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Title: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 21, 2022, 09:04:34 AM
While the primer dries on my Pathfinder i started this new project
Came a across a partial short kit of Kaz Minato Hellcat ( cut by Bene Rodrigues ages ago)
i intent to finish with a scale painting so i can compete on the sport scale Brazilian F4B nats next year ( sport scale have loose rules so anybody can enter and feel the taste of scale competition)
30% of points are outline fidelity and 70% flight, so i may have a chance to score something
unfortunately i tried all my best to locate Beneīs plans and had no sucess ( he doesenīt seem to have them too) but i managed to get some nice information fro Chris Cox that built a similar sized plane and went gold on Nats. He was very helpfull to share some plans with me and i am working part with his plas part guessing the placing of parts as this kit is slightly different
hope you enjoy the ride
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 21, 2022, 09:05:58 AM
painting decided, and probably will be e-powered.
iīve heard itīs based on Kaz Blue Max so i expect a nice flying bird
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Brent Williams on November 21, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
This Blue-Max / Hellcat overlay might be helpful.  I think both of these images came from Kaz's site.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 21, 2022, 01:07:57 PM
This Blue-Max / Hellcat overlay might be helpful.  I think both of these images came from Kaz's site.
thanks a lot Brent! the second plant will be great to use!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Lauri Malila on November 21, 2022, 01:29:28 PM
I remember Kaz saying that for FAI use he'd lengthen the tail moment 1" and also shorten the nose too. But the models that he has are a little different, fully molded. L
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 21, 2022, 04:51:41 PM
this oneīs for F4B, a porky flyer but scored great on  last nats
i will be busy on 2 categories
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on November 21, 2022, 07:44:55 PM
this oneīs for F4B, a porky flyer but scored great on  last nats
i will be busy on 2 categories

 Exceptionally well done model, but I don't understand the green windshield?
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 22, 2022, 03:14:15 AM
Exceptionally well done model, but I don't understand the green windshield?
thank you, the full size is tinted too ( albeit a little different shade, but these transparent are hard to match)
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 22, 2022, 04:39:58 AM
i am curious about final weight, never had a F2b fully sheeted/build up wing
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 24, 2022, 03:56:43 AM
not bad weight for a 60" wing. still needs wingtips, flaps, horn & landing gear. next is fuselage
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 25, 2022, 03:17:06 PM
now letīs make some fuselage to stick this wing
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 29, 2022, 05:37:31 AM
cockpit on the works
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 29, 2022, 05:38:27 AM
modified the formers for a more scale like profile
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 29, 2022, 05:39:48 AM
decided to kit the formers in half and build 2 shells so i could align the frame perfetcly
such pearl like body would be a nightmare to jig properly.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 29, 2022, 10:57:19 AM
ready for planking
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on November 29, 2022, 08:26:33 PM

 Looking great!  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on November 30, 2022, 04:22:38 AM
Looking great!  y1
thank you Wayne!
finally started to look like an airplane
canīt wait to take this half off the bench.
so far i am pleased with this method and overall weight / stifness
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 01, 2022, 10:26:15 AM
started to look like a hellcat
fuse half shell is amazing light 100 grams 3,5oz ( still to finish sheeting on the bottom ) and add the e-power nose section
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 02, 2022, 08:49:17 AM
fuse side planking done
next is B side
hope i am not talking alone here  ;D
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on December 02, 2022, 12:54:32 PM
Very nice!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Brett Buck on December 02, 2022, 05:30:24 PM
fuse side planking done
next is B side
hope i am not talking alone here  ;D

  You are not, I am watching and it looks really good!

    Brett
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on December 02, 2022, 10:51:41 PM
  You are not, I am watching and it looks really good!

    Brett

 Same here, checking in daily.  D>K
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 07, 2022, 04:14:03 PM
thanks for the return guys! as we have hardly any interaction here, seems like i am talking alone LOL
not much progress, started the other half of fuse after a few off days on the beach
hope to glue fuse halves before vacations next 17th



Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Mike Morrow on December 08, 2022, 06:21:57 AM
Checking everyday too.  Watching and learning.

