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Title: panel lines and rivets
Post by: John KruziK on December 28, 2007, 05:46:24 PM
how do you paint panel lines and rivets? is there a paint pen or a way to paint over marker that doesn't bleed? thanks John
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Randy Powell on December 29, 2007, 01:01:14 AM
Check out the the article by Dee Rice called Panel Lines 101. It was in Stunt News last year (hopefully someone will post the month). Dee did a great job on it. Some very slick ideas.
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Crist Rigotti on December 29, 2007, 09:08:04 AM
I use Staedtler pigment liner Sketch Pens.  They come 4 to a pack.  .1mm  .3mm  .5mm  .7mm  I have 1 set now for three years.  They "erase" with alcohol and I dust the new lines with clear dope with my airbrush to seal the lines.  They only cost me $10.

http://www.dickblick.com/zz207/57/
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Balsa Butcher on December 29, 2007, 12:22:42 PM
There's also some info on the subject at the PAMPA web site under "Frequently Asked Questions".
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: builditright on January 03, 2008, 01:53:08 AM
contact Windy, he has videos on doing inklines
Here's his contact page

http://www.windyurtnowski.com/contactus.htm
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Steve Helmick on January 06, 2008, 08:44:36 PM
Skip the rivets!  H^^ Steve
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Jim Oliver on January 07, 2008, 07:46:25 AM
Skip the rivets!  H^^ Steve

And most of the panel lines, too---or at least use lines that appear the same as the panel lines that show up on full size planes.  Most full size planes are painted and the panel lines are almost invisable when viewed from a very short distance.

Just a personal hang-up of mine!! VD~

Jim
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Bob Zambelli on January 08, 2008, 11:18:48 AM
I agree with Jim - I have seen some models that were so inundated with panel lines that were I doing appearance judging, I would have deducted points.

I built a little fun scale/stunt model of my personal full sized Piper aircraft. Once when I had it at the field, some bozo criticized it, saying that I should have panel lines on it.
I said "Why? The real plane doesn't have them."

I guess I share Jim's hangup!

Bob Z.
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Randy Powell on January 08, 2008, 12:50:15 PM
The one thing you have to look out for is surface quality. I've had the problem with my current plane that the ink beads up. Normally, this hasn't been a problem because I would shoot clear over the color coats then sand the clear to get it relatively flat. This gives decent traction to the pens and you can get some fairly decent panel lines. But the current plane has clear with some dry pearl in it so I couldn't sand it. This makes for a very tough surface to try to put inklines on.
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Randy Powell on January 09, 2008, 10:19:08 AM
ty,

It is true that panel lines are great camo for paint trim screwups or surface issues. I think if you are building a semi-scale or similar plane, the panel lines that you use should simulate the original aircraft. If you build a fantasy plane (as I have certainly done on occasion), the panel lines tend to be limited and fanciful. After all, you at least need a simulated coverplate over that nuclear reactor.
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: John KruziK on January 11, 2008, 08:23:54 AM
Randy nuclear reactor... have you been peaking?  Thanks John
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Randy Powell on January 11, 2008, 09:51:12 AM
John,

Just don't forget the radiation warnings.
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on January 12, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
We went through an era where panel lines and rivets were overdone to the point of making you ill.

Panel lines, where used, should be in good taste, and used only where they would show on a real airplane. For example: a 30's style fabric covered airplane, will have lines at the root fairings, or inspection panels, which in most cases are under the wing.

Rivets were a major problem. In the aerospace industry we even shave rivet heads to make them disappear in order to meet aerodynamic zone requirements. Personally, I have never seen an airplane with all the rivet heads painted black!

Use these items in moderation.
Title: Re: panel lines and rivets
Post by: Randy Ryan on January 12, 2008, 09:47:04 AM
We went thru an era where panel lines and rivets were overdone to the point of making you ill.

Panel lines, where used, should be in good taste, and used only where they would show on a real airplane. For example: a 30's style fabric covered airplane, will have lines at the root fairings, or inspection panels, which in most cases are under the wing.

Rivets were a major problem. In the aerospace industry we even shaves rivet heads to make them disappear on order to meet  aerodymamic zone requirements. Personally, I have never seen an airplane with all the rivet heads painted black!

Use these items in moderation.

I'm with you Tom, these features are so pronounced and overdone on many models they detract from the appearance. They are unrealistic and if I were to see a real aircraft that appeared as some of these do, I'd take a bus.