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Title: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 17, 2015, 11:31:03 AM
So, I started a new project finally. It's sort of a kit bash except what I'm really doing is starting with a kit (nice RSM piece I've had around for years) and modifying the crap out of it. I'm sure Ted will have horrible things to say to me later.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: proparc on February 17, 2015, 02:34:49 PM
I am going to have horrible things to say if you don't post a pic. ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 17, 2015, 02:52:47 PM
Gimme a break, Milt. I just started it. I'll have some pics in a few days.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: proparc on February 17, 2015, 03:25:17 PM
Just joking, I know your not ready. That is why I put the smiley face.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Bill Little on February 17, 2015, 08:31:58 PM
So, Randy, are you going to build a triple tailed biplane Trivial pursuit with an open cockpit??
LL~ LL~ LL~

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on February 17, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
We need artists' sketches, here!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 18, 2015, 12:12:12 PM
It's sort of a Fancheration. Imitation wing, parts from other Ted mobiles along with some of my own stuff. I may call it Acceleration.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 18, 2015, 07:21:36 PM

 Hmm, this should be interesting. It may deserve an Ovation.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 19, 2015, 11:59:28 AM
I'm waiting for Pat Johnston to cut me some parts and also to figure out what I'm doing with the wing and tailplane. Have to think that over. Fuse is started - man what a hack. I'm using some fuse parts from a kit along with some cut from stock. Been awhile - I'm having fun!

Fanchination!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 19, 2015, 09:49:17 PM
Been awhile - I'm having fun!

 Yep, it's fun to just eyeball engineer and figger it out as you go. Pretty much my normal routine. ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 20, 2015, 11:04:18 AM
Wayne,

I'm thinking I'll call it Expropriation.

I think I've figured the rest of it out so will push forward. Probably pics in a couple of days.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on February 20, 2015, 11:31:59 AM
Randy,

I like "Acceleration."
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 20, 2015, 02:03:13 PM
Tom,

This will be about 50% Ted, 40% me and 10% Pat Johnston. Should be interesting, anyway. I feel I've sort of "expropriated" his design.   LL~
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Will Hinton on February 20, 2015, 02:13:12 PM
Randy,

I like "Acceleration."

How about "Imagination"?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 21, 2015, 10:21:41 PM
So, I've made some progress. Might make enough tomorrow to take pictures.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 23, 2015, 09:19:54 PM
So, we'll try again to post a pic.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 23, 2015, 09:54:25 PM

  Electric?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Allan Perret on February 24, 2015, 06:32:08 AM
Looks like you cut out a lot of the ply doubler between F1 and F2.  Have you ever done that on an IC build ?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 24, 2015, 09:17:45 AM
Yes, it will be electric. And yes, I cut out the doubler like that all the time. It's usually 1/64" ply but I used the 1/32" kit ply for this.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 24, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
Alliteration?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 24, 2015, 05:39:20 PM

 Looks like a way thick airfoil section. y1
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 25, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
Wayne,

I have some pieces to fill there. I'm using a different wing. Pat is laser cutting me ribs and a spar right now. It is a much different airfoil. I had to make some fill pieces that will go in once I get the wing built. Gotta love kit bashing.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 25, 2015, 07:20:44 PM
 It's funny, how an "easy" kit-bash usually turns into more work than just starting from scratch. I'm in the third year now of my Nobler-bash, awfully Scarboroughlike. :##
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 25, 2015, 07:38:47 PM
I want this done for the Regionals on Memorial Day. Wish I would have started sooner. No fancy paint jobs I'm thinking.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 25, 2015, 08:43:40 PM
No fancy paint jobs I'm thinking.

  LL~ LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 25, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
It's funny, how an "easy" kit-bash usually turns into more work than just starting from scratch. I'm in the third year now of my Nobler-bash, awfully Scarboroughlike. :##
HEY,, I could be offended by that reference,,
but then heck,, at least I have notoriety for something right?
sigh
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on February 26, 2015, 01:48:49 AM
No fancy paint jobs I'm thinking.

I need to check with my oil well drilling customers -- see if those deep downhole wells are suddenly cold instead of hot.  I think something just froze over.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: john e. holliday on February 26, 2015, 10:30:23 AM
I want this done for the Regionals on Memorial Day. Wish I would have started sooner. No fancy paint jobs I'm thinking.