Mike

Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Air Ministry . on December 08, 2022, 08:59:05 PM
Far Out ,

Royal Navy & fleet air arm .  :(

(https://www.super-hobby.com/zdjecia/0/7/1/175_rd.jpg)

(https://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/medibigoff/0ab3bf40ec862706fc9f21dd4499c4ae/mev-11952274.jpg)
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on December 08, 2022, 10:14:21 PM

 I've always thought this would be a great paint scheme for a Hellcat Stunter... S?P

Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 09, 2022, 03:39:26 AM
both looks good indeed!
and out of the ordinary
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 12, 2022, 03:04:05 AM
fuse shells done, and the weight difference betwen them are just 2 grams, happy with the result.
this sums up 2022 work on the hellcat, leaving for a 2 week vacation
goal is to finish before may for brazilian scale nats
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on December 12, 2022, 08:30:01 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on December 12, 2022, 09:45:45 PM
both looks good indeed!

 Both? Both pictures represent the same scheme.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 13, 2022, 02:42:39 AM
Both? Both pictures represent the same scheme.
your post of US Navy scheme and the previous one Royal Navy, both are great choices as they stray from the commom all blue Hellcats
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on December 13, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
your post of US Navy scheme and the previous one Royal Navy, both are great choices as they stray from the commom all blue Hellcats

 Ahh, got it.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: kevin king on December 21, 2022, 08:53:27 PM
Fred, what kind of wing jig are you using?

Kevin
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 22, 2022, 06:45:28 AM
Fred, what kind of wing jig are you using?

Kevin
itīs a custom made jig Kevin , alluminium L 2" x 2" with sliding alluminium 1/2" x 1/4" bars d=for the TE and a 45 degree machine in one face similar bar for the LE ( one side is 90 degress and the oposite 45 so i can use it for diamond shaped LE or straight LE.
the pitures shows the side views ( wing is off the jig, for other purpose)
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on December 22, 2022, 06:46:06 AM
TE view
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on January 09, 2023, 03:00:59 AM
back from short vacation
tail group ready, came out light, now looks like a revell kit, just need final assembly
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on January 09, 2023, 09:08:01 PM

 Welcome back Fred, still keeping an eye on this one.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on January 09, 2023, 09:12:34 PM
Ditto!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on January 10, 2023, 02:58:08 AM
Welcome back Fred, still keeping an eye on this one.  y1
thanks guys! had to step back and re-do the flaps sheeting! mistakenly used 3/32 and when finished ( sanded and added hinges) found out they are almost 1/8 higher than wing TE....after new sheeting set, will start to put main parts toguether.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on January 17, 2023, 04:55:27 AM
getting closer, fuse sides glued
now comes wing alignment, tail group and finishing process
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on January 18, 2023, 06:24:23 AM
That is some nice work.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on February 07, 2023, 09:51:28 AM
back from short vacations
need to assemble fin/rudder, tail cone, nose cowl, bent landing gear, vac form cockpit and make the engine support.
close to finishing process
plane looks amazing indeed, hell of a job from Mr Kaz Minato!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on February 13, 2023, 02:27:21 PM
sheīs almost ready for finish
needs to vac form canopy, make the nose ring and glue the engine stand
wieght so far is great 4,23 oz with lading gear less engine/wheels
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on February 15, 2023, 04:36:43 AM
home made vc form working
made a test with unfinisehd plug just to check proportion and make fuselage fit before finish.
later will polish the plug and produce the final canopy
frame will be painted
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on February 15, 2023, 08:15:35 AM
Wonderful Fred!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on February 15, 2023, 12:16:19 PM
Hi Fred. I have been watching in absolute awe. The Hellcat is one of my all time favorite planes. I grew up under them in Nevada during WW2.  They flew over our house every day. 

Your building is extremely neat and a lesson on how to do it right..  H^^ y1 #^

thank you guys! i am really excited and please how this plane is going on! started as a "side plane" for sport scale competition but more and more looks like a contender for sunt F2b!
i love the look of the Hellcat, must be such a view from your youth!
never had the chance to see one, not even at museum. Hopefully one day
will be back soon
regards!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on February 23, 2023, 07:03:34 AM
double sanding day
dope on the hellcat and primer on the pathfinder LE
looks like iīll have 2 new planes by july, hopefully!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 01, 2023, 03:56:28 AM
flying surfaces on silkspan and fuse on carbon veil gala dress
now letīs enjoy the dope fumes for a week or so and then comes primer
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 01, 2023, 03:24:00 PM
cowl basic plug is almost ready to be molded in fiberglass
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on March 01, 2023, 07:13:20 PM
Sweeeet!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 01, 2023, 07:30:58 PM

