Very nice artwork, Don. Though disheartening to see so much talent riding the Golden Parashootskis.

Rusty

Quote from: RknRusty on January 10, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
Very nice artwork, Don. Though disheartening to see so much talent riding the Golden Parashootskis.

Rusty

Here is one of my most admired leaders who worked his way from the wind tunnel model design group and thoughout the years...he climbed the Corp. ladder all he way up to become our Boeing President and CEO.
How fortunate and most proud I was to have personally  worked on many projects with him and his leadership team. He was a regular visitor and so often would bring aviation industry and Airline friends and customers to show off our latest windtunnel test model projects.

T.A. Wilson would often  leave his office on the 3rd floor of Corp building and just before  noon... would take the elevator down to the basement underground walkways and  then head down south to his favorite hangout to see his old friends and co-workers but most of all his keen interest and knowledge of aerodynamic was priceless..but evem more important he just love to see what kind of model testing was going  on at the Windtunnel.
He often would  spend lunch hours with many of his long time Aerodynamic model designers/ that I had the pleasure of working on recognition artwork projects with T.A. and his Corp. art director.
Here is a painting that was to be on the cover of Time magazine..but all of us took sooooo much time gathering ideas and after many many meetings...this was the final painting forTHE TIME MAGAZINE COVER!!!
NOT!!!
WE DIDN'T GET THE PAINTING  FINISHED IN TIME FOR THE MAGAZINE'S PUBLISHING DATE...and if you look closly...you can see that even the background isn't even finished.
We wasted WAAAAY TOOOOO  much time with meetings with waaay too many people. TOO MANY COOKS RUIN THE STEW..N ALL THAT JAZZ.
WE WERE ALL SO SADDEND AFTER ALL THE R&D...MANY HOURS IN SKETCHES,MEETINGS ETC...BOEING MISSED THE DEADLINE FOR THE TIME MAGAZINE'S COVER.
TIME HAD ANOTHER PAINTING BY ONE OF THEIR OWN ARTISTS THAT STEPPED IN AT THE LAST MOMENT...BECAUSE THE STORY WAS ALREADY TO GO TO PRESS.
TIME WOULD NOT LET US EVEN FLY OUR PAINTING DIRECTLY TO THE PRESS. THE MAGAZINE WAS ALREADY IN PRODUCTION.
Thankfully
Not was all lost...this painting hung in his home until after he passed this life. His wife Grace razzed and teased me about "taking the bump" out of  his nose in the drawing. His wonderful wife gave it back to the archives. However...this artwork ended up in someone fancy office in Renton---NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN?

At least I did have the Renton photographer shoot a photo of this artwork and send me a copy for my files for the memories.

Shultzie, you have a talent beyond compare with your paintings.  Also your memory of the Boeing works.   The stories you tell of your friends is also amazing.  Thanks for all of it.

Quote from: john e. holliday on January 11, 2014, 07:59:06 AM
Shultzie, you have a talent beyond compare with your paintings.  Also your memory of the Boeing works.   The stories you tell of your friends is also amazing.  Thanks for all of it.

Thanks,Doc!
When we first saw that make shift replacement TIME magazine cover...Truly it  most made me and others that were  involved in that project...  feel about a half  n' inch tall after we dropped the ball on that due date for this Time cover.
Even worse..we could see that the artist really didn't show T.A.s "TRUE COLORS" on their stand in artist. Worse yet... they didn't have a better photo of not only T.A. and deserving so, we caught lots of flack from  many Boeing brothers and sisters.... that this cover gave the entire world that all Boeing seemed to be interested in at that time was our WAR MACHINERY...
instead of our quest to continue to lead the aviation world in  DESIGNING AND CONTINUING TO  BUILD THE SAFEST. FASTEST,MOST COMFORTABLE COMMERCIAL AIRPLANES on this planet and also the quest for more knowledge of our solar system rhrough our amazing and unique SPACE PROGRAMS.

Interesting thread. Don, your response was interesting bringing up TA's name. I was in that building because of his son!

Turns out his son was a stress lead at Boeing who had been responsible for a static test of an AWACS (707 airframe) outboard wing test. Problem is the test failed too early, and the customer required a re-test. The CEO's son was shipped out somewhere and I was brought in to re-run the test. The parameter was that I was to re-run the test and without changing anything produce a successful result.

Long story short, I discovered that the higher loads on the AWACS version created too high a stress around a fuel tank cutout, and that was missed previously. This combined with some "questionable" 2024 used in the first test article and dimensional tolerance buildup at a fastener hole created the first low test result.

I was in that building because I wanted to be there in person when they drilled the critical hole in the new test article. After the hole was drilled, I wandered around and smelled those smells. There were some cool prop driven planes in that hanger as well!

