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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2014, 03:41:41 PM »
Well its all framed up and to the point where I weigh the planes before adding covering. The EV2 was Airframe before paint 21.20  and this one is 19.10 two ounces lighter than the Viper before it. That means all things being equal in finish 6.5. I can mover the battery farther back and still be in balance. Gross weight target now is 53 ounces. That means I will probably end up 54 and I can live with that.

I am also using a lighter motor on this one the Cobra 3515/18 and moving the esc farther back.
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2014, 03:46:07 PM »
You cut wight, then you did real good.

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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2014, 03:58:21 PM »
Most of it was in the spar. The second one had a white pine spar and the third one has a balsa spar. Lets hope I eyeball engineered it right.
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2014, 08:26:06 PM »
Please do I would like to know how much centrifugal force is applied if the engine quits.

 Whoah, Whoah, Whoah, wait a minute. If we go back toward the beginning of this thread didn't this latest "exchange" start out talking about engine offset? If the engine quits, especially overhead, no amount of engine offset is going to help.

 Also, and I'm no Fississist either, but as long as the plane is moving forward at all there is going to a certain amount of centrifugal force produced. It may not be enough to feel or measure, but it's there. At a normal flying speed of say 50 plus MPH I could easily see that force having a stronger effect on the plane than gravity.
 This theory can be easily tested, and proven, with a rock and a string. There were some really hairy knuckle-dragger dudes thousands of years ago that figured that one out, shortly before the wheel I think. :##
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2014, 09:36:50 AM »
All I know from experience  is that if my engine quits at the top of the circle, I give the plane down elevator to get line tension back.  It when I give up without thinking that things bad happens.   Sparky, is there a limit on how light a plane can be for it given size?
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2014, 10:54:47 PM »
All I know from experience  is that if my engine quits at the top of the circle, I give the plane down elevator to get line tension back.  It when I give up without thinking that things bad happens.   Sparky, is there a limit on how light a plane can be for it given size?

With the fixed weights now a days and the quality of wood available I think I have reached the limit with this type of construction. So if anyone says they can build it too light they will need to show me. Not tell me SHOW ME.
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2014, 08:41:40 AM »
Well I tried once to build a super light airplane.  But, I am club fisted and by the time I got it all glued up and finished the plane weighed as much as some of my other planes.   Had a long talk with Walter U. about the super light wood a year or so ago.  Yes the wood was super light, but I kept punching holes in the sheeting while working on the plane.  Also there is the stress cracks some of the wood has from the tree when it was growing or was going through the mill. 
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2014, 09:31:25 AM »
Good Morning Robert;

  Given the pace at which you build, I assume you use CA as your primary adhesive.  I've heard it said in the past that CA is actually heavier than aliphatic resin (AR) adhesive (due the evaporation of water/moisture from the latter as it cures).

  Since you are such a prolific and skilled builder, you would likely represent a preferred trial scenario.  Have you ever constructed two of the same part/sub-assemblies, one with CA and the other using AR as the adhesive?

  It would be interesting to see whether there is really a significant weight savings versus CA, and if there is it may provide you the pathway to a still lighter model...

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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2014, 10:10:22 AM »
Good Morning Robert;

  Given the pace at which you build, I assume you use CA as your primary adhesive.  I've heard it said in the past that CA is actually heavier than aliphatic resin (AR) adhesive (due the evaporation of water/moisture from the latter as it cures).

  Since you are such a prolific and skilled builder, you would likely represent a preferred trial scenario.  Have you ever constructed two of the same part/sub-assemblies, one with CA and the other using AR as the adhesive?

  It would be interesting to see whether there is really a significant weight savings versus CA, and if there is it may provide you the pathway to a still lighter model...

All the best,
Dave

I don't know if there is a weight deference, but I just started using double glued  AR. Boy is it strong. I am now using it in many places I would have used epoxy. Yes I still use epoxy in very critical places, like firewalls, etc.

Time consuming, real time consuming. Saves a lot of glue money though. ;D ;D

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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2014, 06:11:28 PM »
Good Morning Robert;

  I've heard it said in the past that CA is actually heavier than aliphatic resin (AR) adhesive (due the evaporation of water/moisture from the latter as it cures).

  Since you are such a prolific and skilled builder, you would likely represent a preferred trial scenario.  Have you ever constructed two of the same part/sub-assemblies, one with CA and the other using AR as the adhesive?

  It would be interesting to see whether there is really a significant weight savings versus CA, and if there is it may provide you the pathway to a still lighter model...


 I've also heard that many times over the years, but I haven't ever tested or compared the difference.
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Re: I have been slacking so I started this
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2014, 06:28:55 PM »
I could not say. I like CA for its speed.
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