News:


  • May 09, 2024, 06:36:15 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: for all you scratch builers--help--  (Read 3699 times)

Offline steve pagano

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 401
for all you scratch builers--help--
« on: November 30, 2006, 06:06:22 AM »
what are your techniques for getting that part from the plans to the actual wood? Do you trace the part from the plans onto paper then glue the paper onto balsa then cut that piece out?
Success isn't a destination.It's a journey!!!!!
A.M.A. 820-823

Offline RC Storick

  • Forum owner
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12411
  • The finish starts with the first piece of wood cut
    • Stunt Hangar
Re: for all you scratch builders--help--
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2006, 06:23:03 AM »
Tom Morris sells some plastic that you put over the plans and score with an Xacto knife. The you break the template out and trace on the wood.
AMA 12366

Offline minnesotamodeler

  • 2014 Supporters
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2335
  • Me and my Chief Engineer
    • Minnesotamodeler
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 08:04:44 AM »
If you don't mind destroying the plans, you can cut the part out and paste it on the wood.  An alternative method I use sometimes is to place the plans over the wood and prick holes through with a straight pin--then "connect the dots" on the wood.  Preserves the plan sheet, you can even Xerox it later and the pinpricks don't show.  Do this using 1/32" plywood and you have a template you can cut around for multiple parts (ribs, etc.).

--Ray
--Ray 
Roseville MN (St. Paul suburb, Arctic Circle)
AMA902472

Offline Russell Shaffer

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1333
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2006, 08:39:02 AM »
Carbon paper.  You can run over the plan with a pencil and it transfers to the paper you put underneath.
Russell Shaffer
Klamath Falls, Oregon
Just North of the California border

Offline Ron King

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 354
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2006, 09:32:40 AM »
I use tracing paper from the art store.

Trace over the piece with a pencil. To transfer the drawing, flip the paper over, draw along the lines with a pencil, then flip the paper over onto your work. When you trace the part again, the pencil lead is transferred and your drawing is on the wood.

You do not have to destroy your plans; the tracing paper is also not destroyed and can be used many, many times.  #^

Ron
Ron King
AMA AVP District 4
Wannabe Stunt Pilot since 1963
 Amateurs practice until they get it right; Pros practice until they cannot get it wrong.

Kim Doherty

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2006, 11:21:44 AM »
Steve,

I tape my plans up on a large window and then tape regular weight drafting stock over this. Makes a large light box. Best done on a bright day.

Kim

Offline Clancy Arnold

  • 2015
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1453
  • I am 5 Ft. 8 In., the Taube is 7 Ft. 4 In.
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2006, 12:16:02 PM »
Ran out of Carbon Paper.  Went to an Office Supply store to get more and suffered "Sticker Shock".  $12.95 for 100 sheets!
 
Suggestion, do not try to trace free hand when copying parts.  Use "French Curves or straight edges" to get more accurate tracings.

Clancy
Clancy Arnold
Indianapolis, IN   AMA 12560 LM-S
U/Tronics Control
U/Control with electronics added.

Offline Russell Shaffer

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1333
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2006, 01:06:18 PM »
Found a 10 sheet pack at one of the local "marts" for $1.29.  10 sheets will trace a lot of plans.
Russell Shaffer
Klamath Falls, Oregon
Just North of the California border

Offline rustler

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 719
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2006, 01:31:40 PM »
Carbon paper and then prick through with a pin. The dots show up better.
Ian Russell.
[I can remember the schedule o.k., the problem is remembering what was the last manoeuvre I just flew!].

Offline Randy Powell

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 10478
  • TreeTop Flyer
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 08:23:41 PM »
Much like Ty, I go to the local UPS store and use their 36" photo copier. I make copies of the plans and cut them up for templates, Much easier than tracing or poking holes in the plans.
Member in good standing of P.I.S.T
(Politically Incorrect Stunt Team)
AMA 67711
 Randy Powell

Offline roger gebhart

  • 2015
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 197
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2006, 05:50:03 PM »
I use my scanner on most smaller stuff and then 3M 77 to the wood and cut it out . go asy on the 3M and it peels nicely when done.

Offline Tom Perry

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *****
  • Posts: 424
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 12:03:05 AM »
Hi Roger. Instead of the 3M stuff, have you tried  rubber cement?  It just rolls into little balls of rubber when you are done and leaves no reisidue on the balsa.

