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Title: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Gordon Tarbell on December 11, 2006, 07:56:09 PM
when figuring how much to shorten nose for heavier engine. Would it be correct in comparing the two different set ups(long nose/light engine and shorter nose/heavier engine ) by converting both to ounce inches from design cg or do the stunt gurus just use SWAG (some wild --- guess). Plane in question, Strega, probably designed for a ST60 , thinking about a big block Saito 72.
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: RC Storick on December 11, 2006, 07:58:20 PM
Now this is just "me" I with that heavy of an engine I would shorten it as much as mechanically possible. But Randy Smith would have a better idea. Drop him a PM and ask.
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: proparc on December 11, 2006, 09:42:20 PM
How long is the nose on a Strega?
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Gordon Tarbell on December 11, 2006, 09:51:19 PM
Prop hub to LE 10 3/4" or 13 1/2 from indicated CG engine shown on plans is a 61lite RE Double star. Others are listed including Saito 56 and 72 . Just unsure wich way to fall off the pot.
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Leester on December 12, 2006, 03:06:45 AM
Just a thought, Why not ask Windy ?
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: peabody on December 12, 2006, 05:32:48 AM
I think that most that have used 4-strokes would opine that shortening the nose isn't necessary....for some reason (explained a couple of times, but still not understood here) they are drop-ins.
Windy's only purpose built was the Spit with the Saito .90...
I know that Zambelli has tried 4-strokes in many aeroplanes that previously housed 2 cycles and he hasn't modified the nose.
See Ya
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Jim Oliver on December 12, 2006, 07:00:07 AM
Weight(original) x Distance(original)=Weight(new)xDistance(new)

Works for me.


Jim
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: phil c on December 15, 2006, 03:47:22 PM
you should measure from the cg of the engine to the cg of the plane.  The engine cg on a single cylinder setup is more or less right in the corner where the shaft meets the cylinder.
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: wwwarbird on December 16, 2006, 05:11:12 PM
Interesting point Phil. But what difference to the models C.G. does the engine's C.G. make when the engine is fixed to the airplane anyway? Now my head hurts.  n~
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Jim Oliver on December 16, 2006, 06:20:53 PM
When doing the weight x distance calculations, the distance used is the distance between engine CG and the model CG.

Jim   
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: phil c on December 16, 2006, 07:19:32 PM
the differences come in where you might be retrofitting a 4 stroke with a fairly long shaft , or sticking a short shaftengine into a spot where you had a motor with a shaft extension.  If ou just pick a fixed point, like the edge of the backplate, the calculation could be off enough that you might as well just cut and try.  That is what I usually do anyway.  Good planes don't seem to be terribly critical of an ounce or so of nose weight, most of the time.
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Ralph Wenzel (d) on December 25, 2006, 02:03:10 AM
One additional consideration, especially when going from a 2-stroke (ST .60) to a Saito.72 is that the Saito will require a much smaller tank. Lighter tank, lower fuel load; maybe not quite as much shorter as engine-only calculations suggest. Just a thought . . .
Title: Re: Nose chop for heavier engine
Post by: Gordon Tarbell on December 25, 2006, 07:10:21 AM
What would be a good size tank to run this Saito 72 on ? I was going to stuff the largest clunk tank I could squeeze into it. Also I was planning on running the YS20-20 fuel mix. If I allow for  the higher nitro fuel and end up cutting back on % then I will still have enough capacity in tank.