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Offline Charles Hofacker

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Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« on: July 04, 2015, 07:22:28 AM »
I've run up against this very basic problem before and it came up again while working on my latest project. What is your technique for shaping joining materials of different hardness? For example where you have ply wood laminated with balsa, as in the nose section, and you have to shape the nose down through the layers of balsa/ply/balsa? Or, similarly where you have edge grain joining a parallel grain? I usually use a sanding block and start with a course sand paper working my down to a finer grit. But on this project, like so many before it, I've removed more of the softer material than I wanted and left more of the harder material than I wanted. A related problem is sanding/shaping up to an inside corner. For example trying to shape/sand the fuselage up against the wing center section sheeting without messing up the wing sheeting.

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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2015, 08:45:35 AM »
Cover the wing with tape when sanding the fuselage near the wing sheeting. I usually sand the nose doublers to shape before they're glued on. You'll still have to hit the edges with 320 grit to finish them off.
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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2015, 09:55:59 AM »
Using tapes works in some cases.  Better to do as much pre-sanding on fuse and wing center sheeting before they are joined.  Sanding blocks and bars will prevent sanding deeper into softer materials if properly used. 
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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2015, 07:21:01 PM »
A couple things I picked up from Windy's videos may help. On blending a soft balsa top block into the plywood doubler at the nose, it helps to soak up the balsa with thin CyA. That way you're sanding more equally hard materials. At the wing to fuse. joint, a block that has a steep angle and comes to a point allows you to work into the joint without touching the parts you don't want to sand. I like making a block up with an angled end as well as a side for sanding places like that.

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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2015, 08:28:25 PM »
The Rude One on the right , or the center . with a handle .



dont go waving it around , DROP IT 9 on the aeroplane or parts 0 or put finished pieces on it and lean on them . Its HARD .
unhardened glue tends to clog the teeff . " File Finishing " is regard to panelwork is the tecnique , more or less .

You need a steady hand , and not ' cock it off ' doing angled seames , or you get huge gouges . Concentrateing on HARD
areas , Bearers / seams primarily gets these to ' finished hight ' afore ye Balsa wood .


different cuts & bluntnesses for different tasks . the Trianglar , Flat , and half round , with the rat tail . Sometimes usem
for sanding stixcks . Anyway any fuel knows to use Sanding Blocks , except the ones with wobbley finishes on their cars .

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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2015, 06:48:25 AM »
I just pay attention to what I'm doing. Where the sanding material is and, most important, the direction I'm sanding. No pressure or no sandpaper where I don't want it. Choice of paper helps.

I've never used metal files on wood, but I have a small rasp. I have used a small wood plane.

Covering areas with tape is a preventative for keeping sand paper off of an area. Especially rib tops. I've even used typing paper to keep sandpaper off surfaces.

I've masked with copper tapes for the nose ring and posted photos of that. With any masking, a couple of layers for starters.

I started a Thread, "Hand made modeling tools."

I was sanding a leading edge at the time and posted a few photos of simple tools you could make for that task.

I thought for sure there would be participation in that Thread, with all that building talent out there?
 
Here's the link, never to early or to late to share modeling ideas and secrets.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,37009.0.html

This nose has many different woods, both hard and soft, plus wood grain in many directions, not to mention CA and epoxy.

The spinner was the key, but before the spinner was used as a guide, the nose ring edge was masked with copper tape.




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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2015, 11:04:10 PM »
I have used some of all the techniques mentioned above.
One thing that I think was missed, is that when there are materials of various hardness meeting, use SHARP, FRESH sandpaper. while dull sandpaper will sand balsa, its less effective on harder materials, and the duller the paper, the more you will pay for this mistake, from my experience.
There appears to me to be a higher percentage of really skilled builders in C/L than in RC. I'm sure that comes as no surprise to a lot of you. Maybe it's just more old school builders here than elsewhere.
Anyway, I'm in great company, nowhere for me to go here but up.
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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2015, 11:05:34 PM »
To blend materials of varying hardness, use as coarse a paper as possible, with as little pressure as possible.

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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2015, 04:55:36 AM »
To blend materials of varying hardness, use as coarse a paper as possible, with as little pressure as possible.

    Brett

I've found that to work well especially if glued to a sanding block. Sanding strokes should start on the hardest material if possible and the block should be long enough that when the sanding stroke is finished, the block is still in contact with that hardest material. I use a piece of aluminum "T" extrusion 12" long with a single light coat of spray on contact cement.
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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2015, 10:32:33 AM »
I think it's all good advice.  I tend to think in terms of using sanding blocks and paying really good attention to what they're touching while I'm stroking.
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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2015, 06:30:27 AM »
One word...Perma-grit!
Ok, maybe thats two words... got a full set of the files of different shapes and never looked back.
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Re: Sanding/shaping joining materials of different hardness?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2015, 09:48:47 PM »
I've found that to work well especially if glued to a sanding block.

  Oh, absolutely, you should only use loose paper in very rare conditions!

     Eric is also right about Perma-Grit tools. Those are absolutely invaluable.

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