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Offline David Ruff

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Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« on: December 29, 2017, 04:52:10 AM »
I keep reading that the Brodak Profile Pathfinder has a fuselage that flexes and should be somehow modified to strengthen it against flex and weakness?

What is the preferred method for this?

I know a friend dopes light glass cloth to a fuselage.  Would that be enough to strengthen it?  Maybe actually glass it?
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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 11:35:33 AM »
Do a search on here for profile fuselages and be prepared to read. D>K
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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 01:15:38 PM »
You are correct about the flexing issue.  The real fix is to full built-up fuselage.

I don't believe that any surface hardening will do the job.  The surfaces are too close to the neutral axis to do much good.

If you stay with profile, I might suggest 1/4" square spruce stiffeners on both sides.

Watching these planes fly, I see the rudder offset bending the body, thus leaving the rudder streamlined to the direction of flight.  Thus causes a control interaction  between the flaps & flippers.  Not good.
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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 04:12:44 PM »
I think the kit is going up for sale.
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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 05:10:10 PM »
I have heard folks say it twists
I run mine with electric RSM 46 and AXI 2826/10
they fly incredible
I wanted to light it up so I use 1/2" 4lb balsa, Cored out with triangles, Case in 1/8" 4lb balsa and it is stiffer
than the original.  Do note that two new kits I have came with fairly stiff 1/2" - more so than the first kits - I don't use it because of the weight

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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 10:52:26 AM »
You know reading this again, there are many of these Pathfinders flying and I don't hear or read of any complaints.   I think Gordon designed the plane for people to get into the air and fly.  I remember having the Midwest P-63/39 that you wondered if it would stay together the tail surfaces were shaking so bad on the ground.  In the air it was one of the best flying planes I ever had.  I still have the Pathfinder kit the late Ken Smith produced and was autographed by Gordon his self as well as John Miller.   Yes it may get built in time.    H^^
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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2017, 01:04:13 PM »
Hi David

This issue of a profile fuselage twisting in flight has been beaten to death over the years and if you read the volumes of posts on here regarding this, the remarks all always the same and the discussion gets quite tiring and boring and no magic solution is ever found.   It is a profile and a profile is a profile and there are thousands of them out there going around in circles and bringing a lot of joy to a lot of fliers.  Ty and some of the other guys are right, it is a great flying profile.  When Brodak still made the ARF profile Pathfinder, I bought one and flew the Hell out of it and it flew great until it met its ultimate demise called pilot error.  Seems all of my models eventually meet that fate.  My advice is to not worry about the tail flexing a little, it aint going to fall out of the air because of this and you will enjoy flying it. 

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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2017, 11:30:20 PM »
The trussed and sandwiched technique works as discussed in great detail recently. So let me just say a couple things:

1) Doped glass will not stiffen as much as epoxied glass, and the epoxy gives no weight penalty if applied advantageously (technique and reasons given in earlier threads)

2) laying glass with a 45o bias does make a difference.

If you take the time, you will reap torsion-resistance advantages with this method.

Pathfinders seem to fly quite well enough, despite whatever twists they undergo in flight.

SK 

Edited for typos, Sunday night.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2017, 08:56:24 PM by Serge_Krauss »

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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2017, 02:49:32 PM »
I am at the point of writing it off as urban legend and glassing the fuselage.

Slap on the LA 46 and fly it.

Thanks guys.

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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2017, 04:44:08 PM »
Way to go and keep us posted. D>K
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Re: Brodak Profile Pathfinder Q
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2017, 06:59:21 PM »
I have flown a few of them, both ARF and kit built and all have flown great! The ground flexing seems to have minimal effect once it's in the air. They have done quite well in Profile and Intermediate competition here in NorCal. Somewhere on this forum there are a few things that Gordan has recommended for kit builders. The two I remember are; shorten the fuselage by 1 inch (cutting it off the back) and increase the thickness of the stab/elevator to the next size balsa sheet.  Definitely worth building.  8)
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