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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2013, 02:51:11 PM »
Seems it's coming out quite well. I look forward the the completed plane. I'm sure it will be awesome.
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2013, 03:16:51 PM »
Thanks Randy

I also look forward to seeing your ship finished. That wing of yours is some work... #^

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2013, 07:07:22 PM »
Marcus,

What's your trick, or how do you do that?

You get nothing but great remarks.   n~

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »
Quote from: Avaiojet on January 30, 2013, 07:07:22 PM
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What's your trick, or how do you do that?

You get nothing but great remarks.   n~

Charles

Marcus asks good questions and then follows the good advise given? Or did I misunderstand your n~ ?
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2013, 09:13:29 PM »
Quote from: Avaiojet on January 30, 2013, 07:07:22 PM
Marcus,

What's your trick, or how do you do that?

You get nothing but great remarks.   n~

Charles

Probably because he's building an actual Stunt model, using accepted practices....and will eventually complete it and fly it.

What a novel concept, huh?
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2013, 11:14:50 PM »
Marcus.

The wing looks fantastic! Cant wait to see the rest of it.
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2013, 09:08:04 AM »
Come on guys, let's be nice before the administrator gets upset.   Marcus is doing a gret job on the build from pictures he has posted.  I tried my own version of the Bobby Hunt's lost foam wing a few years back.   This was after watching his video several times.  My problem is finding vergin foam locally and I can't afford or have space like what Bobby gets.  Have done wings using the Tom Morris setup and uing the jig from CLC also.   They all work great when you follow instructions and have patience. 
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2013, 04:21:23 PM »
Finished shearing the TE, really smart move.

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2013, 04:47:50 PM »
Marcus,

Wow! looking really good.

1/16" or 3/32" ?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2013, 04:52:59 PM »
Used some scrap 1/16.
Can't wait to finish this wing #^ #^ #^

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2013, 06:04:43 PM »
Hi Marcus:

It looks as if you've shear webbed the back edge of the trailing edge. The TE cap will support that area; where you want the shear webs is at the front edge of the trailing edge opening between the two TE pieces...

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2013, 06:28:17 PM »
Bob,

While your here,

Do you rip the (all the pieces) for the whole length of that webbing? The distance should be the same all the way tip to tip.

If not, a constant width piece could correct differences.

Am I thinking correctly?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2013, 06:35:26 PM »
Hi Charles:

I custom fit each piece. I use a vernier to measure the gap and then transfer that to a piece of wood in a fixture that I made and slice the individual shear webs to size.

The photos should tell the story...

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2013, 11:44:58 PM »
Notice also, as on Bob's, the grain on the shear webs should be vertical.
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2013, 04:34:41 AM »
Guys

I did the shears vertically on the frnt part of the back sheeting.
What you saw inthe pic I got from Doug Moon's build thread, thought was a good thing to do...

Check the pics again

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2013, 07:15:36 AM »
I stand corrected, Marcus. But, you need to shear web those small spaces between the ribs as well!

I don't see the need for the aft shear web piece,s since the TE cap will do the same thing even better... y1

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2013, 07:29:03 AM »
Bob,

Thanks for the photos and the explanation.

1/16" or 3/32"?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2013, 10:44:53 AM »
Ups... I thought I wasn't supposed to shear the small spaces, but will do!

Weighted the wing again today... But you won't have to guess the weight n1

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2013, 11:11:19 AM »
Marcus,

You did put webbing at the front and rear of the TE top and bottom pieces?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2013, 02:02:11 AM »
Yeah, but I missed a few spots. LL~ LL~
Gonna add the missing sh#ar and capstrip hopefully today

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2013, 05:46:47 PM »
Capstrips OK :)!

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2013, 12:40:52 PM »
If mine only looked that good. 
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2013, 02:33:49 PM »
I'll install the BC and Leadouts later.
I'm going to work on the roght wing tip and weigh box, then I'll do the left tip, so I can carve any necessary ribs for the leaadouts to move freely.
I have to say that I think running the front leadout through the ribs where here's the shearwebs might be very fun... n~

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2013, 07:31:15 AM »
Quote from: MarcusCordeiro on February 11, 2013, 02:33:49 PM
I have to say that I think running the front leadout through the ribs where here's the shearwebs might be very fun... n~
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2013, 07:12:51 PM »
Quote from: Robert  Storick on February 12, 2013, 07:31:15 AM
Easy peasy. Use music wire as fish tape.

That's exactly how I do it too.
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2013, 09:26:43 PM »
Quote from: Doug Moon on February 12, 2013, 07:12:51 PM
That's exactly how I do it too.

As does most of us !!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #76 on: February 13, 2013, 04:06:49 AM »
And so will I..

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #77 on: February 13, 2013, 01:44:39 PM »
Quote from: MarcusCordeiro on February 13, 2013, 04:06:49 AM
And so will I..

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #78 on: February 24, 2013, 03:19:38 PM »
Marcus,

I've been patiently waiting.

Have you progressed any?

Installed the bellcrank and leadouts?

Get anything new done?

I want to know!!  LL~

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #79 on: February 24, 2013, 06:10:59 PM »
Good you asked...

