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Offline jim gilmore

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shark 402 build questions?
« on: February 12, 2009, 04:26:38 PM »
Ok, I got my kit but I'm a tad confused. I was thinking that when building this wing the wing would need to be pinned to something to keep it straight. How do you guys that build on glass keep stuff from moving around ?
I have both super type glue, and ambroid but wondering if there is any other glues I need to have before I leave town.
 

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Re: shark 402 build questions?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 06:34:07 PM »

Jim,
This isn't about keeping the wing straight, but it's another aspect of the Shark 402 worth considering early in the build.  The controls on mine are extremely sensitive.  Even with a 2 oz shaft weight on the Brodak .25, and about 25 degrees up and 25 down elevator deflection, it takes a narrower handle spacing than I like to hold it steady in level flight.  If there is a next one (which there may be, because it flies great, turns tight without stalling, and looks terrific), I would build the nose about an inch longer, move the hinge line back about an inch (more stabilizer, less elevator, same overall horizontal tail area), and use a 4" bellcrank to allow a wider handle spacing for more positive control feel without excessive control sensitivity.  Aside from that, the S-402 is a real sleeper among medium-size flapless stunters worthy of more attention that it has received, IMHO.

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Offline Mark Scarborough

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Re: shark 402 build questions?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 07:27:49 PM »
FWIW this is a Pat Johnston design, He is a great guy and would most likely answer any questions you may have gladly!
you can reach him at patsplans   at   yahoo dot com
Tell him Mark sent ya.
 Jessica and I are building a pair of them as soon as I get my bench cleared off from the Avenger project. we have all the parts cut,,, or I should say she does,, and One wing is framed.
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Re: shark 402 build questions?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 01:51:58 PM »
This design was meant to compete with any other 400 inch design.  The airfoil and very large Tail Volume Coefficient (TVC) are a key factor in the overall effectiveness.  I would assert that there are a lot of people who get into the thinking that a handle has to have a certain spacing and the plane needs to be "adjusted" to fit the handle.  Conversely, I say, adjust the handle till the feel is good.  DO NOT let your preconceived notions about handle spacing get in the way of having a great flying experience.  I have flown planes with 2" spacing and others using a 4" spacing.  I usually end up with about a 3" spacing, but that is just how it works out most of the time.  We have flown the Shark 402 and about the only consideration is to lengthen the nose if not able to get good light wood for the tail parts.  Also, when using a OS FP/LA 25, the stock factory muffler can be used to adjust the CG, or a lighter tongue muffler can be used if the CG needs to be shifted back some.
BTW, this airfoil is the same I used on my Corsair and that flies very well.  Similar TVC on both planes.
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Re: shark 402 build questions?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 08:37:11 PM »
What I was really wondering was, if I should use some size balsa strip alone some point of the wing to hold the ribs in position or maybe block the slotted spar in a vertical position. But for the people building on glass do you tack glue stuff/angles or such to the glass top to hold it In position ?

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Re: shark 402 build questions?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 12:00:40 AM »
Jim

I used a few little blocks glued to the glass with PVA carpenters glue to locate the spar and a levelling bar to support the TE of the ribs. I pin the parts to the spar and the levelling bar when it is necessary. I pull the LE into the birdsmouths on the ribs with a 1/2" aluminium angle, some rubber bands and popsickle sticks behind the spar. It's really quite simple.

When finished, you just remove the blocks and the bar with a scraper and start the next project.

If the ribs have supports under them, just glue them to the glass, cut the ribs off the supports when ready and remove the supports with the scraper.

Cheers, Geoff


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