 Looking really good! Nice work on the cowl detail too, looks like it should.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 02, 2023, 06:37:03 AM
thanks Crist and Warbird !
i am very pleased with weight and overall look so far, hope turns out a good stunt model
hopefully will be ready on primer by the end of this month if rain give a break
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 02, 2023, 06:08:08 PM

 Being from Kaz I'd anticipate it being better than good. Decide on a paint scheme yet?
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 03, 2023, 05:49:15 AM
Being from Kaz I'd anticipate it being better than good. Decide on a paint scheme yet?
i bet ti will! based on Blue max platform....so...
the painting will be a long time fave, will do some ink lines and battle wear
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 03, 2023, 07:03:37 PM
i bet ti will! based on Blue max platform....so...
the painting will be a long time fave, will do some ink lines and battle wear

 Awesome! Hoping that "battle wear" means adding exhaust residue, gun residue, general weathering etc.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 03, 2023, 09:07:52 PM

 Just in case, here's some help with the mouth detail...


Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 03, 2023, 09:11:02 PM
 Another pic, and a link with a bunch more...

  https://www.google.com/search?q=planes%20of%20fame%20hellcat&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CdwAKKYhANXVYVJAuftnyLvCsgIMCgIIABAAOgQIARAAwAIA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBoQuIIBahgKEwjIy4WKscH9AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQiAE&biw=1349&bih=600
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 03, 2023, 09:29:18 PM
 A great detail reference for weathering the belly...  S?P ;D
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Air Ministry . on March 06, 2023, 09:02:10 PM
Seems the Red Baron flew them too .  S?P

(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hellcat/NAS/images/Grumman-F6F-5K-Hellcat-No-11-drone-and-target-aircraft-post-war-01.JPG)

(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hellcat/NAS/images/Grumman-F6F-5K-Hellcat-brightly-colored-drone-and-target-aircraft-post-war-01.jpg)

(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hellcat/VU/images/Grumman-F6F-5K-Hellcat-VU-3-White-UF-BuNo-94473-01.jpg)

And the orange Baron ,

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/F6F_target_drone.jpg)

The Yellow Baron ,

(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hellcat/F6F-3/images/Grumman-F6F-3K-Hellcat-brightly-colored-drone-and-target-aircraft-post-war-02.jpg)

A red & yellow Baron ? Dont mind the Wing Tips !

(http://www.pmcn.de/MF.3/F6F-5K.red/F6F-5K.red.01.jpg)

AND SOMEWHAT TRADITIONAL .
(https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Hellcat/VU/images/Grumman-F6F-5K-Hellcat-VU-1-UA15-Oahu-Hawaii-17th-Sep-1959-0A.jpg)

SORRY ABOUT THAT , Chief . Theres even a natural metal silver prototype , if youre not keen on BLUE .  :( 

(https://coollib.com/i/39/266039/pic_96.jpg)





Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Air Ministry . on March 06, 2023, 09:13:17 PM
GRRRR . . .

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/520641/)
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 07, 2023, 09:59:51 AM
thank you all guys for the great information! will be used as reference for sure!
some GREAT pictures here indeed
fiberglass nose done, just need to open the air intakes
a few more dope / sanding and will be ready for primer!
will keep you updated
Regards!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on March 07, 2023, 10:09:42 AM
It's going to be beautiful!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 07, 2023, 08:11:06 PM

 Looks really great, but I'm not understanding the process on the cowl opening. I thought the first picture with the open lower cooler intakes was going to be it, but now they're closed up.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 08, 2023, 03:12:09 AM
Looks really great, but I'm not understanding the process on the cowl opening. I thought the first picture with the open lower cooler intakes was going to be it, but now they're closed up.

first picture is a 3d plastic part, used to to make the fiberglass mold. second picture is the molded part yet to have the opening cut
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 08, 2023, 09:36:13 PM

 Ok, I can see the the 3D material in the first photo now. I guess I'd assumed it was the final product because it was already blended into the fuselage.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 15, 2023, 01:08:43 PM
i blended the 3d part to fit so when i vac formed the mold the final size was perfect as the part needed minor adjustment
now both planes are ready for final sandind and the fun begins
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on March 15, 2023, 06:02:27 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 30, 2023, 03:54:02 AM
first primer shot sanded, few spots to be corrected, and another last light coat of primer and weīre good to go
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on March 30, 2023, 08:13:24 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 30, 2023, 06:58:30 PM