Will be back at the wing this week, had been working on a combat model for a break.
Sometimes I like to study what I will do next, so I have a to-do list and don't get lost.
And needed to find a replacement for the basswood tension and compression relieve, got cedar...
And though it's not the wing, done some work on the fuselage.
As soon as I finish the wing, I'll start a thread on the building of this Thundergazer.
It's got to be airborne ASAP...

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #80 on: February 24, 2013, 06:28:06 PM »
Marcus,

I wish I could make a list. I can never seem to find a pencil.

The wing is removable?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #81 on: February 24, 2013, 06:59:17 PM »
It's looking very good, Marcus. That weight is awesome. Keep at it, man.
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #82 on: February 24, 2013, 07:23:47 PM »
Thanks Randy

Yes, Charles, it 'll be removable.
First time I will do one... Hope I don't add too much weight.
Going to work hard these days ;)

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2013, 09:16:09 AM »
Now that I'm getting close to finishing this wing, I can honestly say that the lost foam jig is a great way to build a straight wing.
With a little effort, one can achieve great result, even when you have never done it, like myself.
I know a lot of little things that I can do better for the next one, but am very happy with the result I got so far.
A couple more days...

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #84 on: February 27, 2013, 09:51:48 AM »
And it will get easier with each one you build as you will learn the little short cuts.  The wing looks great.   
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #85 on: February 27, 2013, 10:18:47 AM »
Quote from: john e. holliday on February 27, 2013, 09:51:48 AM
And it will get easier with each one you build as you will learn the little short cuts.  The wing looks great.   

Thanks John!
Since I decided to start flying in contests, I chose the ThunderGazer as the ship for that.
In Brasil we fly FAI rules, and when the TG was designed for that... VD~
To get a really good one, I should build some, and 3 are planned, one after the other.
This first one will have one Enya 61 RE, and the other two will be eletric.
I was going to make this one eletric, but I know I have to learn more about it before attempting such a move. S?P
Never bite off more than you can chew...

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #86 on: February 27, 2013, 01:25:51 PM »
Very slick. And the lost foam system produces a light wing.
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #87 on: February 27, 2013, 04:40:05 PM »
Hi Marcus,

Will you be using fuse or wing mounted gear?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #88 on: February 27, 2013, 05:30:43 PM »
Fuse mounted.

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2013, 06:40:53 PM »
Marcus,

I took the drive over here and I see you haven't made an entry in three weeks.

What's goin?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2013, 07:35:15 PM »
I had to attend some events and was practicing for some contests, but will be back at it by the end of this week.
Then, will stop only when it's finished.
By the way, I got the Enya 61 CXLS to haul this bird...
Will have some new pics soon enough.

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #91 on: March 20, 2013, 04:48:21 AM »
Marcus,

Aren't Enya's kinda heavy?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #92 on: March 20, 2013, 08:17:36 AM »
Yeah, we keep forgetting they are now getting into their winter time.   Hope he did well in his contests.   
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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #93 on: March 20, 2013, 12:02:07 PM »
Quote from: john e. holliday on March 20, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
Yeah, we keep forgetting they are now getting into their winter time.   Hope he did well in his contests.   

Fall started today at around 8:22am, local time.
It was 3 events, one after the other, 2 contests and a meeting.
First contest I sucked and the wind sucked even more...
The meeting was a lot of fun.
The second contest, got 3rd place, a medal and lots of new friends.
Charles, the Enya 61 CXLS weights 339 gr, a little over 11oz if my calculation is not wrong.
I'm going to use Randy's header and pipe.
I'm not the expert, but I don't think this engine is that heavy, considering the excellent power output you get.



This is my friend and "sponsor" Martin doing his thing at Copa Brasil last year.
Thundergazer+Enya 61

Doc, Fall/Winter is actually better than Summer, it doesn't rain very often, the wind is calm and we don't cook under the sun.
I needed to get the engine and some hardware to continue.
It seems I got almost all, only missing 2 sheets of 1/4X4 and will be good to go, but next move is tension/compression relieve and bellcrank/leadouts + center sheeting.

Just curious how you guys bend your horns, since I'll have to do it too.
Any suggestions??

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2013, 03:45:47 PM »
Marcus,

That's not the Enya engines I remember. The ones I'm farmiliar with have a removable front case as the rear backplate, four bolts.

Made for CL?

Looks like a great engine with a light case.

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #95 on: March 25, 2013, 04:30:43 AM »
Will resume building today, the wing I mean.
But haven't been slacking, got the engine mounts done, bent the flap horn the old way, soldered the BC retainers.

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2013, 05:14:01 AM »
Quote from: MarcusCordeiro on March 25, 2013, 04:30:43 AM
Will resume building today, the wing I mean.
But haven't been slacking, got the engine mounts done, bent the flap horn the old way, soldered the BC retainers.Marcus

Marcus,

Where did you get the two aluminim mounts. They are tapered. You made them?

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #97 on: March 25, 2013, 10:16:04 AM »
That's the universal mounts Brodak sells.
I had to grind a little to give it the right shape.
I like this kind of mount 'cause it's way easy to change motors...

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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2013, 04:21:10 PM »
Wing joiners Ok...
I'll have this wing finished soon.
Next is the center sheeting, easy, then gluing everything while installing the BC.


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Re: Lost Foam Jig: my first time
« Reply #99 on: March 27, 2013, 10:52:08 AM »
Center sheeting... Almost there #^ #^ #^

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