ;) ;)

Sparky,
I take it your using the small detail airbrush for the lines?

Airbrush....
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: bill marvel on November 14, 2006, 07:56:24 PM: That is wonderful, Bob! Absolutely wonderful!!! What a beautiful job. It is fun to watch!

Thanks for sharing your talent.

regards,
bill marvel
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: Crist Rigotti on November 14, 2006, 09:29:18 PM: Bob,
Looking good. Man, you go to all that trouble painting lines and such, I have to ask, "Who painted your pilot"?
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 14, 2006, 09:42:18 PM: Quote from: Crist Rigotti on November 14, 2006, 09:29:18 PM
Bob, "Who painted your pilot"?

What pilot? I don't need no stinking pilot! ~~>
Title: Re: How I do it (photo's)
Post by: Crist Rigotti on November 14, 2006, 09:47:29 PM: LOL! <=
Title: T-Bolt more (up-date photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 15, 2006, 04:55:35 PM: Latest shot. What alot of work!
Title: Todays (PHOTO'S) 11-16-06
Post by: RC Storick on November 16, 2006, 04:32:43 PM: Just 3 more pictures. Progress is still slow. I still need to paint the flaps and I am waiting on stencils from Tank's Hangar. More checks on ele and rudder along with the invasion stripes on the bottom and red trim on the tail. But its a winner!
Title: Re: todays shots 11-16-06
Post by: minnesotamodeler on November 16, 2006, 06:23:04 PM: Robert, you are simply an artist. It's disgusting...no single person should have so much talent. Just look at those rivet heads.

--Ray
Title: Re: todays shots 11-16-06
Post by: RC Storick on November 16, 2006, 06:35:05 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on November 16, 2006, 06:23:04 PM
Robert, you are simply an artist. It's disgusting...no single person should have so much talent. Just look at those rivet heads.

--Ray

Thanks Ray. I need to tell all of you it does take some artistic talent but the thing that helps me most is" USE THE RIGHT TOOLS". Anyone can do anything if you follow the directions to the letter. Trust me on this!!

Being a good mechanic is not remembering the specs on every thing you work on but know how to use the resources available to you. One of the many things my dad taught me. Thats the biggest reason I started the forum. Pass it on!
Title: Re: Todays (PHOTO'S) 11-16-06
Post by: Bill Little on November 16, 2006, 10:06:47 PM: I really, really like the extra "Scale" details you have incorporated into this one!

Where did you get a stencil to do the rivets?
Title: Re: Todays (PHOTO'S) 11-16-06
Post by: Vincent Corwell on November 17, 2006, 03:12:07 AM: BEAUTIFUL WORK

SEND ME YOUR HANDS PLEASE !!!

VINCENT
Title: Re: Todays (PHOTO'S) 11-16-06
Post by: RC Storick on November 17, 2006, 07:35:31 AM: Quote from: Bill Little on November 16, 2006, 10:06:47 PM
I really, really like the extra "Scale" details you have incorporated into this one!

Where did you get a stencil to do the rivets?

Top flight RC scale stencil. $13.00
Title: Re: Todays (PHOTO'S) 11-16-06
Post by: George Waters on November 17, 2006, 09:49:40 AM: Sparky. That is a really nice job, and it's one of my favorite planes. George
Title: Tanks Hangar stencils (photo's)
Post by: RC Storick on November 17, 2006, 03:51:20 PM: I received my Tanks Hangar stencils today. I just had to try them. They are so cool! I would recomend them to anyone doing scale detail.

(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2693.0;id=3013;image)
Title: check this out
Post by: RC Storick on November 17, 2006, 05:30:52 PM: Look in building section for more to come.
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2693.0;id=3013;image)
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: frank carlisle on November 17, 2006, 05:40:17 PM: that's paint isn't it?-------
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: Paul Taylor on November 17, 2006, 05:52:21 PM: WOW !!!!!

What next real bolts???? :!
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: RC Storick on November 17, 2006, 06:00:19 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on November 17, 2006, 05:40:17 PM
that's paint isn't it?-------

Yes its painted on.
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: Jim Oliver on November 17, 2006, 06:14:56 PM: Sparky,
That is just too much---you gotta stop! You don't give the rest of us a chance!

Jim
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: RC Storick on November 17, 2006, 07:18:44 PM: Quote from: Jim Oliver on November 17, 2006, 06:14:56 PM
Sparky,
That is just too much---you gotta stop! You don't give the rest of us a chance!
Jim

Much much more to come!