That will be the day. LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 26, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
Hide and watch, boys. Actually, I'll probably steal one of Ted's early paint schemes (before he went all 6 colors and stuff).
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: john e. holliday on February 26, 2015, 07:43:49 PM
Wasn't it the great Jim Silhavy that used do one color planes except for graphics and win the paint award each year?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on February 26, 2015, 10:37:46 PM
HEY,, I could be offended by that reference,,
but then heck,, at least I have notoriety for something right?
sigh

 Just seeing if you're paying attention Mark. :##
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 27, 2015, 11:50:43 PM
Just seeing if you're paying attention Mark. :##

oh I am,, I certainly am,, anytime I see you posting on a thread I have to go make sure your not throwing daggers again,,  mw~

hey,, I DID get the 109 done,, flown,, and not crashed,, ,, eventually
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on February 28, 2015, 06:32:41 PM
Well, got the motor mount in but have to wait a bit to finish the nose. Bought the wrong collet adapter so I bought what I think is the right one and it's on the way. In the mean time, Pat's ribs came today and so I will start looking at framing up the wing tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 01, 2015, 08:35:37 PM
OK, it's coming along. Stab is built, got the ribs from the Fabulous Pat Johnston yesterday and got those set up. the fuse box is built. I might have it framed up eventually.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 01, 2015, 08:48:33 PM

 Sounds good, progress is progress. y1
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 02, 2015, 11:00:42 AM
Wayne,

I always find it funny. It seems you work on parts, sometimes very small ones. You keep doing that then, it seems, in a single day, you glue them all together and - Shazam!- there is a plane sitting there. I'm a ways from that yet.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 02, 2015, 05:06:59 PM
Wayne,

I always find it funny. It seems you work on parts, sometimes very small ones. You keep doing that then, it seems, in a single day, you glue them all together and - Shazam!- there is a plane sitting there. I'm a ways from that yet.

 Yep, and then you think, "hey, it's almost done", until you start the finish...
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 04, 2015, 01:52:25 PM
I just ordered a bunch of balsa from a new supplier. We'll see what we get. Should come soon. I hope anyway. I'm going to need some stuff for this plane.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 08, 2015, 06:41:23 PM
A bit more done---
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 10, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
I should note that the ribs shown are the ones that Pat Johnston laser cut for me. I'll start framing the wing in a couple of days
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 10, 2015, 05:51:33 PM


 What is the base design for this bash?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 11, 2015, 10:15:10 AM
Wayne,

An RSM Trivial Pursuit kit. More or less. Kinda.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on March 11, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
Wait just a minute!  Randy says "no fancy paint"??  Doesn't sound right. 

F.C.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 11, 2015, 01:17:55 PM
Floyd, I plan to use one of Ted's early paint schemes.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 11, 2015, 09:17:10 PM
Wayne,

An RSM Trivial Pursuit kit. More or less. Kinda.

 Got it.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 13, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
Hey Wayne, the wing jig is up and parts are going together. I wonder if I'm ever going to get the nose done. Sheesh!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 13, 2015, 10:30:36 PM

 Heh-heh, who's gonna get their current project in the air first, you or Scarborough?  S?P :##
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 15, 2015, 06:34:31 PM
Hey, not a fair question. Mark's is framed up.

Here are a couple of pictures. The fuse is pretty much done with a hatch in the front. The bottom block is molded but sitting apart until the fuse is on the wing. Stab is done and the elevators are underway. And I finally got the silly wing jig together and the leading and trailing edges built. No snotty remarks about the screw up on the fuse that I had to retro fit. Sheesh!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on March 15, 2015, 06:57:14 PM
I dunno Randy.  So far it all looks kind of -- normal.  Are you sure that it's really you building the plane?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Robby Hunt on March 15, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
Randy, are those Scarinzi lightning bolts behind the fuse? ;)
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 15, 2015, 09:16:02 PM
Randy, are those Scarinzi lightning bolts behind the fuse? ;)

  LL~ I had to look twice at that too.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 16, 2015, 09:56:50 AM
Tim,

Yes, normal. As I said, it will be very conventional. Just a stunt plane.

