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Offline Dane Martin

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Brodak ME-109
« on: February 25, 2018, 09:59:02 PM »
Starting a build on the ME109. Finally. I know. Feel free to pile on how slow I am and how long this took to just get on the building table. Ha!
Anyway. It'll be made to ARF or ARC with a monokote'd wing. That way shipping is possible. Just looking through this kit, the hardware and it's contents I'd highly recommend it. I've flown them before and they're great.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2018, 10:44:43 AM »
Dane said "Feel free to pile on how slow I am and how long this took to just get on the building table"

Back story.... I got old and palsy from a MC accident and the beginnings of Parkinson

I like building despite never being real good at it.... but had great dreams of all the cool planes I always wanted even if the many would only be flown once or twice a year

During an unrelated conversation, Dane heard me and said he would be happy to trade some of my never to be used combat stuff for his Build and covering skills... win win....

Dane above (took so long to get on the building board) and I laugh about this all the time.... I rib him a bit but I remember well my days of 16 hours for God n Country, Wife, and children....never having any free time

Just as I was shipping several kits to him he decided that he really liks Cake a lot....and the butt head asked her to be his wife..... she said yes.... no more plane building for a bit... wedding planning, new apartment(s).. yadd yadda...gotta learn how to fly real planes, wow I like this combat stuff, OH my! I need to get into stunt, VSC coming , oh BY the way--- I think I will try to CD a major stunt event out here in LV... on and ON...

Dane is and has been one busy young man since we first met at James Mears back a few years ago

I am looking forward to this Brodak ME 109 ARFed up for me...Dane is one of the few guys that can do a better monokote job than Larry Fernandez.....grin

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2018, 11:03:13 AM »
Better than evil Larry..... F apostrophe ing lol!

But yes, your back story is just about as perfect as it can get.
Thank you for the clarification. Lol.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2018, 11:17:58 AM »
By the way, Larry explained that story over the phone a couple weeks ago. That was absolutely hilarious. What a crazy way to become "known" for monokote ability. Haha

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2018, 07:54:59 AM »
Dane ol buddy. Please do me a favor and log pics of this build... I have this kit and planning on using it in Warbird events.
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 09:53:03 AM »
Will do. So far I've punched out and cleaned up all the parts of the wing. There's like 5 or 6 tip pieces? Anyway, I make dang sure to sand away ALL of the laser marks. A few reasons for that, but that alone goes a long way. Do that before anything else. That helps the dry fit of pieces also.
Also note, I build on a magnetic board with no plans. I only use the plans as measurements. I make a rib spacing block set for each build.
And I talk a lot.... lol.  So I'll make with the pics asap.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 12:22:07 PM »
I built and flew the P-40 in the same set as your Me-109 and I got to tell you, I was absolutely in love.  The building was just hard enough to be exciting and the flying....holy cow can that girl fly.  Way better than I can.  I know you will enjoy her. H^^
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 04:03:05 PM »
I built and flew the P-40 in the same set as your Me-109 and I got to tell you, I was absolutely in love.  The building was just hard enough to be exciting and the flying....holy cow can that girl fly.  Way better than I can.  I know you will enjoy her. H^^

Note that the P-40 was designed by Pat Johnston, while the Me-109 was designed by another (can't quite come up with the name right now) some years earlier, and was one of the earliest Brodak kits. It's based on what is basically a Nobler wing, and would likely be better with a lighter engine than a .46 LA. 

Glenn, could you provide pictures and details about your P-40?  H^^ Steve

Edit: Mike Garmin, maybe the designer of the early ones...may also have the last name spelled incorrectly...pretty sure of the "Mike" part.
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 08:02:27 PM »
 ;D  Wow Dane!  That's kool!  Wish we lived closer then I could compare my Brodak Bearcat that I just finished building.  Actually, I just completed both of the Bearcats, the full body and the profile (carrier) version.  Maybe I'll post a build for it if there's any interest  :).

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 09:57:11 PM »
Well after some time passing and life zipping by.....
I'm listening to Merle Haggard and pinning stuff to this board. I honestly can't remember the last time I used a pin board, or instructions, or plans for that matter. But I'll give it all a go for this plane.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2018, 11:24:18 PM »
I had a witty little quip about Jessi Coulter playing but I got tired of loading and reloading this comment. Here's the spar shimmed up 1/8", R1 and R9's in place.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 05:10:52 AM »
Is it required to shim them up or is that just to insure prper fit and square? Just wondering.
I had a witty little quip about Jessi Coulter playing but I got tired of loading and reloading this comment. Here's the spar shimmed up 1/8", R1 and R9's in place.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2018, 06:29:54 AM »
 %^@ LL~ WOW!  Bro Dane, you weren't kiddin' about takin' yo' time!!  Since my last post, 2 March until now, I've built and flown one brand new plane, cut four Teosawki kits a couple of friends, repaired three control line for some friends, printed and taped plans and templates for three new models to be built, refinished eight hollow core doors in the house, planted a garden, repainted our laundry room and half bathroom, built and installed a new bathroom vanity, cut the lawn four times, flown my Ol' Blue Ringmaster for its current total of 772 flights, am now 75% complete with building a biplane ride-on for my grandsons and ate about 200 pounds of various foods!!   H^^ LL~ LL~

