Author Topic: I glued 'em but the plane is too big for my truck (Read 5184 times)

frank carlisle · « **on:** July 27, 2006, 05:22:21 PM »

I got the nacelles glued on the LA HEAT today. I'm certain they are straight. But it's too big for my truck.
What should I do?

frank carlisle · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2006, 05:23:56 PM »

here it is on (not in) the truck.

wmiii · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2006, 07:49:36 PM »

How bad do you want a new truck, and can you convince the better half that you reaaaly need one.

Walter

frank carlisle · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2006, 08:34:18 PM »

Walter I haven't got a strong desire to pick up a car note right now. If a van or other vehicle fell into my lap without causing pain I'd be tickled pink.
My "better half" has absolutely no say in what I do or when I do it. She tries but I just tell her to shut up.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2006, 08:43:43 PM »

You do say please after you say that, right. You may have to make a rack to let that little bird sit on its nose at an angle. Too late to make outboard wing removable now isn't it. Looks great so far. DOC Holliday

frank carlisle · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2006, 08:51:07 PM »

i'm figuring on anchoring the landing gear to a board and transporting the model tipped up at an angle.
I've also priced out caps for the truck. Right now it has one of those canvas snap down covers.

actually I say," will you puleeze shut up?". I think she's glad to see my taillights.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2006, 02:44:46 PM »

Frank, i have a GMC 1500 I bet it won't fit in my truck either. Sure glad i am following behind you. I didn't even think about my truck. R/C 1/3 scale come apart

I have a cover i guess i can suppend someway from the cover. Ron

frank carlisle · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2006, 02:51:27 PM »

Ron,

Are you using the bellcrank and horns you got with the kit?

How far along are you with your twin right now?

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2006, 03:22:27 PM »

Frank, i am using Windy bellcrank and horns. I like his "forked" bellcrank. y1Ron

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2006, 03:25:12 PM »

Sorry Frank, i just finished the tail feathers and i am going to cover them per Brett Buck. I will tackle the wing next.Ron

frank carlisle · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2006, 04:55:39 PM »

I got my bellcrank and horns from Windy also. What's the Brett Buck way? I mean what did you do?

So far today I got the filler pieces installed betwwen the flaps and fuselage and filled all the gaps in the nacelle to wing joints. I'm getting a pair of tongue mufflers made for the 40s. Jan picked up the one I had today.

Tomorrow and Sunday we have a big shindig going on at RCCD (my club) so I'll be suspending the build till Monday.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2006, 08:17:56 PM »

Frank, i will double tissue all tail surfaces in different directions using double 00 silkspan to siffen the surfaces and then stiffen the fuse under the stab. and elev. Ron

frank carlisle · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2006, 01:45:21 AM »

That sounds like a good idea Ron. That's the B.B. method?
It's cool that we are both building the same model.

When you get to looking at the wing plan please be sure to let me know how the gear mounts look in the drawing. To me it didn't seem right but Eric at RSM said it was fine.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2006, 10:07:02 AM »

The more pictures of yours i see the more excited i get. I have been working so hard on the plane (normally i am slow,slow) my wife thinks i left home. Wishful thinking on her part. Yours is looking real good. Ron

frank carlisle · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2006, 08:26:59 PM »

it's a hard plane not to work hard on Ron. I really, really want to fly it.
it's good that the pics i post are spurring you on. too bad you don't have a digital camera, i would sure like to see your model as you progress alomg.

we're having the AMA District 7 fly-in at our club this weekend. 66 pilots registered. only 4 control line. we had the field from 10 to 11 a.m. i had 3 planes gassed and got in 6 flights in 40 mins. the field was mine for the asking any time i felt like flying so i got in 9 or 10 flights for the day, won a couple drawings, got a free chicken and rib dinner with all the fixins. Not a bad day at all.
planning the same for tomorrow. great fun.
there were a bunch of quarter and half scale r/c planes, a couple turbine jets, the general batch of r/c planes you see all the time. paper airplane races for the kids. all and all a well rounded modeling day.
i'll get back to work on the heat monday.

If I want to tank the engine out I need to remove the needle valve and muffler, but it's a small sacrifice to make for not having a cowling. On the next plane I'm going to improve on this if I can see a way. In the meantime this set up looks pretty cool to me. Are you going to use cowls on your twin Ron?

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:09:20 AM »

No i am going to build it per the plans , just can,t decide on engines. I go back and forth betweem the Romags and the Saito .40's. I can't decide. Not holding me up though. Don' t know if that gear is up to cow pasture flying

Sounds like a lot of fun at your fly in.

Ron.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2006, 09:11:20 AM »

Frank keep the pictures coming. I am going to look into a camera. Ron.

Ironbomb · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2006, 11:54:14 AM »

Frank, I think its time to rethink the motorhome idea.

With AC unit

Greg

Scott Jenkins · « **Reply #18 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:31:43 AM »

Get a Trailer

proparc · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2006, 07:42:41 PM »

Scott Jenkins is right about the trailer. I have a full size Tundra and even I am thinking about a trailer to haul say; a classic job, a profile 40 job, an expert job and all the fuel equipment etc. It doesn't have to be big but a trailer has a more efficient space utilization then the bed of a pickup.

bob branch · « **Reply #20 on:** August 09, 2006, 07:33:50 PM »

Hey Frank, I vote for the RV with Airconditioning option already mentioned. After there were more control line fliers at RCCD on Sunday since they won't give us a shelter, an airconditioned one should really get their goats.

bob branch

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2006, 12:38:25 PM »

Frank

do you think 2xO.S. .35 stunts engines would fly your twinn?
just thinking about building one after seeing yours!

what all up weight lookin like?
whats the wing span and area?

if you mount wing saddles to truck bed liner with nose foward you can run interstate speeds with no problem.you will be holding it down where the most lift (if sitting at zero attack to airflow no lift at all)should be and wont have to worry about stress on the air frame.when i did this with large r/c i would hold full down and turn radio off so servo would stay full down. with a flaped stunter probably best to lock at nutral with balsa sq stick on top and bottom of elevator and ruberbands front and rear of elevator.or possibly lock it at the leedouts?

simple and low cost this way and you can always watch mirrors for flutter and other problems

please post pics when finished!