Remember, this started as an RSM kit. Due to laser cutters bed length, some piece had to be, well, pieced together. The fuse sides have those funky cuts to make them two piece. Fun stuff.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Bill Morell on March 16, 2015, 01:27:50 PM
Randy, what was wrong with the ribs that came with the kit?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 16, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
Bill,

I wanted a different airfoil. This is going to be electric and I felt like I didn't need the drag of the superfat Ted airfoil. Guess we'll see if I'm right. I had Pat cut me a thinner, more tapering airfoil for the ribs. Same length as the originals but with a somewhat more rearward high point and a bit more lengthwise taper. It's basically the same airfoil I used on my Hooligan design.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on March 16, 2015, 03:47:09 PM
Yes, normal. As I said, it will be very conventional. Just a stunt plane.

If you say you're not painting it with at least three different colors of glittery metallic then I'm sending one of the Seattle guys to your house for a health & welfare check.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 16, 2015, 04:24:15 PM
Red, white and blue, Tim. that's it. An early Ted scheme, probably. Depends. This is to be a functional unit. I don't much give a rip about appearance points with this one. It's all about the performance.

On the other hand, I might splurge a bit if the airframe comes up light enough. but not too much.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 16, 2015, 05:37:54 PM

On the other hand, I might splurge a bit if the airframe comes up light enough. but not too much.

 And it begins... :)
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 16, 2015, 10:36:21 PM
And it begins... :)
I will not comment,, I will not comment I will not,,,,,,,,,, HB~> LL~
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on March 17, 2015, 12:46:45 AM
Red, white and blue, Tim. that's it. An early Ted scheme, probably. Depends. This is to be a functional unit. I don't much give a rip about appearance points with this one. It's all about the performance.

Who are you, and what have you done with the Randy Powell we know and love?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 17, 2015, 09:22:41 AM
Randy has gone to the Bahamas. This is Randy's evil twin and this paint scheme will not be crazy. It will not.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 29, 2015, 08:08:35 PM
More progress. Machining a bellcrank took forever. And before someone asked, as the bellcrank sits there, it weighs about a 1/2oz.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on March 29, 2015, 09:14:11 PM

 Wow! :o  That's cool.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on March 29, 2015, 09:52:51 PM
Randy has gone to the Bahamas. This is Randy's evil twin and this paint scheme will not be crazy. It will not.
The bellcrank, on the other hand...
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 30, 2015, 12:10:51 PM
Yea, yea. So I like my OCD demons out to play for a minute. It's done now.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Allan Perret on March 30, 2015, 01:04:12 PM
That is one serious crank you got there, bullet proof to the Nth degree. 
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on March 30, 2015, 01:50:47 PM
Allan,

After having one break and destroy a really good flying plane, I want the thing strong enough to lift my car. This is the second one. The original bellcrank I was going to use would have cast the post into the bellcrank and used bearings at either end. Unfortunately, I messed up the mix on the epoxy or perhaps it's time to replace my epoxy. The thing never really got hard enough. So it went to the side and I machined up this one. Much more standard setup with a very large bearing surface. I'll try again on the one piece deal when I figure out what went wrong with original. I still that that will work really well.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 03, 2015, 07:37:34 PM
Didn't get a lot of chance to work on it this week but did get some work done last night and today.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on April 03, 2015, 11:28:07 PM

 Very nice Randy, too bad that high-zoot bellcrank will be covered up. ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 04, 2015, 01:11:51 PM
Not as high zoot as you think. Just a chunk of aluminium all hogged out. But it is solid and works. Hope to button up the wing today and get the fuse mounted.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 05, 2015, 12:04:34 AM
Well, I didn't make it. The wing IS almost done. Screwed up the elevators and had to start over. Joy.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on April 05, 2015, 12:27:49 AM
Well, I didn't make it. The wing IS almost done. Screwed up the elevators and had to start over. Joy.

 Just the way it goes with these things sometimes, one step forward, two back.

 After the latest hiatus on it I got my "almost-ready-for-paint" P-40 bash back out tonight and gave it a good looking over, making a mental "yet-to-do list". As it turns out, I've still got quite a bit of work to do before I dig out the paint.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 05, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
Wing's done. I'm trying a new assembly method and haven't figured it out yet.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on April 05, 2015, 10:33:05 PM
yeah,, its always something,,
I just sanded virtually all the carbon off the fuse and reapplied it on the new beast,, I guess 8 months ago I didnt do as good a job blocking out the fuse as I thought I had,, sigh,, its much MUCH nicer now
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 06, 2015, 10:23:52 AM
Well, I just need to figure out how to align the fuse while keeping the wing in the jig. I'll come up with something.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Howard Rush on April 06, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
This is going to be electric and I felt like I didn't need the drag of the superfat Ted airfoil. Guess we'll see if I'm right.

