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Ed Neuzil

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Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« on: November 09, 2012, 12:44:33 PM »
I have always wondered, aside from weight, if another material would be
more suited for profile fuselages. After an 8-year layoff, I crashed my Twister
on its first flight doing a figure-9. I am more rusty than I thought, and decided
when rebuilding it (the only thing salvageable was the wing) I needed something
more rugged as a (re)trainer.

I cut this out from an old Cedar 1/2" plank which had been part of a fence.
It weighs only 2 ounces more than a comparable balsa profile fuselage (I
weighed it).

Most importantly, it is far stronger and has far more resistance
to twist than balsa.

I was able to dispense with doublers, and used 1/8" aluminum engine mounts
screwed & epoxied to the nose.

I remember the Ukey 35 had a hardwood fuselage, and it it flew just fine.

While rebuilding, I also decided to use an external bellcrank and join the wing
halves with carbon tubes. The wing can be mounted without a cutout in
the fuselage, just 3 holes are needed and perfect alignment is assured.

I am not too concerned about weight, I do not expect it to be able to do the whole
pattern, just to relearn basic flight , lazy-8s, etc.

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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 12:56:55 PM »
When I was a lad I reduced the APS Pedro (profile stunter for .15 cu in) down to fit my AM 15 (1.5cc) diesel. I learnt to crash with this plane! My father watched me repair the fuselage for the 5th or 6th time! Next morning I saw that he had used some aluminium sheet to wrap around the repaired fuselage. He was an accomplished sheet metal worker, so this was no big deal for him.
That was the last time I ever snapped the fuselage! I learnt all the basic stunts on that aeroplane. I still have it, over 50 years later. I have just rebuilt the AM15 and maybe I shall fly it once more!
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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 01:53:29 PM »
EJN,

Way to go!

Just goes to show you what a bit of thinking and enginuity will do.

What clear did you use and how do you lock the wings together? Pins or screws through the CF rods?

The Twister wing is a nice wing.

Teak wood may lend itself to that type of application and cedar. Although I don't know for sure, I believe cedar is a light wood. Once used to frame homes.

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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 02:44:20 PM »
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What clear did you use and how do you lock the wings together? Pins or screws through the CF rods?

The only thing on it so far is sanding sealer. Final clear coat will be polyurethane.

The root ribs will be glued to the fuselage, first the half with the rods,
then the other half will be slid on. The carbon rods are bonded to the
wing ribs with CA, which bonds *instantly* to CF.

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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2012, 07:15:20 PM »
I've build a few cedar fuselages for various things. Also blue foam covered with ply and rohacell covered with carbon and glass.
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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2012, 09:40:49 PM »
Growing up in the former Soviet Block, we didn't have access to balsa. That didn't stop us from building light profiles from pine,birch and plywood. Half of the world is building without balsa and they are doing just fine.

The only thing you need to consider is the CG. With a typical balsa construction, the nose of the plane will weigh about the same in pine as it would with balsa, plywood doublers and maple engine bearers. The back section of the fuse is typically longer than the nose and also does not have any plywood so if you build with pine, the rear section will be heavier. Basically, if you build to the same dimensions with pine, the CG will be much further back than with a  balsa fuse. Holes to lighten the back or longer nose: whatever it takes to get the CG to where it needs to be


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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2012, 08:06:40 AM »
If I remember correctly, weren't the old Guillows trainers created out of soft pine or sugar pine?   I know they sure took a beating.
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Re: Non-Balsa Profile Fuselages
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 05:17:44 PM »
Back in the '70's  lot of Canadians used basswood fuselages for slow combat ships. The used thinner than the customary 1/2" balsa and I saw and flew against many fine flying ships using this construction. Basswood is a light, strong and usually very straight.

Come to think of it, we made the tail booms for fast combat ships out of it too. I have a few ships almost 40 years old that are perfectly flyable today with basswood parts.
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