I also use the rubber cement.  I use it to apply a paper pattern and also to stack ribs for cutting.  I recently ran out and had a heck of a time finding some more.  I used to get it at an artist supply store but they were out also.  I finally found 3 bottles at a local ma and pa hardware store so I bought all they had.

We used to call it Snit, half snot and half ..... well you get the idea?  <=
Tight lines,

Tom Perry
 Norfolk, Virginia

Offline Mike Spiess

  • bikemike
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 386
  • AMA #4060
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2006, 05:10:19 AM »
I use double sided tape that's used for picture mats. It comes in fairly large rolls. I also use it to hold stacks of Ribs and other multiple parts to be cut. It just rolls off by rubbing a finger on it and leaves no residue.
You don't stop flying cause your get OLD
You get OLD cause you stopped flying
St Peter MN
Present Master of the Figure 9

Offline wwwarbird

  • 2016 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 7983
  • Welcome to the Stunt Hanger.
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2006, 07:37:01 PM »
 I first make an extra set or two of plans on the copier at Kinko's. Then, I use 3M temporary artists adhesive (it's just like Post-it-note adhesive in an aerosol can) to attach the pattern. Spray the adhesive on the paper pattern ONLY, let it "tack up" and apply the pattern to the piece of wood selected. Then go to your saw and simply cut out the part, remove the paper, and you're good to go. The adhesive leaves no residue.
Narrowly averting disaster since 1964! 

Wayne Willey
Albert Lea, MN U.S.A. IC C/L Aircraft Modeler, Ex AMA member

Offline Harleyman

  • ACE
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 442
    • Circle Masters
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2006, 10:38:09 AM »
I'm with Sparky on this.
Tom Morris sells a product called SeeTemp, short for See-through Template.  It's a sheet of red translucent plastic you lay right on the original plan and score with an Exacto Knife.  Snap out the shape and you then have a permanent template that you can use over and over.  Unlike paper it has rigidity similar to a plastic coffee can lid and will last forever.

I found mine at my local Hobby/Art Supply shop.  Any good art supply place should carry it. 
I just walked up to the counter and asked if they carry SeeTemp and they knew exactly what I was talking about. 
Chris Sterner
AMA 1825
EAA 1429853
https://circlemasters.com

Offline Bob Reeves

  • 2016 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 3415
    • Somethin'Xtra Inc.
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2006, 04:02:21 PM »
Surprised nobody mentioned the acetone trick. Make a copy of the part, lay the copy upside down on the wood and go over it with a paper towel dipped in acetone. The ink will be transfered to the wood and you have a perfect pattern.

Offline Steve Helmick

  • AMA Member and supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 9950
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2006, 11:19:40 PM »
Howard Rush reported once that you could lay the plans on the balsa/plywood and just iron over it. A bit of the ink/toner transfers onto the wood. I haven't tried it, but it's about the only method I haven't tried.

I tend to make rib templates from plywood or aluminum, and other stuff from thin posterboard. Office Depot should have it.  I would probably try using Howard's ironing method, but iron onto posterboard, to make templates. Something like a profile fuselage isn't even worth making a template. Just lay it out with a scale and fine ballpoint pen, or build the core on the plans, and then sheet both sides.  Trim away everything that doesn't look right... LL~  Steve
"The United States has become a place where professional athletes and entertainers are mistaken for people of importance." - Robert Heinlein

In 1944 18-20 year old's stormed beaches, and parachuted behind enemy lines to almost certain death.  In 2015 18-20 year old's need safe zones so people don't hurt their feelings.

Offline Bill Little

  • 2017
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 12671
  • Second in COMMAND
Re: for all you scratch builers--help--
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2006, 01:21:21 AM »
what are your techniques for getting that part from the plans to the actual wood? Do you trace the part from the plans onto paper then glue the paper onto balsa then cut that piece out?

My son like to have copies of the plans so that he can cut them up and glue them on the wood.  Works great for him, but the local copy shop closed............

I do all kinds of things!  Whatever the mood at the time is.....  I use the C-Temp,  I used to use the carbon paper, I have done the "pin prick method" (like Werwage!) a whole lot, and I use a ruler and french curves a lot.  I cut everything I can with surgical scalpels  (a #24 blade in a #4 handle will do some SERIOUS cutting of balsa wood and even thin ply) since there ain't much that's sharper than a razor blade, and use a whole lot of sanding blocks.  ;D
Big Bear <><

Aberdeen, NC

James Hylton Motorsports/NASCAR/ARCA

AMA 95351 (got one of my old numbers back! ;D )

Trying to get by


Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here