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2018, 07:16:29 AM »
Is it required to shim them up or is that just to insure prper fit and square? Just wondering.
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If you build over the plans, and use the Brodak leveling bar for the ribs, I'd say it's required. If not, you'd need to still shim the ribs up about 3/8" to keep them level during the build.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2018, 07:18:22 AM »
Oh i know bout the trailing edge. But i see you shimmed the 1/4" spar
If you build over the plans, and use the Brodak leveling bar for the ribs, I'd say it's required. If not, you'd need to still shim the ribs up about 3/8" to keep them level during the build.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2018, 07:27:36 AM »
Yeah, the spar is shimmed up 1/8" and the rib TE is up 1/2". If I don't shim the front, the back would only need to be 3/8" to be level. BUT, it's always a good idea to shim it up off the board. Basically, if you could assemble the wing straight floating completely, and then glue it; that would be the best building method. You want everything completely floating and no tension on any parts before being glued.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2018, 10:50:24 AM »
I have built several of the Brodak kits and if you follow the instructions it will come out straight. H^^
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2018, 08:10:46 PM »
It's true, the instructions with this kit are exceptional. But as with all great builders, sometimes key notes are overlooked. My only real additions to the process are small. More of tips. Sometimes you need to sand a little out of the spar notches to make sure the ribs float free and easy on the spar. Don't glue the top spar in until the very end (I believe it said that in the instructions. I should try to read them. Lol)
Here's how I set up my ribs. Start in the middle and work out to R9. The machined blocks keep the rib straight and the square set on the level bar keep it all Honest.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2018, 08:12:34 PM »
Building out

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2018, 08:13:52 PM »
After all the trouble of set up.... the ribs set in process is really fast.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2018, 12:41:17 PM »
I got the little bird back

Following this build

Get as creative as you desire on the finish

Give a call please I miss BSing with you
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2018, 06:20:08 PM »
Love ya big brother.

Here's the TE glued on. I don't pin the TE down to the leveling bar. I make sure that it's still straight just floating there.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2018, 06:23:45 PM »
Here's my TE sheet jig method. Straight edge on the rear, apply glue to the ribs and TE (wood glue), slide the sheet against it. Lay the straight edge on it for weight and pin it to the level bar. Takes a few minutes, but very easy and straight.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2018, 09:56:48 AM »
Looking good. H^^
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2018, 10:56:24 AM »
Thanks Doc.

Here's the wing tips mocked up. LE and TE sheeting on.
Edit; affixed the wing tips. Why make another post for tape?
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2018, 03:10:39 PM »
Excellent Dane, i wish i had your drive when building.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2018, 09:56:52 AM »
Dane I would have to go back in time with our e-mails but I am pretty sure I asked you to build it FIXED flaps

Sport fly only and this plane will probably only see a maiden flight for giggles and then Hanger queen as more and more of my models are now just conversation pieces

Oh and please space the engine bearers for a Evo 36
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2018, 10:56:00 AM »
The machined blocks keep the rib straight and the square set on the level bar keep it all Honest.

Dane,  where did you get the machined bars to keep the ribs at 90 degrees?  Keeping vertical ribs is the bane of my building existence.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2018, 02:18:31 PM »
Dane,  where did you get the machined bars to keep the ribs at 90 degrees?  Keeping vertical ribs is the bane of my building existence.

Mark

Let me dig through my notes. But these in particular belonged to the brother of capitan Kangaroo! I can't remember his name for the life of me now, but he was in a club with Tony Drago in California. Tony gave me the whole magnetic building board set up that guy used for free flight planes.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2018, 07:10:23 PM »
Not a whole lot done today but I got the bell crank mount and rib doublers in. Here's the wrap on the LO wires.
Double wrapped and twisted. Then a little heat shrink to keep the tab down.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2018, 08:42:28 PM »
Do a search on your IP,  they are still being made.    Tried to copy link, but it is "easybuiltmodels". D>K
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2018, 08:47:48 PM »
Wow. Don't know how I missed this so far. Looking very neat, and clean. I will keep watching teh build. Now if there was any chance to have this done by Tuesday morning, it could come home to me here with the better half as she's is down there for a convention....  ;D

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2018, 09:58:21 AM »
Chancey, you are missing your chance on building your own while she is at the convention. LL~ LL~
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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2018, 10:30:29 PM »
10 years ago, that would be a possibility.... lol.

Here's the adjustable LO guide in and the beginnings of a little hood for the lines. May not look like much yet, but it should end up cute.

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Re: Brodak ME-109
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2018, 09:49:31 AM »
I have been working on this. I didn't want to post new pics until all the sanding was done. Lots of wing sanding.


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