 Looking good. I'm surprised the canopy isn't glued in and filled yet?
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on March 31, 2023, 05:29:53 AM
Looking good. I'm surprised the canopy isn't glued in and filled yet?
thanks! will be glued after plane is finished and dull clear coated. the real thing donīt have it blended to the painting as we do on our F2b, you can see them attached, so for the sake of some scale looks, will do like this.
truth: the cockpit 3d partes are being made and i will have them later, soo...... ;D
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on March 31, 2023, 08:58:40 PM
thanks! will be glued after plane is finished and dull clear coated. the real thing donīt have it blended to the painting as we do on our F2b, you can see them attached, so for the sake of some scale looks, will do like this.
truth: the cockpit 3d partes are being made and i will have them later, soo...... ;D

 10-4. I like the scale consideration but my only concern is it coming loose on you at some point. Don't get in a rush just because your 3D parts aren't quite ready, now is the time to make the final decision.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on April 03, 2023, 07:26:39 AM

 10-4. I like the scale consideration but my only concern is it coming loose on you at some point. Don't get in a rush just because your 3D parts aren't quite ready, now is the time to make the final decision.
i have a tight schelude until next brasilian nats, so i have to hurry up
as for canopy i never had a loose one, even on 1/3 scale gas r/cmodels, itīs just a matter of right glue / proper mathod.
on monokoted models i use "RC56 canopy glue" and on painted models 30 mim epoxy ( i dull the 1/8 inside lip with 150 grit sandpaper) and expose some wood on the fuselage underneath the painted "frame" so it will suck epoxy and be invisible.
more work but the scale look is perfect.
but thanks for the heads up, always good to have nice input on the buulding!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on April 03, 2023, 07:31:31 PM
i have a tight schelude until next brasilian nats, so i have to hurry up
as for canopy i never had a loose one, even on 1/3 scale gas r/cmodels, itīs just a matter of right glue / proper mathod.
on monokoted models i use "RC56 canopy glue" and on painted models 30 mim epoxy ( i dull the 1/8 inside lip with 150 grit sandpaper) and expose some wood on the fuselage underneath the painted "frame" so it will suck epoxy and be invisible.
more work but the scale look is perfect.
but thanks for the heads up, always good to have nice input on the buulding!

 Just a thought, I figured you knew what you're doing, carry on!  ;D
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on April 14, 2023, 07:29:56 AM
fun begins! white underside is done, next comes the light blue
45 days to brazilian Nats
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on April 14, 2023, 07:44:41 AM
Looking good.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 09, 2023, 05:23:32 PM
Ok, back to the game and close to the finish line!
Brazilian Nats will be next 23 so i have 2 weeks tops to finish and test fly!
had a setback: painted the white and intermediate light blue last week. i was about to paint the navy blue on the weekend but something was bothering me...
the white lacquer paint i have used was not the usuall brand i work. Auto paint shops now are selling only cheap brands and due to the time frame i opted for what they have. HUGE mistake! i painted the bottom of the plane and used about 1/2 liter! and still covering wasnīt good. after a few days the paint was still a little tacky. I opted to go ahead, mad with the weight penalty and sub par finish. after a sleepless night i took lacquer thinner and removed all of the paint!
bought online my usual brand and started again ( not so bad as the primer used was 2K so the thinner preserved the finish)
guess what? used 1/4 of the bottle! the pigment was far superior! now i have painted bottom insignia and the intermediate blue with a free hand airbrush. tomorrow will be the navy blue....the clock is ticking
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on May 09, 2023, 08:47:33 PM
Looks real nice Fred!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 09, 2023, 09:18:00 PM

 Awesome, thanks for the update!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 12, 2023, 05:37:45 PM
night, rainy and paint keeps coming
tomorrow is insiginia day and hopefully sharkmouth too
thanks Crist and Wwarbird for the comments and for the input, itīs good to have some interaction here
9 days to competition, not sure if iīll make it, but iīll do my best
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 13, 2023, 09:27:32 PM
night, rainy and paint keeps coming
tomorrow is insiginia day and hopefully sharkmouth too
thanks Crist and Wwarbird for the comments and for the input, itīs good to have some interaction here
9 days to competition, not sure if iīll make it, but iīll do my best

