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Offline Neal Kinsinger

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great place to learn
« on: December 29, 2009, 03:22:17 AM »
Ive flown control line since Ive been a little kid,maybe 7..8 years old.After taking the last 32 or so years off, I built a couple of planes and made  my attemp to fly again. Man it feels better than ,,well, its a great feeling to fly. I dont think there is anything better than a nice ,calm day, and 2 or 3  planes to fly. I would just like to thank all of the people that are willing to contribute their knowledge of this sport on this web sight. After being out of the building and flying arena for quite a few years, I have found a wealth of knowledge on this site. It seems that for every question that I may have, someone answers it within this site.There is alot to learn to become a better flyer(pilot) or an even better builder. I personally dont think there is anything better than the control line community on this web site. Now will some one give me some tips on how to transition into level inverted flight before I run out of planes.....Neal.. ??? 

Offline john e. holliday

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Re: great place to learn
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 09:18:25 AM »
Welcome to the best site of two I go to.  There is a little box at the top of the home page that says search.  I use it quite a bit as well as the one for members that I want to send PM's(private mail) to.  Now for learning inverted flying after learning loops and eights(horizontal) is you start the inside portion and as you come over the top start giving down elevator.  As she levels off try going neutral on the handle while holding it verticle.  Some lay their hand on its back so that if the plane gets ahead of you, you just stop and the plane will usually start to do an out side loop.  It is better to learn holding the handle verticle in the long run.  Just remember to have a plane that flies well and don't panic.  HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR and keep us posted.  By the way just keep stretching out the horz 8.
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Offline Tim Wescott

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Re: great place to learn
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 10:31:03 AM »
Now will some one give me some tips on how to transition into level inverted flight before I run out of planes.....Neal.. ??? 

I just used it as a tool to teach me to rebuild aircraft :-).

If I remember correctly I used the "stretch a loop" method -- do a half loop to way high, then give enough bottom elevator to hold altitude.  Keep up far enough that if you chicken out you can go full up and complete the loop.

If the plane is capable of it, I like the sound of a lazy 8 better: do a bit more than a half loop so that you're descending at about 45 degrees.  When you get close to the deck, give it full bottom elevator to do most of an outside loop so that you're descending at 45 degrees again, then inside, outside, etc.  I've seen folk run out tanks of fuel that way, without ever walking in a circle (it's good if you get dizzy, too).

For inverted, just stretch the 8 -- let the descents get shallower and shallower, until finally you're flying level.  Be sure to have the canopy pointed up when you run out of fuel...

It helps a _lot_ to visualize the manoeuvre.  It also helps to think of "bottom" and "top" elevator, or "inside" and "outside" or "wheels" and "canopy" -- thinking "up" and "down" gets confusing when your wheels are pointed skyward.  I don't think verbally when I'm flying -- it's all pictures and feelings -- but if you're a verbal thinker then sticking to "up elevator" and "down elevator" will be good for at least one bad crash before you get it right.

If you have one that'll go inverted, doing this with a little 1/2A all-sheet model is the way to go -- you can crash and rebuild those things dozens of times before they need to be retired, so if you bring some thin CA glue to the field you can have a full day of flying with a crash at the end of every flight.
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Offline Neal Kinsinger

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Re: great place to learn
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 01:53:48 PM »
Hey Tim,  Youre right, think in picture form. Thanks for the advice and just to let everyone know, the last thump was felt about 70 feet away. It was a total. Ill keep trying until I get it.  ..Neal..

Offline Neville Legg

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Re: great place to learn
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 04:10:52 AM »
I found when flying a combat wing, it was easier to go inverted, maybe because the British combat wings of the '60's were nigh on indestructable ! Which gave me confidence! I remember the first lap inverted being all over the sky, but I didn't hit the ground, and when I flew a model with a tail it was much, much smoother! Keep at it, its not impossible.

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Offline Robert Jones

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Re: great place to learn
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2010, 01:10:10 PM »
The first time I flew inverted was with a Flight Streak powered by a two bolt Fox. It was like it on rails. I still can't figure out how it was so easy the first time.
After the flight one of my Dad's friends suggested I go home and build a Nobler "nice and straight". Never did though.
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