I could have told you whether you are right, but any excuse to have an airplane to paint. 
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 06, 2015, 07:54:39 PM
Gee Howard, thanks. The real question would be, would you have been right?

So, I did attach the fuse and then pinned the rest together to get a since of what it was going to look like (pretty much what I thought it would look like). I need a new canopy but other than that, it's OK.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Howard Rush on April 06, 2015, 09:41:05 PM
Gee Howard, thanks. The real question would be, would you have been right?

You'll have to finish the airplane to find out. 
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on April 06, 2015, 09:44:33 PM

 Looks pretty cool Randy, are the profile outlines your design?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 07, 2015, 09:26:41 AM
Howard, you are supposed to mentor me and give me advice, not hold out on me.

Wayne, Not really. It's just a copy of some of Ted's earlier stuff that I liked.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 12, 2015, 07:14:35 PM
So, it's coming
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on April 12, 2015, 09:19:51 PM

  Cool, I kinda like the ventral fin thingie.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 12, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
It's set up sort like Ted's Excitation. Should be cool.

Wing tips, shaping the leading and trailing edge, putting in a hatch in the bottom of the cowl and landing gear aling with the control surfaces and it will be ready for for finish. Seems it always takes longer than you think it will.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 17, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Well, it's coming along. this is with the bottom hatch cut in. Will set that up next and clean up the cowl entry (glopped on some glazing compound and will grind that down tomorrow). This is mostly fixing a mistake (gads!). Tips are done with leadout slider and tip weight box. Leading and trailing edge taps are skinned off and leading edge is rough shaped.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on April 17, 2015, 10:27:18 PM
 Lookin' really good Randy, I'm wondering what your trick is gonna be to do the tailwheel with the ventral fin doohickey being right there. D>K

 I got my wingtips covered and put some fake exhaust stacks on the P-40 bash this week, it's something at least.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 18, 2015, 10:32:31 AM
Wayne,

It's a trick.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on April 18, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
Wayne,

It's a trick.

 Oh, I had no doubts about that. ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 18, 2015, 09:15:28 PM
So, the hatch is in and I slopped some SuperFil in the thing to close up a couple of gaps. Not too bad, overall. Should have some pics tomorrow. Just some sanding, cutting in vents and setting up the timer button and arming switch then finish up the elevator and build the flaps and landing gear and it's on to finish. Hope to have it in one piece by tomorrow night. Or close anyway.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on April 18, 2015, 09:50:36 PM
hey Randy, its starting to look like an airplane,, cant wait to see it fly , I hope both our new ones provide good service,, Roseburg here we come
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 19, 2015, 12:11:24 AM
If I can get it done in time. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 19, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
OK, hatches in, start button and arming switch mounts in. Just need to cut in vents and mount the thing in the air to finish up. This cold slowed me a bit but it's coming along.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: john e. holliday on April 20, 2015, 09:59:51 AM
The front inlets look big.   Hope you have some place for the air to exit.   Sure looks different and I like it.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 21, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
Doc,

I've now cut in exit vents in the top and bottom. About twice the size of the intake (or a little more). I have a problem with the battery mount interfering with the hatch that I will have to fix next. Then it's on to finishing it up.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 25, 2015, 10:06:06 PM
I got a new computer and playing with it has slowed me down. But the electronics and such are finally fitted. Why is it that no matter how big the area it seems you are always taxed for space? Anyway, it's finally hanging in the air and most of the initial sanding is done. About half done with the control surfaces and still need the cockpit and canopy mounted and the gear built, but should be close to finishing in a few days. I'll post some pics in a day or so (as soon as I figure out how to do it with the new rig), if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Dane Martin on April 26, 2015, 07:43:16 AM
Very interested. Thanks Randy!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 26, 2015, 10:27:56 PM
OK, pictures. The electronics, top and bottom and the unit hanging on the finishing fixture
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on April 30, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
So, I went to dye the canopy tonight and managed to turn it into a plastic straw. I got distracted and left it in the hot water too long. Joy. So, I ordered another one from Eric Rule and we'll try again.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 03, 2015, 10:02:22 PM
The cockpit is done and the canopy is on. No work on it today. Spent the day fixing and refinishing the deck. Joy.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: john e. holliday on May 04, 2015, 11:32:44 AM
Glad you are making progresss. I too am held up replacing a front deck on the house.   May not get one plane done in time for the Topeka contest that was moved up a week.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on May 04, 2015, 06:04:04 PM

 I keep wondering, do you have a tiny BMW decal for just above the cowl opening? :##
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 04, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
Wayne,

Cute.

