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Not as far along as I would have liked.
« on: July 01, 2007, 08:17:49 PM »
Well, here is the beast. Fuse is ready for some carving and the molded top block is in the mold. This is where I get to be artistic. Or at least as artistic as I get. The blocks are all just tacked on for carving up. Still trying to decide if I want to put on a plastic canopy or just go with a simulated canopy. I have a canopy for it, but will have to decide if it's worth the effort.

Soon as the carving and sanding are done, I'll pop the blocks off and throw the parts in the jig for assembly.


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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2007, 10:39:31 PM »
Looking really good Randy, we I await the favorit part of your builds,, (aside fromt he trick wing structure) the color man, when is this beastie projected to hit local circles? Mcminnvilee perhaps?
PS ordered my balsa for the repair of the GeeBee,, should be here monday or tuesday. I got the new tail perimeter laminations done  this weekend, and some flying too,, wo hooo,
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2007, 08:53:20 AM »
Mark,

Have fun with it. Better flying than sitting in the rafters.

I may have the new plane done by the Roundup or perhaps the Fall Follies.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2007, 08:20:38 PM »
Looks great on the construction of the new plane.  A real builders project.  Now Ty, wait til I see your wife.  Have fun,  DOC Holliday
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 11:28:12 AM »
Thanks Ty, Doc,

I got the rough shaping done on the fuselage yesterday. Found out that a week in the mold for the top block wasn't enough. I had used two pieces of 1/20" balsa molded together with some epoxy and veil between. I wrapped the mold with cling wrap to keep the balsa being molded from sticking to the mold (due to epoxy leakage, though I scrapped almost all of it off). I then wrapped the balsa in cling wrap to keep the ace bandages I use for molding from sticking to the balsa. Worked fine as far as inadvertent gluing goes, but it also didn't let any water out, so the balsa was still soaking wet a week after being put into the mold. But the epoxy had mostly dried. Go figure.

So I pulled it apart and took out the cling wrap then wrapped it back up for a couple of days.

I built the rudder yesterday, too but it probably way overengineered. It's light at 1/4 oz, but is probably too complicated and I'm not sure I like it. I'll post a couple of pictures of the progress later. Should be ready to put it together into a complete plane in a few days. Also got the elevators started and the flaps.

The nose looks pretty cool. I'm leaning toward a simulated canopy at this point. The shape look neat and I can't really duplicate it with a plastic canopy short of molding my own. Not going there.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 01:48:19 PM »
Randy,
looking forward to the picts of progress. I truly enjoy your "overengineered" peices, usually those are the coolest ones. I cant beleive that you who makes all your own cool doodads doesnt want to make a canopy? heck thats easy compared to molding bellcranks and such, IMHO
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 03:50:06 PM »
Mark,

I've just never had much luck making canopies. Usually end up with a problem. We'll see. I'm kinda liking the simulated one at this point. But you never know.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2007, 05:55:07 PM »
Mark,

I've just never had much luck making canopies. Usually end up with a problem. We'll see. I'm kinda liking the simulated one at this point. But you never know.

I say go with the simulated one.  With your eye for art, you can do all the shading and fading of colors to make a painted on canopy really "POP". y1

I am way too lazy to spend the time with my airbrush doing that.

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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2007, 07:02:59 PM »
The planes coming along great Randy. Put a canopy on it and put a pilot in it. Drives the ARFers nuts.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2007, 10:31:41 PM »
Bill,

yea, I thought about doing some interesting fades with black, charcoal and maybe some dark blue. I noticed tonight I had some RC canopies (I've picked up maybe 30 of them over time) that have some potential. Just ahve to see how I feel about it when the time comes.

I poped the top block out of the mold and, surpirse, surprise, the glue didn't stick. Sigh... So, more glue. Weirdly, it stuck and cured fine on the CF veil. So I dumped that and reglued and put in more veil and clamped it all back together, but this time with dry wood. Guess we'll see what it looks like tomorrow. I have some really light 1" sheet I picked up from National Balsa. Easily 3lb stock. So I may just say poopie on in and use that.

