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Re: New build
« Reply #150 on: March 07, 2013, 10:20:26 AM »
This is why I am waaiting now for the Take Apart Ringmaster E-Power to be ready as a complet set with power, accessories and kit.  Just hope they keep it under a grand.

I'm looking forward to that ringmaster as well.

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Re: New build
« Reply #151 on: March 07, 2013, 12:06:47 PM »
Yea, I thought about that with the battery tray. Pretty easy to make another one. I thought about making it adjustable, but it didn't seem worth the extra weight and problems. So, if I end up with multiple batteries of different sizes, I'll just have to make more trays.
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Re: New build
« Reply #152 on: March 09, 2013, 07:20:33 PM »
OK, they new stab is almost done. Tried a different approach and at least it's straight. Looks like it will be about 1/4oz heavier but much stiffer and straight.
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Re: New build
« Reply #153 on: March 10, 2013, 09:43:30 PM »
OK, a bit more progress. The new stab is done and I got the wing in the fuse.
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Re: New build
« Reply #154 on: March 10, 2013, 10:47:38 PM »

 Cool.

 I'm curious, do you normally slip your fuse sides onto each side of the wing before you set the fuse into the jig and then add the bulkheads, or do you put the wing in after the fuse is started?
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Re: New build
« Reply #155 on: March 11, 2013, 09:50:31 AM »
I comeplete the fuse box in the jig, clamp it in a cut the bottom saddle. Then insert the wing and replace the saddle - all in the jig to keep things straigt. Once the wing is loose in the fuse, out comes the incidence meters, and various measuring instruments to insure the wing in square in the fuselage. You can't see them in the pictures, but there are some reference lines drawn to allow sometime to measure against. I should have cleaned up the bench before the phone, but such is life.
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Re: New build
« Reply #156 on: March 11, 2013, 12:21:49 PM »
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Re: New build
« Reply #157 on: March 11, 2013, 02:45:50 PM »
I hope to have the stab on shortly then I can put on the already completed block and such. It's coming together, more or less. Should be in one piece in a couple of weeks.
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Re: New build
« Reply #158 on: March 11, 2013, 05:18:08 PM »
I comeplete the fuse box in the jig, clamp it in a cut the bottom saddle. Then insert the wing and replace the saddle - all in the jig to keep things straigt. Once the wing is loose in the fuse, out comes the incidence meters, and various measuring instruments to insure the wing in square in the fuselage. You can't see them in the pictures, but there are some reference lines drawn to allow sometime to measure against. I should have cleaned up the bench before the phone, but such is life.

 Thanks Randy. Couldn't tell in the pics but with the wing being tapered that's what I figured.
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Re: New build
« Reply #159 on: March 11, 2013, 09:03:26 PM »
Wayne,

And with this one, the fuse sides are way too skinny to allow doing it any other way. Without the jig, it would be a pretzel.
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Re: New build
« Reply #160 on: March 17, 2013, 07:26:34 PM »
Well, I got a lot done, but will now need to cut in to fix something. I hate it when that happens.
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Re: New build
« Reply #161 on: March 17, 2013, 07:33:36 PM »
It looks wild.  Dare I ask what you messed up?
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Re: New build
« Reply #162 on: March 17, 2013, 07:37:26 PM »
I should really mock up the controls system prior to installing it if I'm doing something new. I have to cut in a move the pushrod further out on the bellcrank. Not enough control movement.

Sigh....

Not a big deal at this point, but just frustrating.
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Re: New build
« Reply #163 on: March 17, 2013, 08:52:43 PM »

 Looks like the cockpit is on the wrong end? :##
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Re: New build
« Reply #164 on: March 17, 2013, 10:24:22 PM »
That's the shipping compartment.
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Re: New build
« Reply #165 on: March 17, 2013, 11:45:12 PM »
 ;D ;D
That's the shipping compartment.

I keep coming back to look again,, and I have resisted, but can resist no more,,
I like it,,
that said,, in the best way possible, to me it FEELS like a pod racer from star wars ,,,,

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Re: New build
« Reply #166 on: March 18, 2013, 07:11:55 AM »
Reandy,

It's a sharp looking model, I like it also.

The two outside rudders, I believe I wouldn't have that small section of the stab sticking out that inch or so.

I would attach them flush on the ends.