The canopy has some filler around it and I got the mount fixed. Hopefully, I can get the control surfaces on by the weekend and get the gear done. I can probably start finishing this weekend. I'd really like to have this done by the Regionals. We'll see. I have other stuff to fly but I'd like this beast done.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on May 04, 2015, 09:44:03 PM

 Looks cool Randy, just poking some fun there. For some reason Beemer was the first thing that came to mind when I saw your cowl treatment. Neat idea, and something different. y1
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 06, 2015, 10:53:47 AM
Wayne,

As with most of the plane, it's a Ted Fancher takeoff. Sort of a tribute to my personal stunt hero. I just hope it flies for spit.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 06, 2015, 08:50:47 PM
So, the canopy is done (more or less) and one elevator is on. Just need to hinge the other three control surfaces and build the landing gear and it's off to finish.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 06, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
dangit, if I dont get busy you will have yours in Roseburg and I wont,,it looks great Randy
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 07, 2015, 09:36:33 AM
Thanks, Mark. I think I can start finishing this weekend. If I get it done, it will probably be gassing off without a single flight on it on the way to Roseburg. Sigh.....
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 16, 2015, 09:35:26 PM
Well, it's about half covered. The inlaws leave tomorrow and I may get some more done. It's been a long week.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 18, 2015, 10:02:42 PM
Well, it's in silkspan.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on May 19, 2015, 06:43:30 PM

 That's good! y1 If you're done I'll take what you have left. ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 20, 2015, 11:00:21 AM
Wayne,

Uh, no. I'll keep all I have ... until it's gone then it will be time to think about other options. Found a source for very light silk. Might try that or cave in and use Polyspan.

Haven't worked on it for a couple of days. Home repair projects have intruded. And it's off to the Regionals tomorrow so, nothing for a bit.

Sigh.....
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on May 24, 2015, 07:56:31 PM
So, my car broke (currently in the shop) and so, no trip to Roseburg. So, more home repairs and the plane got fillets and is awaiting me spraying a coat of filler. The it's zen sanding time.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 10, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
And yes, I'm still working on it. Sanding and sanding and sanding.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on June 10, 2015, 09:47:08 PM

 Everything Zen. :)
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 21, 2015, 06:55:38 PM
And, it's ready for paint. Well, just about. A bit of prep before painting.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Robby Hunt on June 21, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
Everything Zen. :)

I was listening to that a few hours ago!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 22, 2015, 12:04:12 PM
Hopefully, this toad will fly. The previous beast has some sort of issue that I just can't figure out. So, it went in the rack while I cogitate on it. In the mean time, I'm fixing up a previous unit that flies really well to be my primary weapon until this bad boy is ready for the stunt wars.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 26, 2015, 07:41:25 PM
So, paining has commenced. Silver spots for stars. I hate silver as it shows every bad spot. Oh well
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on June 26, 2015, 09:50:05 PM

 There's bad spots?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 27, 2015, 09:19:13 AM
Sure, Wayne. It could really use another coat of primer, but that would be more weight. I already have a problem on the bottom where I sanded through the paper in multiple spots and had to patch. It will be presentable in the end.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 27, 2015, 08:32:43 PM
Weird you can't see the masks under the white. Needs to dry for a bit then I'll pull the masks and start taping for the rest of the trim.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on June 27, 2015, 09:36:21 PM

 What paint are you using?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 28, 2015, 11:30:32 AM
Randolph's. The colors are custom mix. Except the blue I'm going to use. That's Brodak.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 28, 2015, 04:30:57 PM
OK, I hate painting. Tried to tape the trim colors. Decided I didn't like it and when I pulled up the tape, up came the white. So, that's fixed but I think I'll need to shoot some clear on to lock the damn white down. Joy.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on June 28, 2015, 09:51:27 PM

 More thinner, more thinner...
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 29, 2015, 09:50:52 AM
Yea, I shot a thin coat with some 60/40 (thinner to dope) clear and that seems to have taken care of it.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on June 29, 2015, 05:00:20 PM
Maybe I should just shoot clear on it and go flying.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Fred Underwood on June 29, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
Should be electron proof with that paint.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 01, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
And if the weather will cool down so the tape will stay in one place, I'll finish the darned thing.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 05, 2015, 08:51:05 PM
8 hours of taping for 5 minutes of painting. Always fun.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 05, 2015, 10:38:52 PM
8 hours of taping for 5 minutes of painting. Always fun.