 Looking really good, don't rush it just for the contest.  n1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 14, 2023, 09:04:27 AM
thenk you Wayne
a bit more progress, now comes ink lines, weathering and clear coat
will try to finish in time, just too much effort to miss the date
if i clear coat on wednesday iīll be able to test fly friday
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 14, 2023, 12:35:21 PM
 Just keeps getting better, I'm assuming all the graphics are paint?
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 15, 2023, 07:34:42 AM
Just keeps getting better, I'm assuming all the graphics are paint?
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Thanks Wayne, all painted
almost like the real thing ( i am pretty sure the sharkmouth was hand painted)
unfortunately i have no dexterity for it
now comes the fun part: ink lines
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 16, 2023, 08:31:47 AM
hope Lt Stambook can trace a good pattern with the supplyed instruments
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Ken Culbertson on May 16, 2023, 08:48:38 AM
 LL~
hope Lt Stambook can trace a good pattern with the supplyed instruments
You could help him by displaying the maneuvers on the gunsight (hud). I just love cockpits.  No Stunter, especially a semi-scale should be without one.  Beautiful plane!

Ken
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 16, 2023, 09:24:15 AM
LL~You could help him by displaying the maneuvers on the gunsight (hud). I just love cockpits.  No Stunter, especially a semi-scale should be without one.  Beautiful plane!

Ken
good point Ken ;D! thanks
i do love build them, last year i had made a full job for a FW190 1/4,5 scale
with 3d printers, laser printers and some ingenuity you can do some pretty decent job nowadays
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Ken Culbertson on May 16, 2023, 11:15:46 AM
good point Ken ;D! thanks
i do love build them, last year i had made a full job for a FW190 1/4,5 scale
with 3d printers, laser printers and some ingenuity you can do some pretty decent job nowadays
WOW, that could pass for real.  :)!

Makes mine look like a toy!

Ken
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 16, 2023, 01:39:29 PM
WOW, that could pass for real.  :)!

Makes mine look like a toy!

Ken
thanks Ken! this plane turned out pretty close to scale, i was aiming for the USA Top Gun tournament, unfortunately the ownwe sold it and the actual owner has no desire to compete
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 16, 2023, 01:40:39 PM
back to the Hellcat
dry fit of parts, weight before clear coat is 1170 grams, i am pleased with the result
now comes the ink lines, weathering and clear coat.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on May 16, 2023, 07:00:14 PM
Outstanding Fred!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 16, 2023, 08:27:45 PM

 Very impressive work Fred.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 17, 2023, 05:58:13 PM
thanks Chris and Wayne!
finally done with the ink lines
tomorrow will do a bit of weathering and clear coat
hopefully will fly friday afternoon or saturday at least, just to set the timer and speed laps
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 17, 2023, 09:24:34 PM
 Wow, excellent detail. So nice to see ink work representative of true scale instead of just a bunch of random lines and shapes. It's this type of attention and effort that separates the master models from the rest. This is quickly becoming one of my all time favorite models.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Ken Culbertson on May 17, 2023, 10:00:50 PM
thanks Chris and Wayne!
finally done with the ink lines
tomorrow will do a bit of weathering and clear coat
hopefully will fly friday afternoon or saturday at least, just to set the timer and speed laps

The $64,000 question - will the clear be shine or satin? LL~

I am loving this plane.

Ken
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 17, 2023, 10:31:02 PM
The $64,000 question - will the clear be shine or satin? LL~

I am loving this plane.

Ken

 No doubt it will be awesome either way.

 This brings to mind Burns' Wildcat stunter that was done in satin. Only because it was a stunt model did the finish become controversial. There is no debating though that it was one of the most well detailed and finished C/L models ever, ultimately cool in the final product. If it's a military type design for example, and the builder chooses an appropriate satin finish, so be it. Shiny or satin, stunt model or not, in cases like these the judges should be looking at the quality of the work and not be biased toward a shiny finish just because it's a stunt model. After all, we call these type of stunters "semi-scale", right?
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 18, 2023, 03:23:30 PM
Wow, excellent detail. So nice to see ink work representative of true scale instead of just a bunch of random lines and shapes. It's this type of attention and effort that separates the master models from the rest. This is quickly becoming one of my all time favorite models.  y1
Thank you Wayne, i have used a 3 view drawing of the F6 to emulate the panelling, with a lot of adaptations to look similar, but i had to let a lot of stuff out as would be too much in such model. so far i am pleased with the result.
Actually thatīs my apporach on F2b models ink lines, using real airplane similar panelling, otherwise looks like a cartoon
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 18, 2023, 03:25:32 PM
The $64,000 question - will the clear be shine or satin? LL~

I am loving this plane.

