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Re: New build
« Reply #300 on: May 10, 2013, 10:08:47 PM »
 Thanks Randy, it's lookin' really cool. y1

 Here's where I've always been mystified over this clear canopy subject, and the main reason I've yet to build my "Electra"...

 Ok great, we can put a bunch of filler around a clear canopy and then sand it down until the outline of the canopy blends uninterrupted into the fuse outline. That part I've got. What I don't get is that when you finish sanding it the filler at the joint (like at the top rear seam for example) it would end up being so thin that it would crack very easily. Another example would be like on the flat side glass on a Classic "Electra" when you want that glass to be on the same smooth line as it transitions to the side of the fuse.

 So, my question is how do you achieve the indiscernable transition without the filler ending up microscopically thin at the joint, or even gone altogether?
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Re: New build
« Reply #301 on: May 11, 2013, 03:06:30 PM »
Wayne,

Keep in mind that the paint will draw the line between the canopy and the fuse, not the filler. I sand the filler down until I get a seamless transition from body to the canopy. If I go through the filler to the plastic (or balsa), that's fine. It looks a bit odd until the paint is on, but it's about the transition, not line (if that makes sense).
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Re: New build
« Reply #302 on: May 11, 2013, 03:54:59 PM »
Dude, you've got some serious sanding ahead...

That cockpit looks fantastic!!

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Re: New build
« Reply #303 on: May 11, 2013, 09:17:32 PM »
 Yep, that makes total sense Randy, and I've already had that part figured out too. It's just that in most installations I've always imagined the finish sanded thickness of the filler at the actual canopy to balsa seam to end up being extremely thin. I do understand that if you're working with a bubble type canopy or windscreen you can "cheat" the filler seam/paint line like you describe because there is usually a natural "valley" to work with. However, the flat side glass like on the Electra design is a prime example of my concern. Sorry if I'm being thick skulled here, but I just haven't been able to picture it without the filler being super thin at the seam and prone to cracking.
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Re: New build
« Reply #304 on: May 11, 2013, 09:28:20 PM »
Marcus,

The cockpit is very simple. but it looks OK.

Wayne, I leave it thin and have never had a problem it cracking or whatever. You can sand it super thin and just feather it into the plastic of the canopy. Nice thing about SuperFil. I usually sand it all very smooth including the plastic of the canopy. Clear coat clears it right up.

I've tried to post pictures 3 times, but apparently the server isn't in the mood tonight. I keep getting an error so I'll try again tomorrow.

Yea, I tried again and no deal. Not even one at a time. I guess I'll try tomorrow.
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Re: New build
« Reply #305 on: May 11, 2013, 10:03:46 PM »

 Ok Randy, makes sense, that's just how it works I guess.

 I'm still getting used to the blue filler but so far I'm really liking the stuff, it sands much easier than I expected too. Over the past few evenings I filled and sanded the solid balsa canopy/windscreen I made for the Nobler/P-40 bash and it came out pretty good, good enough anyway.

 Thanks, back to our regularly scheduled programming... ;D
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Re: New build
« Reply #306 on: May 11, 2013, 10:20:27 PM »
I've tried to post pictures 3 times, but apparently the server isn't in the mood tonight. I keep getting an error so I'll try again tomorrow.

Check file size. Has to be under 1000 KB
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Re: New build
« Reply #307 on: May 11, 2013, 11:49:26 PM »
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I tired it one at a time, but no deal. I'll try again tomorrow.

And Wayne, I posted a pic of the plane on facebook.
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Re: New build
« Reply #308 on: May 12, 2013, 02:03:11 PM »
OK, it's a new day. I'll try to upload some pics again. First is the grind in process. Second the grind is done and the last is a shot of the wing fairings. I had to go back and fix something (a bunch more blue stuff), but most of that will be ground off today.
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Re: New build
« Reply #309 on: May 12, 2013, 02:05:35 PM »
And mine is taking a lot longer than Robert's work, but hey, you can't rush coolness (unless you're Robert).
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Re: New build
« Reply #310 on: May 12, 2013, 02:26:12 PM »
Yah but is my rush job that good? Some say yes I say no.
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Re: New build
« Reply #311 on: May 12, 2013, 02:30:21 PM »
I think it is. It's a very cool plane. I'm just loafing along, working on it when I'm in the mood. You put in long days to finish yours.
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Re: New build
« Reply #312 on: May 12, 2013, 02:32:59 PM »
I think it is. It's a very cool plane. I'm just loafing along, working on it when I'm in the mood. You put in long days to finish yours.

