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Offline Peter Nevai

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Next best thing to light weight
« on: April 23, 2007, 08:16:30 PM »
So you got this kit and it does not have the lightest wood, you don't feel like spending a month at the store going through their entire stock to find lighter wood. Or you do not feel like cutting out all those parts all over again and doing the kit manufacturers job for them. Or heck you are just plain lazy (like me) here is a obvious thing to do with the heavy stuff.

Weigh all the parts and devide it into two piles. One pile for inboard parts and the other heavier parts as the outboard parts (including fuse sides, maple motor mounts, the whole shebang.

As just about every plane ends up needing some tip weight, might as well put the heavy wood on that side to at least reduce the amount you will need.
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Re: Next best thing to light weight
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2007, 10:32:09 AM »
this is a useful technique, esp. for wing wood.  It still ain't optimum.  I went through a pile of run of the mill 1/16 in wood the other day.  Pieces weighed from 11  gr. to 33 gr., or from 6 lb. to 18 lb/cuft density.  The sheets also varied from a few beautiful pieces of A and C grain.  About 10% of the wood was really nice grained, 6 lb. sheet.  You can just imagine what using 33 gr. sheets is going to do to the weight of your new stunter.  Just one is all you need in the outboard wing to get an ounce of tipweight!  The worst thing is that the basic airframe can go from say 28 oz for a big stunter to over 50 oz., just from wood selection alone, just from  picking 10-12 lb. RC wood versus going through and selecting out the light, stiff, high quality wood.  While a few ounces of excess weight aren't a big thing, I don't think anyone will argue that an extra 20 oz. on a proven design is a good thing.

Don't throw away the heavier wood though, as long as it has decent grain.  Wood is just as strong as it is dense.  So the trick is to redesign the structure and change things to remove the excess wood.  One example, fuse sides.  If they are heavy, make some judicious cutouts, especially behind the CG back to the tail.  Strong, hard wood is never a real problem up around the engine, but it doesn't take much behind the CG to support the tail.  Maybe even go so far as to strip the wood into strips and build up the rear end like a stick and tissue plane.  A stick and tissue frame with a lot of diagonal  cross bracing can be as stiff and strong as a sheet structure.  It can look prett darn good too.  You see a lot of this with the ARF planes.  The laser cutter allows the designer to use cheap light ply instead of balsa and cut away the excess down to fractions of a millimeter.
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Re: Next best thing to light weight
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 06:38:46 PM »
Love the way you said "RC wood" Phil. I recently ordered ( I won't say from who) $150 worth of wood (I had a coupon) and ended up giving some of it to the local school art department. It would have taken my 48 ounce plane and made it weigh 56 ounces. But thats a good idea Peter even good wood varies.

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Re: Next best thing to light weight
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 11:50:43 AM »
I have a vague understanding that strength of balsa varies directly with density.  So one might use a 1/4 x 1/4 spar out of 6 lb wood, or a 1/4 x 1/8 spar out of 12 lb wood and have equal weight and strength.  What do you think?

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Re: Next best thing to light weight
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 12:59:23 PM »
Not sure it's quite that directly proportional, but yes, the basic principle is sound.
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Re: Next best thing to light weight
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2007, 08:20:51 PM »
In a pinch I have weight cedar and found it to be close to Hard Balsa so used it for leading edges
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Re: Next best thing to light weight
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2007, 08:13:32 AM »
1/32" thick Basswood sheet can sometimes be used in place of 1/16" or 3/32" balsa sheet.  Might give a slightly better finish too. 

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