  Ahh yes, masking Zen. ;D 
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 06, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
Wayne,

Yea, I did this one where all colors were masked first. Then, cover up areas and shoot a color (blue went on last night), then unmask, move and shoot the next color. Should have all the colors on in a day or so. Then I'll post a picture. Unless you want to see the thing all masked up with color shot all over.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 06, 2015, 09:22:18 PM
Well, third color (plus base white) is on. Tomorrow the tape comes off and we will see what we see. I foresee some touch up as the white really isn't liking sticking to the silver. Hope it doesn't take too much.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 06, 2015, 09:55:15 PM
Wayne,

Yea, I did this one where all colors were masked first.

 I'm always paranoid about leaving the tape on too long, I dunno, maybe I don't need to be. I try to work out a time allotment where I can tape as quickly as possible, spray a color and then unmask right away, all in one session. Hope your plan works out Randy.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 07, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
Randy,,
Silver
enough said,, thats the issue
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: RC Storick on July 07, 2015, 01:17:09 AM
Monokote gun on low to heat the tap first
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: David Hoover on July 07, 2015, 05:10:08 AM
Monokote gun on low to heat the tap first

Or use your wife's hair dryer (without her knowledge, of course).
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 07, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Yea, there's so far only a couple of places that are issues. Since it's already 110F in my shop, not sure about the hair dryer, but I'll use it anyway.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Bill Little on July 07, 2015, 11:37:00 AM
Hi Brother Randy!

Knowing how you work, it will be excellent!  Best of luck sorting it out.  I have all confidence in your abilities!

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 07, 2015, 11:46:08 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Bill. Hey, finishing is a series of fixing problems. I'm sure I'll fix any that come up.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 07, 2015, 09:31:24 PM
So, a few problems here and there. A bit of touch up and I still need to put a bit of another color on, but it's not bad at all. Less fixing stuff than I expected.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 08, 2015, 06:12:17 PM

 Randy,

 Just sent you a PM.  S?P ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 12, 2015, 03:38:01 PM
Wayne, I decided on gold.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 12, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
Wayne, I decided on gold.

 Hmm, you must be a glutton for punishment. :##
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 12, 2015, 07:08:07 PM
Yea, yea. Seems to have worked OK. I made a couple of decisions that I would like to take back, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Steve Helmick on July 12, 2015, 07:28:29 PM
When can you go fly it? I'll meet you at Scobee Field, just send me a txt message. NICE color combination.  #^ Steve
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 12, 2015, 07:43:17 PM

 The pics must be from before the gold?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 13, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Steve,

About a week or so.

Wayne,

It's there.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 13, 2015, 07:02:41 PM
Wayne,

It's there.

 I'll take your word for it. :##
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 14, 2015, 09:35:24 AM
Who knew I could do subtle?
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 19, 2015, 10:14:14 AM
So, I elected to not put inklines on. Well a couple but not really. Shooting clear. I just want it done and in the air. Not a stellar finish by any means, but should be serviceable.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 19, 2015, 09:36:41 PM
Great. The decals crinkled up so I get to sand them out and reapply new ones. What I get for getting in a hurry I guess.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Avaiojet on July 20, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Great. The decals crinkled up so I get to sand them out and reapply new ones. What I get for getting in a hurry I guess.

You can clear over vinyl graphics.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Matt Colan on July 20, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
You can clear over vinyl graphics.

You can clear over water slides too...been doing it since I've been making decals
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 21, 2015, 02:10:46 PM
Matt, it's been so hot with high humidity (95+ at about 85%) that I had to put some retarder in the dope so it didn't blush. But that made it too hot for the decals and, well, they sort of slumped. So, I peeled them off (not easy) and sanded down the clear edges. Reshot some white over the area, did a bit more light sanding and am in the process of re-applying them. Then I will use a bit of 50/50 dope around the edges and sand to level it back out then, hopefully, proceed with the clear coat, going very lightly on the decals and without the retarder. Hopefully.

