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Building Tips and technical articles. => Building techniques => Topic started by: Damian Paten on August 24, 2014, 01:09:26 AM
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Well, for the past couple of months I have been scratch building a Gieseke nobler.
I didn't start a build thread due to the fact I haven't built a plane for almost 20 yrs and I didn't want to start something that may get scrapped and I didn't want you lot laughing at me along the way.
Now, when I say "built" I mean actually tracing and cutting your own parts out. I have "assembled" plenty of ARF's for my RC adventures but I love building, well I did years ago so I thought I would have another crack at it and as it turns out, I still love it!
I decided on the nobler because I used to fly one when I was a young fella back in 1989. I had a soft spot for the nobler so I wanted to build another.
I tracked some plans down through UHP and set about ordering them and getting under way. I did a few things different from the plan but all in all it looks as though it has come together quiet easily.
I am at the stage now where I have everything assembled and covered completely in tissue. I am currently in the process of applying dope and sanding it back to obtain that smooth finish.
This wouldn't have happened without the help of my friend Noel Corney. He was my idol so to speak back when I was a young fella and I built and bought a few of his models. He is a wealth of knowledge. I found him through this site believe it or not and contacted him just to say hello, since then I haven't stopped hassling him for his advise and his building techniques and parts and engines and spinners and........ Thanks Noel.
Anyway here's a few pics. I have wheel covers and landing gear covers to go then off to Noels for some primer and paint. Again, thanks Noel. H^^
Engine is an OS 46LA.
Weight is, well I have no idea yet.
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For not building anything in 20 years, your Nobler looks pretty good from what i can see from the pictures. Mayby it wont be another 20yrs until your next build! Anyway, glad your back building again.....Gene
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It's looking very good!
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Looks real nice so far, must be a foam wing?
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Hey, I do a build thread and they laugh at me. The Nobler looks very good.
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Thanks gentlemen.
I'm pretty chuffed with it at the moment. My next CL build will be a Sig magnum. I will do a build thread on that one.
Negative on the foam wing.
I covered it completly in balsa mainly for the finish it gives.
I've compensated for the extra weight by forming the fuse top and bottom.
It has solid elevators with a formed tailplane and rudder. Hopefully not much added weight to the original at all although all the balsa I have picked has been solid. I'm not a fan of the softer, lighter pieces for finished surfaces.
We'll see. It should still fly well even if it is on the heavier side due to the os 46 up front, I hope.
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So Damian, how far did you get on the Nobler? I'd love to see pictures of the completed plane. Please post pictures if you have them.
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Hey Damian, that Nobler looks great. If you've been on here long you will see a few build posts. Yes, there are those that will laugh at some of the things we do and how it should have been done. My experience was using a material to fuel proof the tank and engine compartment(not needed with electric power). Seems I didn't let the stuff cure long enough. So needless to say when I got ready to remove the engine so I could finish the plane I discovered it was kind of glued in. Thought I was going to have to cut the nose off and start again. But a few word and some prying finally got it out.
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So Damian, how far did you get on the Nobler? I'd love to see pictures of the completed plane. Please post pictures if you have them.
Hi George.
The nobler has sat on the "to be competed" shelf since those bare bones pics were taken.
It was only last week that I decided to get it out and look at painting. I didn't notice that you had posted in this thread but I recon you must have somehow sent a subconscious thought to me which led me back into the shed with my sights set on finishing her.
This is a "throw together" build due to being out of building for a while. It is like falling off a bike and it isn't. The general cutting out skills are still there but my finishing techniques have deteriorated some what. I learnt a lot though and this should reflect on my next model.
Fillers were a big one for me. I tried a few and if they're dope resistant they're heavy then light weight fillers turn to mush when dope is applied. This was happening when covering the whole plane in tissue. I didn't bother to remove the tissue and the filler so I do have a few spots that have loose tissue over them. Not many but they are there.
I have gone back to the old faithful filler of dope and talcum powder. Can't beat it and it smells nice when you sand it.
I found the local hardware store stocks rustoleum so I grabbed a few cans and started to lay down some coats. I'm going for the "BEAR" scheme......sort of.
A nice even light coat of white to start.
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz26/junkstar1/Resized%202.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz26/junkstar1/Resized.jpg)
I will start today on the masking up for the red coat.
Hey Damian, that Nobler looks great. If you've been on here long you will see a few build posts. Yes, there are those that will laugh at some of the things we do and how it should have been done. My experience was using a material to fuel proof the tank and engine compartment(not needed with electric power). Seems I didn't let the stuff cure long enough. So needless to say when I got ready to remove the engine so I could finish the plane I discovered it was kind of glued in. Thought I was going to have to cut the nose off and start again. But a few word and some prying finally got it out.
Very lucky john.
I went with some fibreglass resin I had laying around. It's a light coat but it should hold back the glo fuel. My engine also stuck to the bearers on a test fit. The resign remained tacky for about 3 days.
It is on the heavy side but I don't care. I'm not busting out world champion maneuvers.
We weighed it at 48 ounces fitted up with everything. Paint will add a couple more.
Will keep the updated pics coming for those interested.
Edit.....I have had an offer from my good friend Noel Corney to paint my plane but finding the time to get over to his house between family, work and sleep is hard so I had a crack myself.
I do plan on getting some painting equipment but the cans will do for now.
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It is looking better. Remember Rustoleum takes a couple of weeks for cure before flying. I also waited several days before doing trim work.
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Also remember that the Rustoleum finish will be very heavy. I'm thinking the two ounce weight increase calculation is being very conservative.
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Also remember that the Rustoleum finish will be very heavy. I'm thinking the two ounce weight increase calculation is being very conservative.
Yes I think your right.
O'well no matter how heavy it is I'll still love it.
I've remembered a lot and learned a lot along the way. To be honest it didn't take very long to build. Was just a long time in between coats.
I masked up and splashed the red on today.
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz26/junkstar1/Resized%203.jpg)
Bled through in a few places. The worst one is on the rh elevator but they're easy fixes.
Also had a run on the inner wing tip.
I'll let it cure for a couple of days before I do anything.
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz26/junkstar1/Resized%204.jpg)
All in a days play. H^^