Smooth cleaner look, an area for color and graphics with no disturbing "stab airfoil" sticking out, plus, you will gain a few useful squares on both the stab and especially the elevator.

Tail moment appears a tad long, could just be visual optics because of the elongated parts?

Still, you have a winner there!

JMHO.

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Re: New build
« Reply #167 on: March 18, 2013, 08:03:02 AM »
Randy, that is far out thinking out side of the box.   I like it.   Should stand out sitting in the pits amoungst the cookie cutter planes.   Also I don't expect a simple paint job on this one.  
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Re: New build
« Reply #168 on: March 18, 2013, 09:42:53 AM »
The rudders weren't affixed in this picture. I just slid them on. Stylistically it needs the little tabs on the outsider of the rudder. It will be apparent upon completion. It just looks long because as of this picture, the bottom block wasn't on yet. The moments are about usual except it has a rather long nose moment. I did this to allow a lot of battery movement and because after talking to Paul, I wanted enough nose to let me NOT have to put lead in the nose. The battery should be able to slide back far enought that it certainly won't be tail heavy and forward enough to avoid added lead.

I will cut into it tonight to move the pushrod on the bellcrank. Luckily. I drilled several holes and hopefully left enough space around stuff to avoid hitting anything with the change in pushrod position. Just need a little more movement. I don't think 12 degrees is enough.
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Re: New build
« Reply #169 on: March 18, 2013, 11:07:41 AM »
Randy,

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Stylistically it needs the little tabs on the outsider of the rudder.

With all due respect, I couldn't disagree with you more.

They serve no purpose.

I could list the downsides.  

If you only take my advice once in your lifetime, now is the time.  ;D

However, good luck with whatever you choose.

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Re: New build
« Reply #170 on: March 18, 2013, 03:25:14 PM »
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To each, his own. We'll see.
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Re: New build
« Reply #171 on: March 18, 2013, 09:06:39 PM »
I should really mock up the controls system prior to installing it if I'm doing something new. I have to cut in a move the pushrod further out on the bellcrank. Not enough control movement.

You should have used my fine control geometry spreadsheet.

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Re: New build
« Reply #172 on: March 18, 2013, 09:17:20 PM »
Howard,

I didn't have access to such secret, high end information. Such closely guarded secrets are just for you high falootin', super expert types.

Besides, it's fixed. Weird combination of stupidity, luck and some unexpected forethought. Stupid part was waiting until the top and bottom shells were attached (so I had to cut through them). Some luck in that both in the cutting I went right over a fuse former so the piece I pulled out stayed in shape and also that once fixed, the control system was actually moving more freely ( could have easily had a hang up since the referencing done was with the pushrod in the inner position) and the forethought in that the bellcrank had three holes in the control arm and all were drilled and tapped.

In the end, it seems to be working fine. Now I can get onto the next part. building the tailwheel mount. then the nose stuff and cowl. Then setting up all the electrical stuff and working out mounts and whatever. Then, well, there are many steps before it's an actual plane. But at least it sort of looks like one now.
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Re: New build
« Reply #173 on: March 18, 2013, 09:36:04 PM »
You should have used my fine control geometry spreadsheet.

Spreadsheet??  Spreadsheet!!

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1365&doc_id=260464

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Re: New build
« Reply #174 on: March 19, 2013, 08:36:24 AM »
Randy I like the looks of the new plane.  Reminds me of the Trident that Scarinzi did a few years ago.  Also I think your stab/rudder set up makes for better rudder mounting.   Try not to knock the rudders off an Olympic.
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Re: New build
« Reply #175 on: March 20, 2013, 11:40:25 PM »
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Re: New build
« Reply #176 on: March 21, 2013, 09:35:20 AM »
Thanks guys. I've done quite a bit more. Will post some pics this weekend after I get the nose more together.
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Re: New build
« Reply #177 on: March 22, 2013, 09:13:52 PM »
Plugging along. The thing is mostly on one piece. At least the main airframe. Pics tomorrow maybe.
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Re: New build
« Reply #178 on: March 22, 2013, 11:52:34 PM »
Holy cow! Sheeks meets Scarinzi! H^^ That is cool!