Tanks Hangar info:

http://www.tanks-hangar.com

e-mail ktank@tanks-hangar.com

Phone 817-759-1740
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: Keith Spriggs on November 17, 2006, 09:49:12 PM: If Rembrandt would have built model airplanes I bet it would have looked just like that. You are not seriously considering flying that are you.
Title: Re: Tanks Hangar stencils (photo's)
Post by: Keith Spriggs on November 17, 2006, 10:54:32 PM: Bob, That pilot looks a little apprehensive. Has he flown one of your planes before? Maybe you need to give him a little drink before the test flight to calm him down.

Oh yes -----fantastic details. Hope I get the opportunity to take some pictures of it next summer.
Title: Re: todays shots 11-16-06
Post by: Keith Spriggs on November 17, 2006, 11:06:58 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on November 16, 2006, 06:35:05 PM

Being a good mechanic is not remembering the specs on every thing you work on but know how to use the resources available to you.

Great advice, Bob. That applies to not only model airplane or mechanic work but to every endeavor in life. Anybody that ever excels at anything has to use that method.
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: Bill Hodges on November 18, 2006, 07:25:52 AM: Looks like a twenty pointer to me.

Bill Hodges
Title: Re: check this out
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 18, 2006, 12:22:19 PM: Its not real; its only just a dream........ ~^
Title: Up-Dated 11-20-06 (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 18, 2006, 01:59:54 PM: You are probibly tired of seeing these but here is another shot of where I am at now.
<---------------SLOW---------------> f~
Title: Re: 11-18-06 (PHOTO)
Post by: Bill Gruby on November 18, 2006, 03:41:09 PM: Robert;

I for one, will never get tired of seeing the pictures.

It's been said before but that is one "OUTSTANDING PIECE OF WORK". Watching that airplane progress has been a real incentive.

Bill Gruby y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1
Title: Re: 11-18-06 (PHOTO)
Post by: Monty Summach on November 18, 2006, 06:10:42 PM: I'm not tired of it either. Watching ths model come alive as the details go on is really cool. Beautiful workmanship.
Regards,
Title: Re: 11-18-06 (PHOTO)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 18, 2006, 08:18:17 PM: Looking right Robert! Where are you at on the weight at this point?
Title: Up-dated 11:00 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 18, 2006, 09:42:47 PM: About the same as the others.
Title: Re: Upadted 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Shultzie on November 18, 2006, 10:14:37 PM: Great Jug! Sure to fly as good as it looks...and love your photos...keep-um commin.... :-*
Title: Re: Upadted 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Keith Spriggs on November 18, 2006, 10:23:48 PM: Not tired of seeing the pictures, but I am getting more jealous.
Title: Re: Upadted 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 18, 2006, 10:38:23 PM: Quote from: Keith on November 18, 2006, 10:23:48 PM
Not tired of seeing the pictures, but I am getting more jealous.

I'm with Keith on this one! HB~>

I think I now have the incentive and motivation to pay closer attention to detail on my next
finishing job! :!

Thanks Robert!!!
Title: Re: Upadted 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Keith Spriggs on November 18, 2006, 10:58:19 PM: Quote from: Richard Grogan on November 18, 2006, 10:38:23 PM

I think I now have the incentive and motivation to pay closer attention to detail on my next
finishing job! :!

Thanks Robert!!!

Now that does sound nicer than jealous. Thanks for inspiring all of us, Robert, but I am still -----------no forget that.
Title: Re: Upadted 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: rob biddle on November 19, 2006, 04:28:07 AM: Hi Robert,

Have you used a reference of some sort as to the location of your panel lines etc or are you just making it up as you are going along?

Either way it certainly looks outstanding! Wish it were mine! ;D ;D ;D ;

Cheers, Rob.
Title: Re:Up-Dated 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 19, 2006, 08:28:50 AM: I am using a plastic scale model and printed material to reference the panel lines and nomenclature, but because its not quite to scale some of the lines have to be moved. But it is a close to scale as I can make it.
Title: Re: Up-Dated 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: frank carlisle on November 19, 2006, 09:28:12 AM: I think I'm going to throw in the towel and give up modeling. It used to be I thought I had a chance of matching and even surpassing what the other fellows could do. Now looking at Sparky's plane I feel that I've been livimg in a fantasy world. I'm just not good enough. I think I'll try my hand at fingerpainting. GOODBYE ALL............................................
Title: Re: Up-Dated 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 19, 2006, 09:51:05 AM: Back in the late 60tys and early 70tys everything was a secrete. How to prep wood,how to cover ,paint etc.. I do not post theses picture to discourage anyone! I post them to inspire people. The drive and motivation that I have has been installed by people Like Billy Werwage, Al Rabe, Tom Warden ,Bob Hunt and a host of other modelers.

