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Title: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on June 15, 2011, 11:29:37 AM
Thought I had better move this over here.   Finally got a couple of day on the P-47 and the ISW.  Yesterday was spent sanding the P-47 wing and then two coats of clear dope.  Light sanding today and the weight as it is in the pic is an even 12 ounces.  Want to get it to a certain point before I put the flaps on.  The flaps are sanded and ready for dope.  

Spent this morning working on the ISW as well as the sanding of the P-47 wing.    Have exterior shape on the blocks and ready  to pop loose and hollow.  The turtle deck was fun sanding.  Weight of the ISW in the pic is 13.2 ounces.  Also a pic of my mess up.   H^^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Leester on June 15, 2011, 06:55:48 PM
The ISW is looking good Doc. I think I'll wait till this building season to do mine, not so many distractions. What engine you going with on the ISW ?? I've got a Forster 29 planned for mine.
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on June 16, 2011, 09:24:38 AM
My ole trusty Fox .35 Stunt.   H^^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on June 28, 2011, 07:51:15 PM
What with the trips to Arizona and then retreiving kids, pluss taking them to Church Camp I managed to get some work done on the planes.  Put several more coats of dope on every thing before covering.  Poly-span is on the P-47 wing, flaps and tail surfaces.  No hinges in the weight calculations yet.  With four coats of dope after shrinking the covering, weight is 12.8 ounces.  Flaps with poly-span and four more coats of dope, 1.8 ounces.   Stab/elevator is 2.6 ounces.  Had to take a known weight and check the postals scales as it didn't look right.

The ISW wing, stab and elevator are covered with Poly-ester material from the sewing store.   Weight as it is in the picture is 15 ounces even.  Have cut out for the pilot and hollowed the forward blocks.  Need to make fuel tank and cut nose block to clear the old Fox.  More later.   H^^

As you can see the demented poodle likes it so far.  She is getting used to the dope fumes.  jeh
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Pat Johnston on June 29, 2011, 06:42:50 AM
Doc!
I love the shot of the "demented poodle".  I'm just a dog sort of a person, anyway.
It looks like you got along with the trailing edge of the wing towards the outer 1/3 of the wing OK.  That makes it blend nicely with the whole shape and allows a nice thin tip.  The thinner tip, in the gospel according to Bob Hunt, helps fight turbulence better.  Your wing looks really good.  Can't wait for the rest.
Pat Johnston
Skunk Works
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on July 20, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
I am making some progress.  Have bottom of the P-47 planked and the pilot head in the ISW. H^^

Included pic of the fuel tank for the ISW. jeh
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: wwwarbird on July 20, 2011, 10:00:44 PM
 Looking great Doc! y1
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Peter Nevai on July 21, 2011, 03:03:57 PM
OK, now I know I'm a slob. I could never in my best days build a model and not get glue smears and fingerprints all over the balsa and plywood pieces. Looking at your airframe I would believe it is held together by magic! Or I can blame the laser cutting soot and save face........NOT!
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: minnesotamodeler on July 21, 2011, 06:06:14 PM
Thought I had better move this over here.   Finally got a couple of day on the P-47 and the ISW.  Yesterday was spent sanding the P-47 wing and then two coats of clear dope.  Light sanding today and the weight as it is in the pic is an even 12 ounces.  Want to get it to a certain point before I put the flaps on.  The flaps are sanded and ready for dope.  

Spent this morning working on the ISW as well as the sanding of the P-47 wing.    Have exterior shape on the blocks and ready  to pop loose and hollow.  The turtle deck was fun sanding.  Weight of the ISW in the pic is 13.2 ounces.  Also a pic of my mess up.   H^^

Hmmm, hinged without a connector/horn?  Such happens.   I've been known to plank a wing center section without a bellcrank in it...
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on July 27, 2011, 08:33:34 AM
Finally got the top and bottom planked.   Trusty balsa stripper makes good work out of 1/8 sheet.   Yes 1/8 instead of 3/32.  Hopefully no weak spots when done sanding.   Weight as it sits in the pictures is an even 2 pounds.   H^^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Dan Bregar on July 27, 2011, 06:35:22 PM
Doc

Is that polyspan covering ?  Looks good, especially the tips. What's your secret ?

