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Offline Jack Mulinix

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Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« on: January 14, 2011, 09:58:04 PM »
So, getting ready to finish the trailing edge of the pathfinder wing. Flaps not full span, so there's an extension to the tip. Is making the outboard ext. adjustable that big of a trim aid? Thanks Jack

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2011, 07:00:05 AM »
I think yes. Dave Fitzgerald put a trim tab on the inboard wing on his World Championship model and on the inboard tip, the tab, if needed works against some of the other forces involved in the model. I use the same 1/16" tube arrangement for attaching rudders in case I need a little bit of right rudder.

The one thing I do different to what's shown on the Pathfinder drawing is, I put a short piece of leadout cable in the tube. I may be excessivelt cautious but I worry about the thin wall brass tube cracking if you have to deflect the trim tab far enough for the tube to collapse. It may be a remote possibility but fatigue cracking due to vibration is a possibility so a short piece of lead out wire inside each tube is cheap insurance.

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2011, 09:32:00 AM »
Thanks Geoff, and I like the idea of the leadout in the tube. That was a concern with the tubing I had. The rudder has hinges and a little rod with a ball link. Hope that works ok. Jack

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2011, 12:38:53 PM »
Ted likes them, Paul doesn't. My own experience is mixed. I guess you pays your money and takes your chances.
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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 05:02:12 PM »
So, getting ready to finish the trailing edge of the pathfinder wing. Flaps not full span, so there's an extension to the tip. Is making the outboard ext. adjustable that big of a trim aid? Thanks Jack

   I think it's generally a mistake to count on it. It is useful for quickie field fixes but if you have a significant warp you definitely want to fix it and not rely on the tab for any more than the tiniest adjustments.

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 05:33:43 PM »
Thanks Randy and Brett for your info. I've had mixed feelings about it. Did go to the LHS for some tubing, maybe save it for another project. Thanks again, Jack

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 05:39:07 PM »
The January 2011 Flying Models shows an adjustable flap extension using a short RC pushrod anchored in the wing, with a nylon control horn on the extension.
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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2011, 05:51:34 PM »
Tim, funny you'ed mention FM, as I was at the LHS I picked one up, just got home, and checked if that was it. Nope, Feb. Oh well. Thanks,

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2011, 08:52:19 PM »
Listen to Brett, he's a smart guy. If the wing is warped, fix it. Don't rely on a tab to fix it. Easier to tweak the flaps a very small amount to make small adjustments. Just my thought.
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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2011, 09:37:09 PM »
Randy, the wing is pretty straight, actually pretty happy with it, for a rookie. I'm thinking if I have to add something to fix, alright. Guess we'll see when the weather gets a little nicer. Jack

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 04:33:26 PM »
Jack...FWIW, I would never ever hang a tab or rudder on pieces of tubing, bending the tubes to make an adjustment. One little bump, and your adjustment is gone. I'd suggest using some sort of hinges and adjuster scheme on any tabs or the rudder. Pretty much your choice as to what sort, but the Robart "hinge points" and "horney hinge points" seem particularly useful for this.

Based on what Brett and Howard are preaching (i.e., do what you have to, to make it straight), one thing you can do on the field to do a "quick and dirty" is to tape some trailing edge stock onto the bottom of the TE. Thick edge aft, inboard wing if it's low, outboard wing if it's low. This you can do on the first flying session, to allow you to get more than one flight in, and get your engine/tank/prop sorted out to some extent. It's an old free flight trick, but works fine on CL models.   H^^ Steve
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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 06:57:51 PM »
Thanks for the info Steve, good stuff to know. Went ahead and glued on today, no adjustment. Thanks, Jack

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Re: Fixed or adjustable flap extension
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2011, 07:08:32 AM »
   I think it's generally a mistake to count on it. It is useful for quickie field fixes but if you have a significant warp you definitely want to fix it and not rely on the tab for any more than the tiniest adjustments.

    Brett

Absolutely right on. From R/C and C/L consensus on many good pilots, adding a tab to any wing only corrects the aircraft in that specific attitude or maneuver. There are corrections for knife edge that are generated by programming to add elevator/flaps/ail depending on the aircraft's tendencies. But those are released back to neutral after completion. I have added tabs at the wing tip (right wing!), perpendicular to the airflow, to increase line tension. It works great. There is no effect from up or down elevator (Rudder causes a tendency to roll with up/down elevator)and the influence is much greater with less area. A warped wing on a combat ship can somewhat be fixed with a tab but it affects the overall performance of loops and line tension. But then, in combat we are not worried about perfect loops... I used to know a guy that said:
 " Build the wing and if it is not straight, throw it away and start over"

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