Thanks

David

frank carlisle · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2006, 07:50:27 PM »

I'm planning on making a box to transport the twin. I'll use 2" construction foam from home depot.

Dennis I'm not too sure that the .35s will do the trick. Of course I'll know more after I've flown it.

It's an RSM kit and I don't know the numbers off hand. The span is 65 or 66 inches and I think the finished weight will be about 66 oz.

W.D. Roland · « **Reply #23 on:** August 12, 2006, 02:42:21 AM »

im and old flier in a new world--who is rsm--web address/link?

please paint that thing-it probably cold being naked!

David

frank carlisle · « **Reply #24 on:** August 12, 2006, 06:03:11 AM »

David----------
If you Google rsmdistribution.com you should get to their webpage.

the LA Heat has 834 sq. inch wing.

Leester · « **Reply #25 on:** August 12, 2006, 03:31:27 PM »

www.rsmdistribution.com

Bill Little · « **Reply #26 on:** August 12, 2006, 04:41:36 PM »

Quote from: supertiga on August 11, 2006, 12:38:25 PM

Frank

do you think 2xO.S. .35 stunts engines would fly your twinn?
just thinking about building one after seeing yours!

what all up weight lookin like?
whats the wing span and area?

if you mount wing saddles to truck bed liner with nose foward you can run interstate speeds with no problem.you will be holding it down where the most lift (if sitting at zero attack to airflow no lift at all)should be and wont have to worry about stress on the air frame.when i did this with large r/c i would hold full down and turn radio off so servo would stay full down. with a flaped stunter probably best to lock at nutral with balsa sq stick on top and bottom of elevator and ruberbands front and rear of elevator.or possibly lock it at the leedouts?

simple and low cost this way and you can always watch mirrors for flutter and other problems

please post pics when finished!

Thanks

David

Hi David,

(2) Os 35S engines, set up by Tom Lay, were used on Bob Whiteley's original LA Heat.

I would go with more if possible, but the OS's did fly it pretty good at the NATS.

Bill <><

frank carlisle · « **Reply #27 on:** August 12, 2006, 05:04:25 PM »

I think that plane came in sixth place one year at the Nats. That being the case I'd say a pair of good .35s should do the trick. And you could use .018 lines on it.

This one won't be the only one I build. I've already seen ways to ebhance the finish on a second one, and after I've flown this one a bit and gotten a new Victory going I'll build twin #2. I used Brodak .40s because I already had experience and good luck with the engines. Plus I already had them both in my collection. 3 1/2 oz. of fuel will get a whole stunt run on each engine and weight being a factor (and nacelle length) I figure the B .40s is a good place to start.

If I had had two .35s I probably would have used them.

Charlie Pate · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2006, 06:56:22 PM »

Sun and rain dictate a camper shell.
I had one on a Dodge and it worked very well.
Just measure before you buy!
A cover will work if your truck is big enough.
I have a fiber glass lid on my Powerstroke 250 Ford.
Had to get a powerstroke

as my planes are a little heavy.
Seriously , I not sure thats a good idea , if you leave your vehicle unattended.
You can see inside an empty topper, but can,t a lid ;and some folks just have to look.to see if there is something of value inside , if you know what I MEAN.

frank carlisle · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:06:49 PM »

You're right about people looking inside to see what there is to steal. But a camper shell won't work because the plane is already too big to fit inside the truck bed. So it would need to be a topper.

I've been deriously considering just buying a van.

Charlie Pate · « **Reply #30 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:33:06 PM »

A mini van?
Unless you Must carry big stuff or use one in your business,I would select a mini van
I had excellent results with mine .
Can list a lot of people that did.
Lou Wolgast
Tom Dixon
Big Art
Gene Martine
A Caravan size is what seems to work
Big vans are expensive ,don,t seem to handle as well and drink gas.
My 87 Plymouth Voyager was the same length as my 84 Dodge 2.2 car.
Hard to believe,but I measured because I didnt believe it myself.
My boy,s mother in law , drives it to work every day after swearing she would,nt or could,nt drive a van.
After she found how much she could pile in that thing and it was no harder to drive or park than her Pontiac Sedan , that was it.
Good idea might be to rent one for weekend. Cheaper than a mistake

frank carlisle · « **Reply #31 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:50:58 PM »

yeah, Iwas thinking mini van. It'll be 5 or 6 weeks dtill before I really need it. So I have time to shop.

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2006, 09:49:33 PM »

Quote from: supertiga on August 11, 2006, 12:38:25 PM

Frank

do you think 2xO.S. .35 stunts engines would fly your twinn?
just thinking about building one after seeing yours!

what all up weight lookin like?
whats the wing span and area?

The original model by Bob Whitely had Tom Lay built OS 35S engines and carbon three bladed props. This was necessary at the time because .70 was the limit for twins displacement for AMA competition. Bob was sixth at the '88 Nats , missing the fly-off by 1 point.
The original weighed over 85 ounces. But it had a foam wing, so theoretically the built up RSM kit wing can be built much lighter.

The wing area is over 850 squares, I think the span is about 65 inches.

The original was a take-apart model, the wing and stab/fin were removable. The kit plans don't detail this construction.

Chris...