That's only because I was lazy this winter. I was rushed for time for the NATS. I am regretting it now. That's why next years is in construction now. But this is about your cool build. I love the style and execution.
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Re: New build
« Reply #313 on: May 12, 2013, 08:38:51 PM »
Well, it won't be boring anyway. It's straight and pretty light. I'm guessing the final weight at around 60oz ready to fly. Be nice to hit that. I think it's straight. Certainly measured it every way I could think of.

I finished the gear wire and caps for the gear blocks today. Just need to do the gear doors (no wheel pants on this one - not after the last disaster) and order Robert's cool wheels and that will be done. Then I can start finishing the thing.
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Re: New build
« Reply #314 on: May 12, 2013, 08:54:59 PM »

 Looks really good Randy, a very cool original design. y1

 I study the pics and keep trying to think of descriptive words for this model but...it's trippy.

 It's kinda like Star Wars meets Yin and Yang meets Schneider Cup Racer meets Lowrider meets... ;D
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Re: New build
« Reply #315 on: May 13, 2013, 09:55:56 AM »
Wayne,

Natural extension of my last one, I suppose. I like the GeeBee R3 and I imagine I was sort of thinking about that and some other weird thoughts. Who knows where ideas come from. Too many classic car shows on TV maybe.
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Re: New build
« Reply #316 on: May 13, 2013, 10:28:14 AM »

 Whatever the inspiration was, it works. y1
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Re: New build
« Reply #317 on: May 13, 2013, 01:38:02 PM »
Thanks, Wayne. I appreciate that.
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Re: New build
« Reply #318 on: May 14, 2013, 09:36:27 AM »
Me too, what ever the inspiration is it works.
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Re: New build
« Reply #319 on: May 14, 2013, 04:01:13 PM »
I'm working late tonight, but tomorrow, I will start getting the gear finished up with temp wheels (I ordered some of Robert's "cool" wheels). The I can put it all together with motor, battery and such and get a weight. That will give me my finish budget and off we go on the finish.

I think I'll leave this thread intact for the finish so that if someone is interested, they can see from first wood cut to clear coat in one thread.
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Re: New build
« Reply #320 on: May 14, 2013, 04:02:41 PM »
I think I'll leave this thread intact for the finish so that if someone is interested, they can see from first wood cut to clear coat in one thread.

That's how I prefer to look at a build thread.
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Re: New build
« Reply #321 on: May 14, 2013, 05:44:50 PM »
As long as the pics keep comin' ,  you're the boss!!

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Re: New build
« Reply #322 on: May 15, 2013, 08:43:46 AM »
Hey it is not that hard to go to the finish section. mw~ mw~
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« Reply #323 on: May 15, 2013, 01:48:09 PM »
If you do go to the finishing section, a link in this thread would be nice to ensure that the quiet followers don't miss that part.
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Re: New build
« Reply #324 on: May 15, 2013, 02:09:07 PM »
I suspect I'll just stick here. We'll see.
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Re: New build
« Reply #325 on: May 18, 2013, 07:09:01 PM »
OK, it's done and I need an opinion. So, here's the completed gear but I want to see what you all think about something I haven't decided about. Look at the monster sorta fillet on the front of the wing. It's just pinned on but I can't decide if I want it. The idea was to add to the stiffness of the nose and it sorta goes with the rest of it.
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Re: New build
« Reply #326 on: May 18, 2013, 07:26:59 PM »
I like the fillet Randy! Keep it!!
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Re: New build
« Reply #327 on: May 19, 2013, 02:13:37 AM »
That's not a fillet - it is Leading Edge Extension  :P
Surely it is large enough to affect air flows. Is it symmetrical?
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« Reply #328 on: May 19, 2013, 07:02:38 AM »
I like it, do it!

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« Reply #329 on: May 19, 2013, 07:39:56 AM »
Can the leading edge fillet.  It does nothing for the plane in my opinion.
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« Reply #330 on: May 19, 2013, 10:37:39 AM »
I was a bit concerned about nose stability (no maple mounts to stabilize it). I build a couple of different setups; these fillets, some cheek cowls and a sort of weird, molded wrap around, but didn't really like any of them. This is the only one I was really much considering at this point. It gives a very cool plan view, but overall, I didn't like it much. Now that I'm down to it, I was reconsidering. I'll look at it again today. they would make little difference in final weight but may add something to nose stability. Same reason I have those long fairings on the flaps. The nose looks a bit blockier than I had planned. If I don't put the fillet on, I may rework the cowl to give it a somewhat less blocky look.
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« Reply #331 on: May 19, 2013, 11:41:56 AM »
I like it... FWIW... :)!

