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Online Mike Quinn

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Brodak Cardinal - logo font - build
« on: October 02, 2024, 01:17:56 AM »
Hi

Anyone know what the font is for the Brodak Cardinal decals.  I bought a second hand kit in the UK and the transfers/decals were missing.  Can probably recreate easy enough in Inkscape but was hoping to avoid the faff.

Looking to recreate with my Cricut vinyl cutter.

Cheers

Mike
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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2024, 05:57:19 PM »
If I could figure out how to down size my pics I have the stickers or decals from a kit.

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2024, 08:41:49 AM »
Hi Peter

Yeah, I was just being lazy.  I’ve just about finished tracing off the plan in AutoCAD along with the root and tip ribs for laser cutting.  One of the advantages of being stuck on Zoom calls and working from home  ;)

Its not just the decals I need, its all the ribs.  There’s a picture on here somewhere of the end result of using the kit ribs.  Didn’t go well for the wing lets say.

Cheers anyway.

Mike

Ps lol, yeah, I’ve cut a million ribs in the past but hoping to get a new toy soon.  If the wife doesn’t use her Jeddi mind tricks to convince me I don’t need new toys.

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2024, 10:06:18 AM »
If I could figure out how to down size my pics I have the stickers or decals from a kit.
Try this.

https://imageresizer.com/bulk-resize

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2024, 01:53:57 PM »
If you reach out to John Miller, he can probably help you with that graphic for the Brodak Cardinal.  I believe he did the original CAD work on it.
Laser-cut, "Ted Fancher Precision-Pro" Hard Point Handle Kits are available again.  PM for info.
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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2024, 04:46:51 PM »
I have actual decal. I can scan it for you full size. Let me know if this helps and I'll send it your way.
Email me : djsaydak at outlook .com
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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2024, 05:59:18 PM »
I'm curious, what was wrong with the kit-built wing?

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2024, 06:18:41 PM »
I wasn't thinking properly in my first reply. I will never use the decals, so if you want I can send them to you via snail mail. Send me your postal address and I'd be happy to do that.
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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2024, 12:00:37 AM »
Hi

@JohnM … I’m sure theres nothing wrong with the kit wing per se.  Its just when I built mine, it started taking on the shape of a propeller for some reason.  Now I’ve built many wings for Freeflight, RC and some CL (but not that many).  I must have screwed up somewhere despite ensuring I had nice ‘sliding’ fits for spars etc.  i even substituted the spare for straighter stock.

Anyhow, rather than try and fix it and come out with a bent wing further down the line decided to put the question beyond doubt 😀.

Thats when I started looking at a better solution for wing jigs for symmetrical sections.
I’ve come up with a one based on Tugs jig and 3D printed jigging pieces that works for me.
I’ve just knocked out a SIG Chipmunk wing and a Pizzaz wing and am in the process of building a couple of Cardinal wings.

Long way round to reply that theres nothing wrong with the Cardinal wing per se 😀

I’m building 4 models over the winter as I’m still learning CL stunt and have wiped out the ‘hand me down’ models I’ve been using.  The more I practice the more the ground gets in the way.  I want to have enough models so i don’t have breaks enforced by having to build new ones.

@DennisS … thanks for the offer.  I live in the now 3rd world country that is the UK so I doubt I’d get them if you posted them from the house across the street and if you did it would probably cost a small fortune.  Thanks for the offer though 😀.  I’ve sorted the problem by tracing the pdf’s in AutoCad so can cut out on my Cricut.

Cheers

Mike

PS Reply#22 on this thread kind of explains it all.  And no, i didn’t try building it on he kitchen table 😂

https://stunthanger.com/smf/building-techniques/wing-jig-60812/msg634984/#msg634984



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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2024, 10:31:33 AM »
Thanks for your explanation, it makes sense to me now. A good jig solves a lot of problems, and it sounds like your new one is doing the work for you now. Brodak makes available most any of the parts needed or desired to scratch build one of their designs. They will sell you plans, laser cut rib-sets, decals, and many other pieces that might be desired or needed. Knowing now that you live in the UK, I can understand some of your dilemma. (Shipping and all). Let me know if I can be of some help.

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2024, 03:38:27 PM »
Hi

Well I’ve knocked out a replacement Carinal wing for the one that never was.  Slight variation from the original kit one.  Modified the supplied bellcrank to be a suspended one.  Couple of points based on recommendations I’ve seen on Stunthanger re Cardianls.

