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Offline Randy Powell

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Some thoughts on spraying
« on: January 13, 2008, 06:41:20 PM »
I was spraying clear tonight with my new toy. It's a decent quality MiniJet style spray gun. I was shooting Certified clear and having problems (as if this plane hasn't been one, long problem). I was getting some pretty serious orange peel and thought after several attempts at adjusting the gun and compressor (making it slightly better, but not really solving the problem), OK, the material is just too thick. Straight out of the can, the stuff is like maple syrup. I had cut it about 75% (1 part paint, 3 parts thinner) and did some drip tests. I had thought it was fine.

So, I cut it another 25% (another part thinner) and tried again. Better, but still not right. Ultimately, I just filled the gun up with thinner and shot a medium coat of it over the already well coated, but orange peeled plane. Surprise, it laid right out. Nice, smooth surface.

So, the moral of the story is, if it isn't right, keep experimenting. Clearly, the clear dope was still too thick to lay out nicely. I'll cut it another 50% or so before the next coat.

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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2008, 09:35:55 PM »
This is probably a stupid question but-- OH WELL--What do you do with the plane now?? Do you have to sand it all off or just spray color over it. I have never used a spray gun but I'm trying to get a setup now. Thanks.
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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2008, 10:40:57 PM »
Randy,
might be the mighty minijet atomizes to well! Thats what my thoughts would be. Glad you kept after it. Hopefully it dries as flat as it sounds like it flowed out. I guess the curse was a blessing since it was cold enough to allow the solvent to reflow the clear for you.
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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2008, 10:56:42 PM »
Randy...
its been my experience that peel generally comes from improper atomization..and or low spray pressures...or both..  i have had some guns that require lots of CFM... put on a coat of paint that looked like cottage cheese.. some guns are not designed to handle the new thicker clears.. mainly automotive types... if your shooting dope.. then by all means thin it till it is sprayable.... but be careful and let it dry throughly to let all that solvent leach out of it... it could... solvent pop on you anyway... caused by the paint skining over to quickly then the solvent wants to come out.. so it pops the top layer of the paint off to get out...sometimes it just takes more pressure to get the paint to atomize..depending on the gun..
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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 12:47:20 AM »
See, this is exactly why I'm afraid to spray my planes. If I had the same problem as Randy had, I wouldn't even have known what to try next. I'm just not prepared for big problems. It's pretty cold out these days and I don't really have a "indoor" place to paint unless I want to drive across town and use my business shop, and it's not heated. So i'm having to spray the Mustang outside in the dampness and then run it inside to dry. I don't like that.
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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 12:52:52 AM »
Crank the pressure up at the gun. Open the fluid control more. If the guns ok, it
 will come out like glass.   Keith

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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 12:55:12 PM »
Couple of things. The "coat" of thinner at the end is basically doing what Chris notes. Softening the surface so the solvents could escape. It also allowed the surface to lay out from the orange peel. Probably couldn't have gotten away with this if the temp had been warmer or if the humidity had been lower. It was just a means to solve a problem.

Interestingly, the gun is supposed to shoot at 10lbs (trigger depressed). Normally this means dialing the pressure in at the gun to about 22lbs. But I ended up having to dial the pressure at the gun up to about 35lbs to get good atomization. This sort of adjustment is just what you have to do to adjust to conditions.

Clint,

Don't worry. Just look at what the paint is doing. In this case. I initially shot paint at what normally works fine, but I could see orange peel that was clearly due to inadequate atomization. Sort of looks like you are shooting raindrops. Tried dialing up the pressure and it got better to a point, but still wasn't right. So, thin the mixture out until it is right. Unfortunately, I should have done all this on a test piece, but I didn't. So I kept shooting on the plane (and thinking I was looking forward to a lot of sanding) and making adjustments. When I had shot the whole plane, I realized that, very abnormally, it was all still quite wet. So I thought, OK, how do I get this still wet paint to smooth out. So that's when I decided to shoot the mostly thinner coat on. I figured what the heck. I may save myself some pain in sanding later. And as it turns out, it worked fine. The peel layed right out.

I think that's the point with a lot of painting. I'm still learning the tricks and quirks with this new gun and compressor, but some things are universal. As Chris notes, orange peel usually means inadequate atomization. This comes (given a good gun and compressor) from either not enough pressure or too thick of material (or both). Forget what the instructions for the gun say. They are usually a good guideline, but you have to do what works. Recognizing problems and knowing what to do to correct them just takes time with the equipment and knowing what it's supposed to look like. Not unlike flying a pattern.
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Re: Some thoughts on spraying
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 10:34:33 PM »
Just a note. I put on what I hope is the last coat of clear on the plane this evening. Man, I hate shooting paint where I can see my breath. Oh well, the additional thinning sure worked well. I shot the whole plane and it went on like glass. I got a little blushing, so I went back over it with straight thinner and the blush cleared right up. Best looking clearcoat job I've done in a long time. Now I just have to decide if 4 coats is enough or if I want to shoot the last pint on (thinned something like 80% from the original maple syrup).

Hopefully, I can get it assembled this weekend and get it ready for shipment with Mike Haverly. Man, I am so done with this plane.
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