Dan Bregar
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on July 28, 2011, 08:08:24 AM
Yes that is poly-span.   The secret is patience and a razor blade.   Also a good dope base to start.   H^^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: BrianW517 on July 31, 2011, 11:17:41 PM
  H^^  #^   This plane looks great! y1  ::) Is this scratch built or a kit?  ???  ;D If it's a kit, what manufacturer?   n~  :!  If it's scratch built, Great build!  8)  ;)  H^^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Neville Legg on August 01, 2011, 01:08:11 AM
Looks good Doc, is that a lot of side thrust I can see? :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on August 01, 2011, 09:41:54 AM
That is per the drawings/plans.  With the engine plates it can be changed. 
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Pat Johnston on August 01, 2011, 12:28:40 PM
BrianW517,
This is my design for a 40 - 51 power.  The LA46 will be just about perfect, but nothing wrong at all with an ST51.
Drop me a line and I'll send you the PDF files so you can gander it.  I gave Doc the first laser cutting just because he is such a great person and he expressed interest in having a "C" model.  Not to mention that I like him a lot.  I also have the "D" version with the bubble canopy designed.
My E-mail is:       pjohnston at idahopower dot com.  I can also include my latest plans list.  Got the laser all warmed up and ready to burn parts if you need them.
Pat Johnston
Skunk Works
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Douglas Ames on October 22, 2011, 09:09:48 AM
Finally got the top and bottom planked.   Trusty balsa stripper makes good work out of 1/8 sheet.   Yes 1/8 instead of 3/32.  Hopefully no weak spots when done sanding.   Weight as it sits in the pictures is an even 2 pounds.   H^^

Very nice! I'm curious, why the planking instead of sheeting? Solely weight or is planking easier, faster?
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Avaiojet on October 22, 2011, 06:18:04 PM
I like your planking, I'm a planking kinda guy.

What is the span of this P-47?

Charles
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: minnesotamodeler on October 24, 2011, 03:20:51 PM
OK I'll bite:  What's the difference between planking and sheeting?

(Yah, I bet many of you wanted to ask too but were ashamed to show such ignorance...not me, I'm shameless)
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Douglas Ames on October 24, 2011, 03:36:49 PM
OK I'll bite:  What's the difference between planking and sheeting?

(Yah, I bet many of you wanted to ask too but were ashamed to show such ignorance...not me, I'm shameless)

Planking - like a ship's hull in narrow strips.
Sheeting - in std. wide balsa "sheets" that usually have to be molded.
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: minnesotamodeler on October 25, 2011, 04:01:57 PM
thanks so much, now I know.  "Planks" like boards; "sheets" like plywood sheets.  I get it.
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on November 16, 2011, 01:07:57 PM
Yes I am slow, still.   Have the blocks on the nose area and waiting for some detail sanding before filling/finishing. H^^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: wwwarbird on November 16, 2011, 09:03:09 PM
 Looking good Doc, keep us posted! y1
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Jim Kraft on November 17, 2011, 05:48:29 PM
Great job on both planes Doc. Both should be superb flyers. I will be looking for them on the contest trail.
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: john e. holliday on November 22, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
Well creating more dust and shavings.   The Ro-Jett looks little in the engine compartment. H^^

What looks like a rat on the floor, is the wife's tea cup chihuahua.   Vicious little critter when riled.  Only 4 months old.
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: Joe Gilbert on November 26, 2011, 07:45:31 PM
Looking good Doc. :) #^
Title: Re: Projects II
Post by: BillLee on November 27, 2011, 02:06:57 AM
Well creating more dust and shavings.   The Ro-Jett looks little in the engine compartment. H^^

What looks like a rat on the floor, is the wife's tea cup chihuahua.   Vicious little critter when riled.  Only 4 months old.

John, that really IS a rat! Take a look at this:

DNA Study Finds Chihuahuas Aren't Dogs (http://www.watleyreview.com/2004/052504-3.html)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D