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Offline Gene O'Keefe

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Bellcrank location
« on: September 12, 2008, 02:17:01 PM »
If you were to build a twin fuselage stunter (either profile or full bodied) - eg. a F82 Mustang -- would you put the bellcrank in the inboard fuselage ? .....or between the two fuselages ? ....or in the outboard fuselage ?

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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 02:49:52 PM »
how long are your lead out wires?  LL~


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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2008, 03:14:52 PM »
I could be wrong... but I don't think it matters. Inboard would save a bit of weight. As long as it's anchored well it should fly OK.

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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2008, 03:23:12 PM »
It depends, as usual. How large a plane are you building? I'm doing a Veco P-51 - based F-82, with about 13" between fuselage centers. That's a very large span to have a single control horn on one side of the elevator, so there will be a bellcrank in each fuselage with a pushrod to each side of the elevator. Also, this thing will have throttle control, so I need separate linkages to the engines, too.

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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2008, 05:04:31 PM »
Ralph,
I am currently flying and trimming my second twin boom ship called the Ephesian.  The first was very competitive for three years, this one flys rather well but needs more flights to get "right" - and I used only one pushrod to the elevator and it is in the outside boom.  With proper construction techniques on the elevator, this is absolutely fool proof.  This is a 746 square inch wing area ship, the original was 715 squares.
I used carbon fiber laminated leading edges on both and geodetic construction.  The original (1995) had 1/16th planking for a covering but this new one has polyspan.  NO FLEXING OCCURS!  I highly recommend using only one pushrod to save weight and setup headaches.
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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2008, 07:48:58 PM »
Well, Will, that would certainly simplify throttle linkages, too. I'll give that a try first!

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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 05:46:11 AM »
Sorta not quite the same, but here's my dual-BC rig on SpaceShipOne semiscale.  I used two different rigs.  One in the pic used LOs to connect the bellcranks; on a later model I used a single pushrod between, much better. Just a point of interest.

If you're wondering, the thing actually flew pretty well...capable of loops & eights.
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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 07:53:09 AM »
I have seen several semiscale P-38's that were built with a single bellcrank/pushrod to the elevator.  The elevator flexed considerable to the point that performance was being compromised.  A double pushrod system eliminates any potential for any performance limitation relative to elevator flexing.

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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2008, 12:09:10 PM »
Keith,
If there is an elevator flex problem with one pushrod, there is only half the problem with two (might be 1/4, I forget the torsional stifffness equation).  Two rods also eliminate the aileron effect, or lack of elevator effect.  IMO the problem is the stiffness of the elevator.  These days I use carbon fiber stiffening to take care of any twisting problem in built up surfaces.
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Re: Bellcrank location
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2008, 02:13:45 PM »
I love twin boomers, I love twin engines, but placement of the bellcrank can be a hassle.

On the Twin Flightstreak I used to campaign in Classic, I used one bellcrank. It was mounted so the pushrod went along side the outboard fuselage. I stiffened the elevatorwith a spruce spar, and if there was any flexing, it was negligable.

I designed a smaller twin boomer, called "The Raven", that had the bellcrank positioned so the pushrod routed through the inboard boom. Same type of stiffening at the elevator. This was a disaster, as the weight of the bellcrank, and pushrod, inboard of the centerline, required excessive tip weight to overcome.

My best recommendation today would be, never mount the Bellcrank, and run the pushrod down the inboard fuselage, or boom.

With modern materials available today, a single set of pushrods should be stiff enough, and much easier to set up. The threat of flexing is real and if not compensated for, can cause problems, if the plane is anything other than a sport plane. So if you don't want to use moden materials, like CF, the preferred method would be bellcrank in the center, dual horns and pushrods down each boom or fuselage.
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