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Offline roger

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auto pistriping
« on: January 21, 2007, 07:44:57 AM »
is autopinstriping a good combo with monocoat? if so holding it down on an oily wing or fuse.could be a problum .also what dose rabbe use for all his lines?
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 08:04:40 AM »
I used auto striping on an Akromaster that I covered with monokote, and it wasn't satisfactory.  The striping just wouldn't stay stuck like the striping tape by Great Planes, etc.  Maybe I did something wrong, but the surface was dry and clean.  I won't use the auto stuff again, unless someone knows a certain trick for using it.  Glen
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Re: auto stripping
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 08:58:18 AM »
I am just finishing up Viper 8 painted fuse and MonoKote wings. I tried the auto pin-stripping on it and you are right it does not stick. I will find a solution and let everyone know what I used.

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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 09:35:53 AM »
Auto pinstriping works for me. Of course, surface must be clean. I hit it with denatured alcohol. I've used it at the wing/fuse joint, stuck to the monokoted wing. Some of the stuff has lasted for years. Didn't expect that. Also used it on tail surfaces, any place away from direct exhaust flow. The pinstriping was done on the top of the wing, the exhaust of my tongue mufflers angles down and away from that surface. The glue takes a bight after a few hours or days, stuck, hard to get the suckers up after that. On sport planes or comp planes not trying for appearance points, any striping that lifts can be refreshed. But really this hasn't been much of an issue. At least when the striping is kept away from the exhaust blast and residue. Autostriping is thicker than the CG and Sig striping. Makes for a slight ridge. Not noticeable at any distance. Seems tougher. Directions say to not stretch when applying. That makes a difference. When stretched as it is applied (I did that thinking it would smooth the stripe down) the glue didn't adhere. 

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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 02:08:21 PM »
Come to think of it, stretching may have been my problem.  It's really tempting to do it; I read the instructions, but; of course, didn't follow them.  May try it again someday.........Glen
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 07:28:11 PM »
thanks a bunch...

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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 07:11:15 AM »
In my opinion, there is only one product that I'll use for pinstriping ... 3M Scotchcal. The face material is calendered vinyl and the adhesive system is a solvent based acrylic. This particular adhesive system has good initial tack and high ultimate peel values plus great chemical resistance to incidental contact of the fuel and exhaust residue. Most of the discount store products are water based adhesive systems which have two major weak points. First the small amounts of plasticizer in the vinyl face migrates into the adhesive causing it to soften and reduces the ultimate peel value and second most are not very resistant to oils and solvents. 

Because of the nature of vinyl, care must be taken not to stretch the pinstriping when installing. The wet method of using water or windex to float the pinstriping into place during application will work on the 3M product too.

I have an RC plane that I built in 1974 which still has the 3M pinstriping firmly attached... I also sold my company (a pressure sensitive adhesive product manufacturing company) to 3M in 2002 so I think I'm qualified to answer this one.
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 07:49:18 AM »
Dick, the 3M Scotchcal sounds good.  Is it available in auto parts stores (NAPA, etc.)?  I assume it comes in different colors, widths, etc.; is that right?  Thanks.     Glen
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 08:48:21 AM »
Glen... here you are. More info than you could ever want  <=


http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/auto_marine_aero/automotive_aftermarket/node_GS8G5J9L9Vbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_GSLPLPKL4Xge/gvel_PKD7VS0CHGgl/theme_us_aad_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html

Note the solvent resistance of their product. Available at most automotive paint/auto body supply stores.
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 12:04:00 PM »
Very informative; thanks much, Dick!!  Glen
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2007, 11:45:50 PM »
monokote and auto pinstriping from auto zone(cheep stuff-sticks good) on chipmonk
cleaned with epoxy thinner
did strech it around corners
put in suburban in hot sun for a day
sealed edges in center section with minwax oil based urethane with a fine brush
holding up good so far!knock on my wooden head!

except for cowel/canopy there is no paint on this airplane
i think the cowel paint came from auto zone to?it was a spray can(baked in suburban with direct sun light 2 days)
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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 01:55:01 PM »
Hi All,

   A little hint  with Auto Pinstriping , hit it with a little heat from your Monokote gun and re press it(stick it )

and you would be surprised how well it sticks! 

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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2007, 08:35:50 AM »
Try Topflight's pinstripe cutting tool and make them from Monokote or similar covering. Any width and color you want.  Cut down to 1/16" and even make panel lines.  They really make a monokote finish stand out. 

Bruce

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Re: auto pistriping
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2007, 10:46:13 AM »
Bruce
I like that idea(monokote trim)
the thing i didnt like about the auto pin stripe is the thickness of it .on chord wise stripes thick shouldnt hurt and might help straighten flow?
 the chipmonk is the first airplane pin striped span wise that i have done since a cap 21 r/c that had the worst stall and low speed flying habits that i have ever flown--it was also heavy.
the chipmonk(with spanwise stripes-auto)flies fantastic and might be the best flying c/l i have ever buit.
turns tight-flies slow and on rails--glide wont quit and floats forever.
wonder if stripe is triping boundry layer?

anyone have thoughts on this?

David
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