I watch every tape and read ever how to article I can get my hands on. Some are good some are bad. I just have learned how to sift out the ones that will work for me. While a keen eye and steady hands helps in building models it is not necessary to get the joy and pride out of constructing a working model. Giving birth to a creation that is an expression of your true self. Never settle for second best. If you strive for perfection (while unachievable) will yield a outstanding model.

I just try to copy what others have done and follow their guide lines. This has been easer than trying to re-invent the wheel. All the math and calculations in the world will not help you if you don't have and inner drive for success.
Title: Re: 11-19-06 (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 19, 2006, 01:37:04 PM: I had to take it out side to see what the colors were going to look like. I think I will be more than pleased when the clear is applied. Here is 3 shots.
Title: Re: Up-Dated 11-19-06 (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on November 19, 2006, 02:16:04 PM: Robert.

Are you going to have detailed gear struts also?
Title: Re: Up-Dated 11-19-06 (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 19, 2006, 02:34:21 PM: Yes and No. I have re-made my gear doors to look more scale but I am not going to do anything with the wire. Got to draw the line somewhere HB~>.
Title: Re: Up-Dated 11-19-06 (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Windwalker on November 19, 2006, 09:35:04 PM: Beautiful indeed.. My other hobby is Amateur Radio. The man who introduced me to that was Glenn Haines. He passed away a few years ago and I still miss him. He flew a P-47C "Razorback" over the skies of Europe during WWII.. He knew Robert Johnson, also a P-47C pilot. Robert was the leading American ace of WWII (28 confirmed kills) when he returned from the European Theater in 1944.

Some WWII Flyboys will argue that the P-47 was the best fighter plane built for the war effort. It's detractors considered it too overweight. It was heavily armed with four .50 cal machine guns that could launch 13 lbs. of lead every second at it's target. Using it's 2000 plus hp Pratt & Whitney Radial engine, it could lug 2000 lbs. of bombs into the air. It's extremely high kill ratio was impressive. You picked a good one, Robert...

If you'd like to hear some interesting stories about the Razorback, contact me. I spent hours with Glenn listening to his "warstories"..

Nick aka
Windwalker

[EDIT] I left out 3 inportant words in this post. I should have said "It was heavily armed with four .50 cal machine guns IN EACH WING"
Title: a few more 11-19-06 (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 19, 2006, 09:46:29 PM: Some more detail.
Title: Re: Up-Dated 10:30 PM (PHOTO'S)
Post by: Keith Spriggs on November 19, 2006, 11:06:14 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on November 19, 2006, 09:51:05 AM
. If you strive for perfection (while unachievable) will yield a outstanding model.

Well said Bob.
My personal motto is "PERFECT IS BARELY GOOD ENOUGH"

Have I ever done anything perfect? NO
Will I ever do anything perfect? NO
Will I ever quit trying? NO
Title: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: RC Storick on November 21, 2006, 05:09:23 PM: Here is the kind of detail thats on my new plane. I hope you like it.
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Wynn Robins on November 21, 2006, 05:22:10 PM: DANG!!!! now THAT is cool
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: frank carlisle on November 21, 2006, 05:22:55 PM: i bet you have a fortune tied up in stencils!! How much?
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: RC Storick on November 21, 2006, 05:24:28 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on November 21, 2006, 05:22:55 PM
i bet you have a fortune tied up in stencils!! How much?

$90.00 total cost for the stick on stencils
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: frank carlisle on November 21, 2006, 05:30:14 PM: not so expensive at all.
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Dwayne on November 21, 2006, 06:34:31 PM: I remember not to long ago if I had to spend 90 bucks on a whole model let alone stencils I'd freak! But seeing the results I must say Sparky that's money well spent! Looks awesome!
Dwayne
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Phil Coopy on November 21, 2006, 07:08:26 PM: Impressive Sparks, shuld make front row...

Phil
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Shultzie on November 21, 2006, 08:46:48 PM: Quote from: Robert Storick on November 21, 2006, 05:09:23 PM
Here is the kind of detail thats on my new plane. I hope you like it.
Great shots...Bob, you really nailed the looks on this model

Attached is a photo of Ted Delo who taught me so much about professional model making.
Funny thing is...I thought I knew so much about building models...until after the first day of working with Ted at the Boeing Wind tunnel model shop.
Ted was the first model maker that I was assigned to work with on our my first flutter model.
He was a celebrated WW2 ACE and shared so many great stories with all of us wind-tunnel rats.
Gads----he would have loved your beautiful JUG!
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Bill Gruby on November 22, 2006, 12:15:54 AM: DANG----------Are you really going to fly that baby. With it looking that good I'd be afraid to take it outside???????