Frank,

A clear canopy would look very cool, but I don't really have one that's just the right shape. I do have a sailplane canopy that's close and I may use that. As I say, we'll see. Maybe this weekend.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 09:04:19 PM »
After cutting out a half a million little pieces for the wing, going with a block canopy would be a crime.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 11:23:55 PM »
Peter,

But I could use a very cool fade paint job on it. I looked at it tonight and I just don't have one that will work. I thought about making a mold and trying to mold one, and I may still consider that.

Here are a couple of pictures of the roughed out fuselage. The rudder is for Mark. He loves overly complicated constructions. And that fin is certainly that. It does have the redeeming value that it only weighs .30 ounces. So that's something.

Keep in mind, it's just roughed out. Just a little shaping. A lot more to come. But I think it has a fairly cool shape overall. Not sure yet what I'm doing with the pipe outlet. But the general idea is there.

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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2007, 12:27:25 AM »
SWEET!!!!!!!

HEY,  you changed access hatch styles on me,, sheesh
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2007, 03:28:10 AM »
Peter,

But I could use a very cool fade paint job on it. I looked at it tonight and I just don't have one that will work. I thought about making a mold and trying to mold one, and I may still consider that.

Here are a couple of pictures of the roughed out fuselage. The rudder is for Mark. He loves overly complicated constructions. And that fin is certainly that. It does have the redeeming value that it only weighs .30 ounces. So that's something.

Keep in mind, it's just roughed out. Just a little shaping. A lot more to come. But I think it has a fairly cool shape overall. Not sure yet what I'm doing with the pipe outlet. But the general idea is there.

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Windy got the last 20 pointer at the NATS (AFAIK) with a painted/shaded canopy.  Just FYI........

Sir Thomas of Luper (an actual artist, BTW) had the most awesome painted on canopy on a ST 60 sized profile Hellcat that I have seen to date.  It had cockpit detail/pilot airbrushed on in a pale gray with all the detail.  This was with "highlights" airbrushed on, also.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2007, 10:13:53 AM »
Mark,

Wasn't enough room for a round hatch, unfortunately, so I improvised.

Bill,

Well, I'm not that talented with an airbrush. But I can probably do a fade of some type. Scott Urabe does some killer work. Here's a picture of his "Ninja". I'm going to have to ask him how he got that reflective effect.

Ty,

Eventually, I'm going to build a plane like this and use a transparent covering. But I haven't taken the time to "pretty up" the internal structure to allow that this time. Maybe next time.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2007, 04:55:15 PM »
Randy,
the starburst (reflective spark if you will) is done by really good airbrush guys freehand by starting at the center and doing a dagger stroke out which tapers the tips, however normal guys like me, well I cut a stencil from cardstock that has the double taper tips, and just hold it over the place, airbrush LOW pressure through it , rotate it spray again, repeat as neccessary. While doing this, your "mask" is the same size but you can just spray the center of it and it will make the tips shorter or longer depending upon how far you move the gun. If when you are done, you dont have enough center fuzz(for lack of a better word) then you can just gently freehand a light spot at the apex of the areas.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2007, 06:25:24 PM »
Mark,

Yea, I figured it was done with dagger strokes (or rat tails, as the the guy I learned with called them). Not sure I have a steady enough hand for it, but I've been practicing with the air brush a bit on a big art pad. I'm getting a bit better at it. Nice having a Paasche double action air brush that works pretty well. I'm getting the hang of it. I'll probably try it on a test piece and see if I can get away with it. I like the blue fade on Scott's plane, but I'd probably use either charcoal or darker blue for mine. It will go with the paint scheme better.
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Re: Not as far along as I would have liked.
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 10:37:06 PM »
Well, it's in one piece, mostly. Put it on the nose holder tonight. Just need to sand the thing down a bit and fit the cowls and gear then it's off to the races on the finish. Oh, whoops, I forgot. Still need to build the control surfaces too, but that won't take very long.

It's coming out pretty light. This is a plane that should have had a trike gear. That would have looks awesome. Sigh...
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