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Offline Dennis Saydak

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Fiberglass Reinforcement
« on: November 01, 2014, 10:31:40 AM »
I want to reinforce the fuselage/wing joint of a profile stunt model with a 1" wide strip of fiberglass. How do you keep the cut edge of the fiberglass from fraying and coming apart during handling and epoxy application?
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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2014, 01:57:34 PM »
   I recall seeing on a video on how to use Hot Stuff glue, that when using thin CA to apply the glass cloth, they would lightly spray the cloth and the surface with a thin coat of spray adhesive. I think they used 3M77 or something similar. That may work if you are using epoxy or polyester resin. You might try cutting it out with a hot knife. Some soldering irons  have the same thread for the tip as the chuck for an Exacto knife. Just insert the knife, get it hot and slice out your cloth. Great Planes sells glass cloth in strips about a inch wide that may help. And like Ty mentions, even if it frays a little, it will sand off.
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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2014, 02:03:34 PM »
Adding on to Dan's comment...

In the building instructions for Bob Dodgson's sailplanes, he suggested a light coating of 3M77 onto wax paper, and then laying your lightweight glass down on that.  The wax paper serves as a 'carrier', simplifying handling/cutting of the glass cloth, and it could peeled off just prior to applying the glass to the surface.

Only caution is to be VERY LIGHT with the 3M77, so as not to impact the resin/glass cloth bond.

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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2014, 04:28:43 PM »
  Yeah, yeah, I remember that part now. That might have been in the Hot Stuff video also and I forgot it. Might be an important step for it to work well. Definitely makes light weight glass cloth easier to handle .
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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2014, 05:03:27 PM »
Dennis,

The easiest way I know of is to mix epoxy resin (30 minute) with "Milled" fiber (purchase at a surf shop) to a consistency of Vaseline and smear it on with your finger (or popsickle stick) to a smooth radius between the fuse and wing.

Clean up and feathering with rubbing alcohol.

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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2014, 07:31:39 PM »
Try spraying the glass cloth with some hair spray.  After it dries it's much easier to cut and handle the cloth without fraying.
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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2014, 09:18:04 AM »
Or you could use a fiberglass cutter.............looks like a pizza cutter and works very well!  y1

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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2014, 01:28:40 PM »
having a bit of experience in working fiberglass in commercial areas,,

with cloth,, cutting so that you are aligned with the tow is important,, then you strip the loose strands along the edge leaving only the perpendicular threads for 1/8 or 3/16" along the edge,, this prevents the strands from coming loose from the weave and making goobers( yep thats a technical term,, ll)
I used a rotary fabric cutter from the fabric store to cut the cloth,, but you need a matt under it, one of the self healing matts also sold at the fabric store,,
another idea I have used is to place the cloth between two layers of newspaper, then cut it with GOOD fabric scissors,, you still need to prep the edge,, the other advantage of stripping the edge strands is that it makes the transition from cloth to no cloth taper,, and its easier to hide the edge
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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2014, 02:59:08 PM »
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. I tried the hair spray option and it worked like a charm with no fraying. :)

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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2014, 05:12:11 PM »
I haven't tried this on fiberglass cloth, but it works with silk, Nylon, for attachment with epoxy.

And that is, use spray starch.  I spread the cut cloth on a paper towel and spray.  When dry, it is stiff enough to do final trim and then apply with epoxy.

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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 05:20:22 PM »
..., then cut it with GOOD fabric scissors,,

After which they will be BAD fabric scissors, or at least dull ones.  So if you're going to use your wife's, make sure she doesn't know about it.

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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2014, 05:48:48 PM »
There's no need to ruin your wife's scissors. I cut my sample pieces (shown above with an Olfa knife and straight edge.
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Re: Fiberglass Reinforcement
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2014, 09:33:50 AM »
Hey, I have this tool from the fabric store for sharpening scissors when they get dull.   It doesn't matter silk, nylon, poly-ester or even fibre glas they will get dull.
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