Ken
being a scale modeller by heart, i had no doubts  ;D
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 18, 2023, 03:29:28 PM
No doubt it will be awesome either way.

 This brings to mind Burns' Wildcat stunter that was done in satin. Only because it was a stunt model did the finish become controversial. There is no debating though that it was one of the most well detailed and finished C/L models ever, ultimately cool in the final product. If it's a military type design for example, and the builder chooses an appropriate satin finish, so be it. Shiny or satin, stunt model or not, in cases like these the judges should be looking at the quality of the work and not be biased toward a shiny finish just because it's a stunt model. After all, we call these type of stunters "semi-scale", right?

thatīs kind of shortseeing, either shiny or satin or matt what counts for me is the final work. i had no doubts, matt closer to the real thing. unfortunately we have no points for finish, so i had nothing to loose and honestly a shiny warbird looks odd.
sheīs drying the clear coat now, tomorrow will add hinges, install engines, check CG, add cockít and get ready for test fly.
3 days to competition...
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 18, 2023, 08:25:45 PM

 Beautiful, and I love that you opted for a satin finish, it looks PERFECT! Can't wait to see a bunch of fully assembled ready-to-fly photos.
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Matt Colan on May 19, 2023, 01:07:25 AM
Outstanding work Fred!!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 23, 2023, 08:49:40 PM

 Any updates Fred? Did you and the Hellcat make the contest?
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 25, 2023, 02:28:08 PM
dear friends!
GOOD NEWS
she flies straight from the board, no trim issues so far!
i was able to test fly the day before competition. firs 4 flights of 1 minute was to set the timer speed.
Then moved the cables a little backwards and fun begun! This is my best F2B airplane until now, flyes graciously, straight, perform tight corners and round maneuvers with precision. One funny thing is that maybe due to the porky fuselage she looks slow on the pattern, but do it with confidence and precison, i could not be more pleased!
Kaz Minato did a great job on his design!
I placed 4th on the "sport scale" The rules on sport are 30% regarding static and 70% flight ( this was made to bring newcomers to scale world, even if they donīt build the planes themselves). I have achieved almost a perfect score on the Static ( i know, the rules are light regarding scale profile) and the flight was not so scale as i had only 3 flights before competition, so instead of a rehearsed scale routine i flew like an F2b ship, other thing is that electric engines lacks the notes for "realism of noise" so i was penalized on that as well.
Anyway i have reached my goal: finish a good F2B plane that resembles a full size bird. On the F4B competiton i went second with the Smith Biplane. Had excellent static score but flight was plagued by malfunction of the 3 cable system, i could not idle porperly.
Still absolutely happy with the competition outcome ( will make a full report sooner)
thanks a lot for the support you guys have given me!
next? well... letīs paint that Pathfinder LE and battle to see wich planes flyes better

Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 25, 2023, 02:28:56 PM
first flight before adding pilot and instrument panel
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 25, 2023, 02:30:22 PM
now in full regalia
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 25, 2023, 02:30:51 PM
sharkmouth
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 25, 2023, 02:33:53 PM
with full cockpit
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Crist Rigotti on May 25, 2023, 06:35:41 PM
Well done !
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Will Hinton on May 25, 2023, 08:02:49 PM
Fantastic!  Way to go. H^^
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: wwwarbird on May 25, 2023, 08:34:30 PM
 Thanks for the update and great photos Fred. You're Hellcat is extremely well done and perfectly detailed and finished, good luck with it and be proud.  y1
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: Matt Colan on May 25, 2023, 08:55:13 PM
Beautiful work!!! Love the white ink lines!
Title: Re: Kaz Minato Hellcat
Post by: fred cesquim on May 31, 2023, 05:34:42 AM
thank you all guys, i really enjoyed building this plane, and you have been most encouraging thorugh the process
next weekend iīll put some serius flight on her now that the scale competition has gone
will swithc to F2B mode now
back to the Pathfinder finish...talk to you soon guys
regards from Brazil