Sheesh, what a pain.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 21, 2015, 10:32:25 PM

 Been there done it, and yes, it sucks. Keep on truckin' Randy! y1
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 25, 2015, 11:58:13 AM
Well, this thing has just gone to hell. Decided rather than accepting a very, very subpar finish, I'm just going to sand the thing down and start over. I'll probably get a better base anyway. Sigh....
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Tim Wescott on July 25, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
Ooh fun.  You'll still get it done before I get my Legacy done, and possibly before I get to fly in a contest again (it's turning into a very busy summer for me).
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 25, 2015, 09:29:42 PM
Tim,

It will get done when it gets done. Sadly, I've already picked out my next project but it will now have to wait. Joy.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 26, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
I went thorugh that on the Avenger,, it will be better the second time,,
patience my friend,, it will be worth it,,
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: John Leidle on July 26, 2015, 01:44:13 PM
  Randy , I'm sanding off the finish of my Electra as I type. I'm sanding off the finish on the rear of my Olympus after a fuse repair, I said I'd never refinish a plane again but I'm doing it.
   John
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 26, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
Well. 7 hours of wet sanding and I have a pretty good base now. So, the repainting begins. Joy.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: John Leidle on July 27, 2015, 02:00:52 PM
 I shot the sealer coat on my new plane this am  a little sanding & a bit of touch up & then the color
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 27, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
Hi John.

Part of the issue is deciding what to do in what order. I don't want to slog a bunch more paint on the thing. So hopefully, I can just hit the areas I need to repaint and leave the rest alone, more or less. To get the tone right, I will probably hit the whole thing with a very thin coat and just hit the areas I sanded through or whatever a bit harder. We'll see.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: John Leidle on July 27, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
 You seem to always come out with a flawless paint job, looking forward to seeing it.
   john
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 28, 2015, 03:26:44 PM
John, well, it will be better than it was going to be. I'll work on it until the weekend then I'm taking off for a week to go on vacation. Should be able to finish it up when I get back. I ordered some exotic clear coat. We'll see how that works.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 28, 2015, 08:57:48 PM
I ordered some exotic clear coat. We'll see how that works.

 Uh-oh, rolling the dice once again? ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 28, 2015, 09:40:26 PM
Wayne,

Not really. It's show car catalyzed polyurethane. Dope is just not on right now. Apparently. Besides, I need to get it done as I've already chosen the next project.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 28, 2015, 09:58:08 PM

 10-4. I know some here use the stuff, but isn't it heavier than dope? I suppose the difference may be negligible.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 29, 2015, 11:14:21 AM
Nice thing about Cat Poly is that you shoot one coat and are done. It's important to go easy as you can really add weight if you get heavy on the paint trigger, but typically, it adds about an ounce and a half. I had just wanted a compatible finish from the wood up. Repairing a combination finish can be a real pain. Hopefully, it will never need repair.

Best guess at this point is plane, ready to fly, will be in the 64-67oz range. Livable for this design.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on July 29, 2015, 06:15:49 PM

Hopefully, it will never need repair.


 And yeah, that too. ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 29, 2015, 09:02:51 PM
So, the white is fixed. Joy.

I had to shoot everything - lightly - since I had to mix up new white and it's quite a bit darker than the original paint. Probably the additional pearl I dumped in.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: John Leidle on July 30, 2015, 09:37:12 AM
   Nice , clean lines.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on July 31, 2015, 11:04:00 PM
Well, the blue is back on anyway.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 01, 2015, 08:07:00 PM
Well, it's got color again. A royal pain but it's done. Needs a couple of spots of touch up, but it doesn't look bad.  Now it can sit for a week while I go off to see my son get married.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Avaiojet on August 01, 2015, 09:05:10 PM
Randy,

I think you did a great job with this model. It'll look even better when you get it assembled.

Congrats!  H^^
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on August 02, 2015, 01:24:40 AM

 Wow! That was fast! y1
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 04, 2015, 03:13:40 PM
Thanks, Charles.

Wayne, 8 hours of taping in one sitting. The blue paint - move the mask, red paint, move the mask, gold paint and pull tape. Ugh! Now it can sit and gas off for a week while I sit next to a lake and see how much of nothing I can do.

