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Offline t michael jennings

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Center Drilling
« on: July 16, 2008, 08:18:55 PM »
Gentlemen,

What is an easy way to drill an 1/8 inch diameter hole in the CENTER of a 1/4 inch diameter wood dowel?

I do not have a lathe but have a drill press.

For my control system, I use a 0.300 inch carbon fiber arrow shaft.  Then insert a 1/4 dowel with an epoxied 1.5 inch 4-40 socket head cap screw in the dowel. 

I am not very good at center drilling the hole in the 1/4 inch dowel.

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2008, 11:00:28 PM »
Unless you want to go to the extreme of trying to do it geometrically, this is by far the simplest way! See:

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=44995&cat=1,180,42311,42319&ap=1

The guides have both internal and external points to mark the center.

However, I'd question the necessity of getting the hole precisely centered. I'd think that just having it parallel to the axis of the CF arrowshaft would be sufficient. I would suggest that you use a stainless or case-hardened threaded stud for this application.

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 01:15:03 AM »
  Ralph --- I don't think those will help  him. They only have internal diameters that are 3/16, 5/16, and 3/8 dia. He needs 1/4 dia.

  Here is an easy way that works for short pieces. (under 6")   I have done them this way for years.

   1) Clamp a piece of 2X4 to the Drill Press Table.
   2) Drill a hole the size of the dowel in the 2X4 as deep as needed to hold the dowel straight
   3) Place the dowel into the hole, it is now centered on the drill chuck
   4) Change to the drill size you want the hole to be and drill the hole, it will be in the center of the dowel if nothing moved. It will also be as straight as possible.

  Like all Drill Press operations you need to go slow. If you go too fast all guarentees are off. Try a couple for practice till you get used to it.  This is the easiest way I know of without buying more tools. The allignment will amaze you. Have fun.

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 12:37:34 PM »
Mr. Gruby,

Your method is a slick way to drill in the center of the dowel.

Will try the technique today.

Thanks Gentlemen for solving a problem.

t michael jennings





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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 11:03:30 AM »
 Did it work for you?

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 02:54:37 PM »
Bill I've always been happy just to get a hole in the dowel that would work. I really like your solution. The next time I need to center something I'll use your method. y1
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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2008, 06:00:11 PM »
The centering jigs that come with Robart and DuBro hinges work fine.

Just clamp the jig & dowel in a vice and hit it with a hand drill.

ps: Filing a little flat on the dowel doesn't hurt.
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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2008, 12:10:09 PM »
Mr. Gruby,

Tried out your method of drilling 1/8 inch center holes in the 1/4 inch diameter dowels. 

Started out with dowels 2  1/4 inch in length.  A key is to keep the drill bit extension as short at possible.  Just over 1 1/4 inch worked best.  Anything longer allowed the drill but to run-out to the side of the dowel.

After several tries, my scrap rate was down to approximate 25%.  Overall this was not too bad, especially when my dowel is 4 foot long.

There seemed to be more than sufficient run-out in my drill press to do much better that the above.

Thanks once again.

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2008, 01:20:37 PM »
 With a lot of radial play in the spindle bearings this process will seem futile at times. In your case I would drill the initial hole as deep as possible. and use a #2 center drill on the dowel before the 1/8 drill. The center drill will help the 1/8 drill on it happy path to success. In time you will get the hang of it, it just takes becomming good friends with your drill press and seeing it's shortcommings. Have fun.

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2008, 04:32:56 PM »
If you don't need a super long piece, you might try chucking the dowel in the drill chuck and clamping the drill in a vise, centered underneath it.  For some reason spinning the work and feeding the drill into it seems to work better than the other way around.  You can drill a gun barrel that way in a lathe.
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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 10:27:43 AM »
If you don't need a super long piece, you might try chucking the dowel in the drill chuck and clamping the drill in a vise, centered underneath it.  For some reason spinning the work and feeding the drill into it seems to work better than the other way around.  You can drill a gun barrel that way in a lathe.

  Hi Phil, that is an interesting way to do it. Gotta try that one. Here is my way in pictures. Please keep in mind my Drill Press has 0 radial play.

 #1  2 X 4 clamped to table

 #2  Hole drilled to hold dowel

 #3  Dowel inserted into hole bit changed to hole size desired

 #4  Drilling required hole

 #5  Required hole dead center in dowel



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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 04:01:30 PM »
  What keeps the dowel from spinning in the 2 X 4  while you are drilling the hole in it?

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 04:45:23 PM »
  What keeps the dowel from spinning in the 2 X 4  while you are drilling the hole in it?

  Bigiron

  Sorry Marvin, you see that pair of slip joint pliers on the table. Well the friction fit in the 2 X 4 and a light hold with those pliers does the trick. The jaws have been ground so they will leave little or no mark.

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 04:55:11 PM »
  I saw them there, but just didn't tie them in with the job.


  dumb me

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 02:11:42 AM »
I realize this is late in the game but might prove useful.  I have several V- Blocks made up.  Some cut with a table saw and some routed with a chamfer bit depending on the size I need.  I believe these are handy enough to have around that if I didn't have the tools to make them, I'd have someone else make them for me.

You can use them as a jig for holding a leading edge while building a wing or even a small one to keep round objects, like pencils, pens and modeling knives from rolling off your building board and landing on your foot.   LL~

The diagram shows a handy way to find the center of any round object.  Just align the square with the bottom of the "V" and draw a line through the center.  Rotate the object in the block and draw another line and you will have the center located.

This jig will also allow you to find and mark the center ends of square stock.

You may also want to use the V-Block on end and braced against a fence on your drill press to drill your hole.

For you and others lucky enough to own a drill press another option would be to use a dowel cutter.  I've used the dowel cutter with a fence to make dowels for years for woodworking and even to make wooden beads for kids crafting needs.  After cutting the dowels  Chuck up a drill, drill the hole, then cut out the dowels.

I've seen the dowel or plug cutters at harbor freight and they were not very expensive.

I've used the other suggestions here on occasion and just offer the suggestions as an alternative.  I've marked my dowel ends as shown in the diagram and was able to drill a small hole with a Dremal tool.

Always keep it in mind that there is more than one way to render the outer covering of a feline.   LL~
Tight lines,

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2008, 10:36:13 AM »
The plier trick works great.  Adding a saw slit along the grain to the hole in the 2x4 then a c-clamp would be a positive clamp.

My old drill press has an over-center clamp on the post that clamps down on parts on the table to hold them in place when drilling or if I need to do more than one part and don't want to lose the setup.  The clamps used to be very common but fell out of use when drill presses started coming with the rack and pinon table positioners.    What is a available is a a Vise-grip plier modified with one jaw removed and bolt on the handle that goes through the table.
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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2008, 01:06:11 PM »
 Don

  Here is a little help -- a picture is worth a thousand words.


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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2008, 01:21:53 AM »
Hi ,

How 'bout a machinist's square and a center-head fixture ?
Can be kinda pricey , though ...

I like the 2X4 and drill press method , myself  y1

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Re: Center Drilling
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2008, 07:37:41 PM »
After doing a few 1/4" ID carbon fiber pushrods, and doing one section using the titanium inserts from Central Hobbies, I can't see myself, ever again, trying to drill, carve, or otherwise fight with a dowel insert.  I won't even get into the joy of drilling the dowel and finally getting a usable piece only to find it won't slip fit into the pushrod tube.  The thinner carbon pushrods are easier to fit inside tight spaces too.

http://www.centralhobbies.com/control_linkage/pushrod2.htm


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