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Offline Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach

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How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« on: October 19, 2009, 06:00:22 PM »
Hi all.  I want to carbon tissue the sides of my Hutchinson F6F but have never used it before.  I purchased some carbon tissue (.5 oz per sq yard) from CST Specialties that I want to use for this job.  Now to my questions.

1.  It seems to have two distinct sides, a shiny side and a "rough" (non-shiney) side.  Which side faces the wood?

2.  I can't use dope inside the house and I have no other place to work.  I don't know anyone that has a heated garage and its far too cold outside to paint.  So what other non-smelly product, can I use to stick the product down and fill the grain?  I have heard of useing either polycrylic or polyurethane, but can't remember which one.

Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks to all that reply. H^^
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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 07:20:34 PM »
1. Shiny-side out (probably as you expected). Shape and sand to 220-grit.

2. It's possible that Polycrylic would do the job, but I haven't tried it for this application (sorry). The simple solution is to bring your planes and dopes to SE Texas and stay with us for a week. My shop is on a different heater/AC system from the main floor, and it doesn't stink up the place too much. The even simpler solution is to get your Honey flying, so she "appreciates" the need for the heavenly aroma of dope. This has other side benefits, as well.

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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 08:18:30 PM »
Use an epoxy clear finish over the carbon veilo help hold it in place use a very light spray of 3m 77 sprayed over the areas you want the veilto attach to. Don't over do it here.

You should be able to place the veil without it sliding around, so you can apply the epoxy.

Let it cure proper, and then you can lightly sand to a smooth finish. You're ready for final color. Look up water basedpaints for more aroma less finishes.

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Offline Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach

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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 09:26:00 PM »
Thank you both for your help.  My wife is very sensitive to certain things like paint and dope fumes.  It makes her very ill and thats why I'm looking for alternatives.  I do have some resin, but was hopeing to find something that wouldn't bother her.  Water based paints seem to be ok, so was hopeing that I could use that.  I know I read somewhere that someone was useing it, but my luck, I can't find it now.

Anyways....thanks again.
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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 10:20:13 PM »
Sorry I can't help you on the adhesive situation as I do all mine with nitrate clear dope under butyrate color. I do want to alert you to keep everything aft of the CG as light as possible, both wood selection and finish. The warbirds will fly great up to about 48 ounces so the lighter the aft end, the less lead you will need in the nose and staying under 48 is not too difficult. My SBD flies very much like my '59 "T"Bird.
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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 07:48:04 AM »
Thank you both for your help.  My wife is very sensitive to certain things like paint and dope fumes.  It makes her very ill and thats why I'm looking for alternatives.  I do have some resin, but was hopeing to find something that wouldn't bother her.  Water based paints seem to be ok, so was hopeing that I could use that.  I know I read somewhere that someone was useing it, but my luck, I can't find it now.

Anyways....thanks again.

You must be referring to the Nelson water-based paints:

http://www.nelsonhobby.com/paint.html

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Offline Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach

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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 12:17:07 PM »
No it was definitely not the Nelson products.  I know it was a clear coat that you could buy off the shelf in most hardware stores.  I remember that because I can afford it and know the Nelson products are not justifiable on our fixed income lifestyle! LOL
Thanks anyways to everyone. H^^
Glenn Reach
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Re: How To: Carbon Veil/Tissue
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2009, 08:49:07 AM »
Any of the water base poly paints should do the trick.  I get mine at Home Depot or Lowes.  Haven't tried the stuff at Ace Hardware yet.  Also no one mentioned not to drag the brush backover the fresh paint on the carbon veil.  You will learn the first time you do it.  That is why I have went almost totally to light weight fibre glas cloth.  The cloth is easier towork around compound curves also.   Have fun,  DOC Holliday
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