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Re: New build
« Reply #332 on: May 20, 2013, 09:43:39 AM »
So, I put everything in and if I were flying it right now, it would be pretty light. This is going to have to be a very thin finish.

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Re: New build
« Reply #333 on: May 20, 2013, 12:14:44 PM »
So, I put everything in and if I were flying it right now, it would be pretty light. This is going to have to be a very thin finish.

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Re: New build
« Reply #334 on: May 20, 2013, 01:55:44 PM »
Robert,

To hit my target weight, I'll need about a 7oz finish. I've done it before. Number one is no filler coat. I'll build up clear until everything is filled.
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Re: New build
« Reply #335 on: May 20, 2013, 09:51:56 PM »

 I've been gone all weekend, just checking back here. Gotta say I don't like the L/E fillet.
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« Reply #336 on: May 20, 2013, 10:07:25 PM »
Try them like this.



I did this with a triangle piece of 1/64 plywood with a inside radius and filler.
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Re: New build
« Reply #337 on: May 20, 2013, 10:21:18 PM »
Randy, remember to subtract like 7 ounces of fuel from it before you get concerned about to much weight,,

also, remember no vibrations ( unless you break a prop) so you dont need as much structure as with glow...
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« Reply #338 on: May 21, 2013, 09:34:52 AM »
Mark,

I thought about that. The nose on this beast is pretty long and was concerned about torque. But I don't really like the long leading fillet (which is why they've been made for months but not glued on). I'll do something up there, but probably not that.
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« Reply #339 on: May 21, 2013, 09:43:18 AM »
Robert's filets look great and not too overly done.
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Re: New build
« Reply #340 on: May 21, 2013, 06:53:16 PM »
Robert's filets look great and not too overly done.

 Yep, that style would work. y1
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« Reply #341 on: May 26, 2013, 12:10:37 PM »
Still laid up guys, so no work on the plane. I'm a bit better today so I plan to get out to the shop.
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Re: New build
« Reply #342 on: May 28, 2013, 01:58:37 PM »
Robert's filets look great.

They sure do.  As they say on the radio in the movies, "Copy that."
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« Reply #343 on: May 28, 2013, 02:19:49 PM »
Yes sir. As soon as the neck brace is off.
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Re: New build
« Reply #344 on: May 28, 2013, 02:36:12 PM »
neck brace,,
I fear we are missing part of this story Randy,, what gives
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Re: New build
« Reply #345 on: May 28, 2013, 07:09:02 PM »
Mark,

Let's just say that the cat and I had words. Running up the front steps and tripping me as I came down and sending me into the rocks neck first was not what I had in mind. Result was a very large bruise and a pinched nerve. But I'll live. Flexeril is wonderful stuff. Doc says I should be fine in another couple of days.
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Re: New build
« Reply #346 on: May 28, 2013, 09:37:51 PM »
 Holy $%@# Randy, at least you weren't carrying a plane! Get Well! H^^
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Re: New build
« Reply #347 on: May 29, 2013, 10:08:58 AM »
WAyne,

I'm fine, just a pinched nerve and a bruise. Even at work again.

Meanwhile, I went out last night and managed to stay upright long enough to do the fairing at the front of the wing. Need to grind that down then it's off to finish.
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Re: New build
« Reply #348 on: May 29, 2013, 10:36:01 AM »
Let's just say that the cat and I had words. Running up the front steps and tripping me as I came down and sending me into the rocks neck first was not what I had in mind. Result was a very large bruise and a pinched nerve. But I'll live. Flexeril is wonderful stuff. Doc says I should be fine in another couple of days.

I've had similar things happen to me, only not yet with such dire results.  Cats seem to fully understand the implications of life insurance policies, they just never seem to grasp the fact that they are not the beneficiaries.
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Re: New build
« Reply #349 on: May 29, 2013, 10:55:07 AM »
Tim,

I have a Maine Coon cat. About 38lbs. That boy never moves fast, but whatever it was that spooked him, he rocketed up the stairs. I should have just stepped on the turd, but the effort miss him (unsuccessful) sent me tumbling. So I'm laying out on the rock path and he's sitting on the deck looking at me like it was my fault.

Since then, he and I have had words....
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