Why does the word "PRISTINE" come to mind.

Bill Gruby
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Clancy Arnold on November 22, 2006, 02:00:51 PM: Robert
I am in Jack Sheeks basement and am showing him the photos of your new P-47.
Jack says that it sould get put in the front row. He says to now buff it out good.

Will try to get Jack signed up for stunt hangar.
Clancy
Title: Re: Seven New PHOTO'S
Post by: Bill Little on November 22, 2006, 04:30:28 PM: Quote from: Clancy Arnold on November 22, 2006, 02:00:51 PM
Robert
I am in Jack Sheeks basement and am showing him the photos of your new P-47.
Jack says that it sould get put in the front row. He says to now buff it out good.

Will try to get Jack signed up for stunt hangar.
Clancy

Hi Clancy,

You definitely have to get Jack signed up!!!!!!!!!

Also, tell him I have started on that certain "Bernie Ash" model I spoke to him about! ;D

Bill Little <><
Title: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 22, 2006, 10:18:46 PM: I have been watching too many movies on how to build. I just finished watching Al Rabe's BBQ Bear Cat movie and here is what has come of it.
Title: Re: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 22, 2006, 10:26:50 PM: Looks real!
Title: Re: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: ebonbetta on November 22, 2006, 11:11:40 PM: Thats incredible. You made the flap invisable. And made the inside of the wheelwell look fantastic to boot.
but if you make the rest of the stealty like the flap judges will hae a hard time seeing your square corners.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Everybody!!!
Title: Re: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: john e. holliday on November 23, 2006, 08:29:21 AM: Sparky, it looks great. Maybe I will bring my P-39 down and let you build/finish it. Just kidding, remembered the BOM thing. Later, DOC Holliday
Title: Re: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 23, 2006, 11:05:53 AM: Quote from: ebonbetta on November 22, 2006, 11:11:40 PM
Thats incredible. You made the flap invisable. And made the inside of the wheelwell look fantastic to boot.
but if you make the rest of the stealty like the flap judges will hae a hard time seeing your square corners.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Everybody!!!
He needs to figure out how to make the LG stealth when he takes off!! HB~> ~>
Title: Re: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: Bill Little on November 23, 2006, 12:54:49 PM: Well, good Buddy, you just blew your "I'm not going to detail the LG wire" all to pieces!! y1

You know you have to put a knee action and some other bits on that old 1/8th wire now, or they'll kick it to the back of the gym when they see the rest!!!!!!!!

**) **)

You got me to where I don't know if I want to build my P-47 anytime soon, now! j1 j1 :## :##

Looks more than great....
Title: I have lost my mind! (photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 23, 2006, 02:45:29 PM: I have spent all day and I have the inboard bottom almost done. This airplane might go to clear Monday.
Title: Re: What I am doing this evening. (photo)
Post by: Phillip Bailey on November 23, 2006, 08:07:49 PM: I've only seen A few who could build that well but none who could think of doing it so quickly. I want to see this one in person. I'll Look for this one out front.
Title: Re: A little farther. (photo)
Post by: RC Storick on November 25, 2006, 06:07:40 PM: I will be going to clear Monday.
Title: Five more stripes to paint. (PHOTO'S)
Post by: RC Storick on November 25, 2006, 11:40:00 PM: I have the wheel doors and five stripes left and then to clear on Monday. We have an Indian summer going here right now and I need to take advantage of it! It won't be 70 degrees again till spring.
Title: Re: Five more stripes to paint. (PHOTO'S)
Post by: frank carlisle on November 26, 2006, 09:07:25 AM: HOLY COW!!
Title: Re: Five more stripes to paint. (PHOTO'S)
Post by: minnesotamodeler on November 26, 2006, 12:31:48 PM: No kidding. I am agog.
Title: Re: T-Bolt Details condensed (photo's)
Post by: frank carlisle on February 10, 2007, 03:30:42 PM: Sparky,
I just cruised through this thread from post # 1. I didn't do too much reading. Mostly I looked at the pictures. And I learned a couple things along the way that I will use on my own projects.
You've set the bar mighty high with this airplane man! I haven't seen what all the other stunt guys will be bringing to the circle this next season but they're going to need to bring some serious swag if they want to top this model. The way I see it, your plane will be on the front row and best of show everywhere you take it.
You've done something here with this paint and detail that all the rest of us will probably only aspire to.
I'm inspired. Now that I've seen your work I'm going to try on each model to make it better than the last.