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Online Joseph Lijoi

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How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« on: March 10, 2011, 09:31:01 AM »
When I go to buy wood even the straightest sheets have a slight bow.  How do you take this out?  Nothing crazy.  I won't buy it it is.  Can you stress relieve balsa to make it more stable?

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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 09:49:59 AM »
If you buy quarter grain wood its usually a lot straighter than other grain patterns! You could try spraying it with water or alcohol and putting it under heavy weights for 24hrs ? I usually find that as soon as I get the wood out of model shop it tends to go all shapes ??? If you buy two pieces with a similar bow you have the curves for your fuselage sides! I've done that before ;D

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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2011, 05:09:33 AM »
Much like Ty says, but I'd like to share this little tidbit. On straightening sheets by trimming the edges. sometimes you need the full width, we would sometimes slit a sheet down the center and the swap the halves rejoining the curved edges. It works.
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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 02:56:26 PM »
If you can stand the smell and the wife doesn't throw you out,  Use Amonia.   Doesn't take much in a bath tub to get it pliable.  Have a straight flat surface to lay it on with another flat surface to put on top.  Let sit for a week or more.   I vaguely remember  that using Amonia will releive all the wood fibers.
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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2011, 06:05:37 PM »
Yes there are sheets of 1/16th with bows along the edge.  That is where a good metal straight edge and razor blade come into play.    But, what good is it to try and get a good straight edge if the wood will not lay flat?   even the thicker peices of balsa do not have good straight edges and some times look like a good candidate for a low pitch propellor.   But, if you don't releive the stresses in the wood, as you trim one edge to a nice straight edge it might bow the other way.  Have had it happen numerous times unless you sneak up on the trimming process.   HB~>
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Re: How do you stress relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2011, 08:54:44 PM »
The original question was simply about a warped sheet of balsa, not a sheet with edges that are not straight.  So, I think Doc wins, Ty loses.  LL~  :-*

If you're looking for a straight plank for a profile fuselage, cutting a sheet into strips 3/4" wide and alternating the bow in them when you glue them back together would work well. You'd need to have a table saw, or access to one. Better yet, build up the profile fuselage with stringers and warren truss diagonals, or a foam slab for fill. I like this approach, because you can easily taper the profile fuselage from TE to rudder post, putting stiffness where you need it and "adding lightness" where you need some o' that.  y1  Steve
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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2011, 01:44:29 PM »
Now now lads, ;) no point in getting passionate about a few warped sheets of balsa ;D I have dozens of warped sheets in my shed, the thinner the sheet the bigger the twist! I still use them, using slow setting glues (PVA) to attach them, making sure the frame work is well weighted for 24 hrs while the glue hardens. If you do get a slight warp at the end, spray the whole thing with water, jack it straight, and weight it again, Al Rabe does that! ;D

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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 10:00:50 AM »
Amazing how easily feathers get ruffled.  An article I read years ago in one of the RC magazines was about forming wood.   Especially balsa wood.   The guy says he used pure amonia to soak wood in.   He also stated that balsa would become like a thin sheet of paper.   Was easily molded around objects.  Not compound curves with out cutting slits.   The real statement was when he stated, "The amonia releases all the strsses in balsa, if left to dry on its own would curl up.   Had to be weighted down flat or formed around and object.   Once dry it would hold its shape.".   I have done it on foam leading edge bucks for molding the balsa leading edge.   Once it was dry it only took a few peices of tape or pins to hold in place.   So everybody has their way of doing things.   Some I have tried and some I have ignored.   Be we all have ideas that work.   H^^
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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 12:05:32 PM »
Yes ! Ammonia does allow balsa to be virtually wound up on itself!.  The rubber powered brigade make their balsa tubes this way, by soaking in ammonia then wrapping around a hardwood dowel, and leaving to dry. Now the Mosquito fuselage is another question ;D No soaking no heat, just pressure and resin over a mould, mind you the compound curves are quite gentle compared to those we might have ;D

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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2011, 12:19:09 PM »
No need to use ammonia on balsa.  The function of ammonia is to soften the compounds lignin and subrin.  There is little or none of these compounds in balsa. I use water with a little bit of Simple Green to cut any oils and wet the cell walls.  Warm water would help, but I've never used it. 

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Re: How do you stess relieve or take the warps out of balsa?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2011, 02:47:55 PM »
Professional cabinet shops and woodworkers use "steam boxes" to shape wood.  Usually a piece of iron pipe filled with water and stuck in a fire with the closed end down.

I do much the same with balsa.  A long pan of plain water on the stove, heated to boiling.  After a few minutes, the piece is ready for bending around a form.  Ammonia isn't necessary.  Heat is.

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