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Re: New build
« Reply #179 on: March 23, 2013, 06:23:37 PM »
I can tell you that figuring out the nose has been interesting. Still figuring it out. I'm carving the cowl and will try to figure the rest out when that's done. Very different than they way I usually do it.
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Re: New build
« Reply #180 on: March 23, 2013, 11:18:43 PM »
Randy,it is a bit different set of issues to work around isnt it,,
ah well, challenge always brings out innovation right?

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Re: New build
« Reply #181 on: March 24, 2013, 04:21:28 AM »
Randy

Please, a few pics to satisfy our curiosity!!

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Re: New build
« Reply #182 on: March 24, 2013, 11:43:49 AM »
Mark,

Undetermined at this time. I'm hoping to make it at least one day. We'll see as it gets closer.

Marcus,

I'll post something later.
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Re: New build
« Reply #183 on: March 24, 2013, 06:46:15 PM »
For Marcus (and the other two people interested -  ;D  )  Here are a couple of pics of the current progress. One shows the electronics bay, such as it is and what there is of it. I'm working on some ways to reinforce the nose that will all look cool. We'll see on that. The canopy picture is just a rough first approximation but gives the idea. I include a pic of the cowl before shaping and one after some rough shaping then one where it's actually sanded a little. That was fun.
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Re: New build
« Reply #184 on: March 24, 2013, 06:52:20 PM »
Forgot the one for Mark.
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Re: New build
« Reply #185 on: March 24, 2013, 08:21:54 PM »
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its looking sharp man,, definetly has your style attached,, I hope you are happy with it so far
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Re: New build
« Reply #186 on: March 24, 2013, 08:42:04 PM »
I'm not sure how heavy it is at this point. My digital scale is apparently having a melt down. I weighed the airframe and the scale says it weighs 3.5oz. I'm pretty sure it's heavier than than. the sanding block also weighs 3.5oz

Time for a new scale.
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Re: New build
« Reply #187 on: March 24, 2013, 09:32:12 PM »
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Thanks for the detailed pictures....lookin sweet.  I wish everything I put on my my scale would weight out at 3.5 OZ.!!

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Re: New build
« Reply #188 on: March 25, 2013, 03:30:20 AM »
Thanks Randy H^^
It looks very nice!
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Re: New build
« Reply #189 on: March 25, 2013, 08:19:18 AM »
Randy, this bird is awesome, I am loving the photos. You are certainly a creative guy. I can't wait to see the paint scheme you come up with!
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Re: New build
« Reply #190 on: March 25, 2013, 09:41:56 AM »
Yep, it is looking great.   
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Re: New build
« Reply #191 on: March 25, 2013, 10:00:59 AM »
The canopy is from a sail plane.    ;D
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« Reply #192 on: March 25, 2013, 10:38:18 PM »
The more I look at it, the more I like it, and my first impression was Wow! :P

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Re: New build
« Reply #193 on: March 25, 2013, 11:14:04 PM »
I was going to say something about the extra intersections that need fillets on this thing with the horizantal stab tips exposed,, but then I thought about the fillets on the Avenger,, and my comment was pretty mute,,  ???

I really enjoy the stab tips mimicking the wing tip shape,, agree they need to be exposed,,
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Re: New build
« Reply #194 on: March 26, 2013, 08:24:22 AM »
Talking about those stab tips, look at the Lockheed Constilation.
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Re: New build
« Reply #195 on: March 26, 2013, 09:20:54 AM »
I went with sleek and cool for this plane. I've probably been watching too much Fast and Loud on TV. In the words of Richard Rollins, I wanted something "BadAss".
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Re: New build
« Reply #196 on: March 26, 2013, 11:47:30 AM »
Looking good so far Randy! Can't wait to see what you come up with for paint!
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« Reply #197 on: March 27, 2013, 07:52:51 PM »
Matt, I have the paint scheme and colors in mind. I'm anxious to get there.
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Re: New build
« Reply #198 on: March 30, 2013, 08:09:57 PM »
So, I had to put some fiberglass and epoxy inside the molded top block. Should have done it before I glued the block on, but I thought I wouldn't need it. Turned out I did. So I used Mark Scarborough's trick of using a balloon to compress the fiberglass and epoxy into the corners and such. Problem was, I didn't have any balloons. So I improvised.
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Re: New build
« Reply #199 on: March 30, 2013, 08:36:59 PM »
Great trick!!
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