When I get back it will be a small bit of touch up (not bad), lettering, ink, clear and let's go flying. Hurrah!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 12, 2015, 11:03:49 AM
Still fixing stuff. Minor issues. Hope to have lettering on and inklines by the weekend so I can shoot clear and go fly this toad. I'm really sick of looking at it.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 14, 2015, 05:40:16 PM
I swear this plane hates me. Went to put the graphics on and I messed it up. So, new stuff and I'll have to wait to prep them. Crap.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 15, 2015, 07:32:40 PM
OK, here it is ready for clear. I'd do some more inking, but I've pretty much had it with this toad.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Matt Colan on August 15, 2015, 08:35:13 PM
That is really really cool! Hopefully the plane will "deviate" from its current defiance of cooperation and be a winner!  8)
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on August 15, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
it looks pretty good Randy,, hopefully I can see it in person this year still,, maybe Sept in Auburn, or Fall follies
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: wwwarbird on August 16, 2015, 12:36:58 PM

 Looks racy! ;D
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 16, 2015, 02:40:47 PM
As big a pain in the ass as thing thing had been, it better be the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's catalyzing as I type. We'll see later. Got some dust in it (of course), so hopefully when I rub it out, that will go away.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Bill Little on August 16, 2015, 08:25:09 PM
Hi Randy,

I am glad to see that you stuck with it and got a decent outcome.  I just have a feeling it will trim out easily and be a great flier for you!  Good luck my friend, you need something good to happen with this model!

Bill
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 19, 2015, 03:07:46 PM
Doesn't look like I'll make it for the contest this weekend. Sigh... Just not enough time. But I'll go a kibitz. I'll try to find something to fly.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 26, 2015, 01:59:49 PM
Well, I'm buffing.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 26, 2015, 10:20:09 PM
Man, why didn't I buy a hand buffer years ago. Sheesh! My life certainly got easier.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mark Scarborough on August 26, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
Man, why didn't I buy a hand buffer years ago. Sheesh! My life certainly got easier.
uh,,,
Not sure,,
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Lauri Malila on August 27, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Man, why didn't I buy a hand buffer years ago. Sheesh! My life certainly got easier.

Randy,

Where can I find a good buffer? I've been searching but they all are too big. And the smallest touch-up ones I've found are pneumatic.

L
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Larry Wong on August 27, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/autogeek/3-inch-gr-hd-polisher.jpg         Randy what I use #^  from auto geek
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Bill Johnson on August 28, 2015, 10:01:35 AM
Randy,

Where can I find a good buffer? I've been searching but they all are too big. And the smallest touch-up ones I've found are pneumatic.

L

Not Randy but......

The Griot's Garage 3 Inch Orbital Polisher is what it looks like guys are using. here's a kit but you can buy just the buffer for about $25 USD less.

http://www.autopia-carcare.com/griots-mini-polisher-kit.html?productid=griots-mini-polisher-kit&channelid=FROOG&utm_source=CSEs&utm_medium=GoogleProductSearch&utm_campaign=CSE&gclid=CjwKEAjwjYCvBRC99sSm_frioAwSJACrKuPCyjbKqJqKIsFANVuNXlDg0biyI5FoqveQseeDkDhtGRoC_9Tw_wcB

I don't know if you use 110V power or not, Lauri. I've searched cordless and air powered but I still come back to the Griot's as the best way to go.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Mike Haverly on August 28, 2015, 10:23:28 AM
Randy,

I have one of those buffers.  Pete P. borrowed it and declared it "wonderful".  You can try mine if you want.  Also, there is a Griot's garage in Tacoma on 38th street.  They have all kinds of "good stuff" including the buffer.  Don't bring money, you may not have any left after visiting!
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 28, 2015, 11:26:59 AM
I picked up a cheap Harbor Freight unit just as a tryout. Works fine but I can see that the unit Mike shows would be better. I will check that out.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: tom brightbill on August 28, 2015, 04:55:43 PM
There is a thread done by Alan Resinger that details the use of the Griot buffer.  It's well worth the time to read.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 28, 2015, 06:09:50 PM
It's polished up. Has a nice 7 foot finish.The hinges are drying.
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Lauri Malila on August 28, 2015, 06:41:54 PM
Thanks for links, my life just got a lot easier!
We have 220 V but I don't think that's a big problem.

L
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: tom brightbill on August 28, 2015, 07:24:24 PM
Here's Alan's thread:

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,30241.0.html
Title: Re: New Project - Sort of a kit bash
Post by: Randy Powell on August 28, 2015, 09:34:55 PM
Here's a pic of the more or less completed project. Turns out you can polish a turd.