I substituted the 1/4” LE for 3/8”  and not overlapped the LE sheeting, to allow me to make the LE slightly blunter.

I think I’m wrapping my lines too much.  They interfere with the ribs.  Is that normal.  I guess not.  Whats the usual recommended length for binding the leadouts with wire?

I might be making the suspended bellcrank compression spars a bit too chunky.  Do you think I could get away with just the ‘hatched’ area?

I will take 3/4” off the chord of the flaps.

Which hole in the supplied bellcrank woukd you guys recommend.  I’m sure I saw recommendations to use inner hole but might have been middle one.

I’ll convert to carbon pushrods and balllinks.

Any other recommendations like increasing flap elevator hinge line distance, increasing span of tailplane, making a 3/8” built up tail plane?

My flying skill level is no where near being abke to tell the difference any of the above make but if there are recommendations worth making then happy to hear them 😀

Wing weighs 170g right now with no tips, weight box, adj leadouts.

Mike







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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2024, 10:10:43 AM »
I substituted the 1/4” LE for 3/8”  and not overlapped the LE sheeting, to allow me to make the LE slightly blunter.

Should be fine. Just make sure you don't use punk balsa here. And, if using silkspan to cover the wing, overlapping the leading edge a little will help strengthen that LE.

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I think I’m wrapping my lines too much.  They interfere with the ribs.  Is that normal.  I guess not.  What's the usual recommended length for binding the leadouts with wire?

They look fine to me. It's common for them to interfere a little with the ribs, so just trim out some clearance from the ribs and you should be fine. When I bind my leadouts, I treat the bound length just like with flying lines - follow the rule book and you should be fine (typically ~3/4").

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I might be making the suspended bellcrank compression spars a bit too chunky.  Do you think I could get away with just the ‘hatched’ area?

You may be able to get away with the hatched area, but I'm a bit of a fan of spreading the load out as much as possible. Think snowshoes in soft powder. Spreading the load puts less stress on the individual ribs. One thing you can certainly try is to pull test it before sheeting, see how it does. Some top to bottom diagonal bracing on the inboard side would help, as well - again, helps spread the load. Most important thing here is to make sure it is glued to the spars - they take the stress instead of the ribs, and transfer the load to the sheeting, which spreads it to the rest of the wing.

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Which hole in the supplied bellcrank would you guys recommend.  I’m sure I saw recommendations to use inner hole but might have been middle one.

I believe that's what I would use. When in doubt, for a fairly modern design, just follow the plans and you'll do well.

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Any other recommendations like increasing flap elevator hinge line distance, increasing span of tailplane, making a 3/8” built up tail plane?

Personally, I would simply leave it as-is. Lots and lots of Brodak Cardinals have been built exactly according to the plans and have flown beautifully. Stunt politics aside, Windy definitely knew what he was doing.


Overall, it looks very well done. Just remember what Sparky says - if it isn't connected to something else or doing a specific job, it's just along for the ride and should be eliminated to help save weight. At this stage, however, that weight should be fine. Trim where you can, but do NOT sacrifice structural integrity.

Steve

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2024, 02:47:37 PM »
Hi Steve

Thanks for the feedback.  On with the tips.  Thats a Sunday I’ll never get back.  Still some tweaking to do before gluing on.

More tips to do after this one.  I’ve got another two sets of wings on the go in order to build up my fleet 😀

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font - build
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2024, 04:16:27 PM »
Hi

Working on Wing Tips today.

3 x sets done for three different wings.

3x weight boxes next then onto flaps and pushrods.

Mike

PS what would the typical weight of a Cardinal with OS 46 LA come out at?

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font - build
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2024, 04:29:25 AM »
Hi

Any opinions on the nose length for the Cardinal with an OS46 and regular silencer.  I saw on one of Windys videas the ARF was designed around a roughly 8oz motor and light muffler.  The OS46LA and muffler come in around 11.75oz.  What with this being a second hand kit the manual was missing so no idea if any details were in there.

As it is the LE to spinner backplate distance would be approx 8 3/4”.  Any recommendations for the motor above or just go with it?

Mike

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Re: Brodak Cardinal - logo font - build
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2024, 12:12:27 AM »
Hi

Bit more progress.  Figure if the nose is too long once i get it together I’ll just saw it off 😀.  Tip weight boxes added to the wings I’m working on at minute.  Look a bit big but actually just fit a 2pence coin which are 7g (1/4 oz) each.

« Last Edit: November 10, 2024, 02:53:58 AM by Mike Quinn »

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