Bottom line on that test: My analysis predicted it would make 164% of limit load.  It failed at 164.5% of limit load!! The next year I received my largest raise while at Boeing.

I never heard or saw TA's son after that!

Quote from: Paul Walker on January 17, 2014, 10:14:06 PM
Interesting thread. Don, your response was interesting bringing up TA's name. I was in that building because of his son!

Turns out his son was a stress lead at Boeing who had been responsible for a static test of an AWACS (707 airframe) outboard wing test. Problem is the test failed too early, and the customer required a re-test. The CEO's son was shipped out somewhere and I was brought in to re-run the test. The parameter was that I was to re-run the test and without changing anything produce a successful result.

Long story short, I discovered that the higher loads on the AWACS version created too high a stress around a fuel tank cutout, and that was missed previously. This combined with some "questionable" 2024 used in the first test article and dimensional tolerance buildup at a fastener hole created the first low test result.

I was in that building because I wanted to be there in person when they drilled the critical hole in the new test article. After the hole was drilled, I wandered around and smelled those smells. There were some cool prop driven planes in that hanger as well!

Bottom line on that test: My analysis predicted it would make 164% of limit load.  It failed at 164.5% of limit load!! The next year I received my largest raise while at Boeing.

I never heard or saw TA's son after that!

id
Not sure....He had two son's if I remember..  Thorton Wilson III rd' and Dan. However I think Dan was with T.A. at least a couple of times when they visit the Super Sonic tunnel testing that we were doin on our "Sonic Cruiser..which turned out to be our "SONIC LOSER!"

Dan was the one.....


Not Dan Wilson of Mariners fame...

Dan Wilson of TA Wilson fame!

Quote from: Paul Walker on January 22, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
Dan was the one.....


Not Dan Wilson of Mariners fame...

Dan Wilson of TA Wilson fame!

Just wonder if this is Dan? I took this from  my old 1991Managemen albums...but I doubt this is T.A. son Dan?
What do you think...
In those early daze-days I used to have communications with his other son TA WILSON IIIrd when I was making an ink drawing that was made into a brass plaque for his dad's final goodbye that took place at the Museum of flight.
At least the photo etch shop at the Aero Space Center jumped though the time schedule hoop JUST IN TIME just hours from the event and  was given to him by the Wind tunnel model design leader who retired shortly.

Quote from: Shultzie on January 22, 2014, 06:54:02 PM
Just wonder if this is Dan? I took this from  my old 1991Managemen albums...but I doubt this is T.A. son Dan?
What do you think...
In those early daze-days I used to have communications with his other son TA WILSON IIIrd when I was making an ink drawing that was made into a brass plaque for his dad's final goodbye that took place at the Museum of flight.
At least the photo etch shop at the Aero Space Center jumped though the time schedule hoop JUST IN TIME just hours from the event and  was given to him by the Wind tunnel model design leader who retired shortly.

Don,
I agree. I don't think that is TA's son. He looks too old in that picture for the time frame I was involved. I thought Dan was "about" my age.   Now old!

 (Yes, this photo doesn't look like TA son for sure.
Speaking of "NOW BEING OLD"
This photo shot the other day of our first  SNOW MAN AND DOG of the season here in Gig Harbor...that was being quickly constructed by my daughter, grandson and my wife Carol...WHO LOVES BUILDING SNOW MEN AND SNOW DOGS..after Sat nights quick dumping of 4.5 inches of the white stuff..
Sadly now  the  heavy rains began  last night in earnest...which is putting an end to that impressive project from yesterday morn.

how about the smell of a JETEX 150 on a pay load ship

Very few will remember THAT one!   

Mike!

I remember the Jetex smell to this day. First one I got was a Jetex 50 for Christmas. It was cold outside so decided to test it out in the basement.

Put the Jetex on the floor, lit the wick and it whizzed around bouncing off a few walls and smelling up the whole house.

Never did that again!

 I wish I could find a tube of old Ambroid.I can only imagine what memories that dissss- stink-tive smell would bring!

Perhaps some of those memories would not be the most pleasant.
For example......I once was virtually ALMOST KICKED out on the street in the early Portland State college daze-days 60's for using the furnace room  next to my single room apt. for building a modified twin tailed Smoothie.
It wasn't too long until the smell of Ambroid & Aerogloss fumes started traveling up the ducts transferring those toxic smells up to every apt. in that West Burnside Portland 3 story building.
Thankfully I was allowed to use a near by  basement storage closet that didn't contain any furnance vents.

The first time around a model airplane engine running, going to the hobby distributor with my uncle and gravitating to the balsa kits and wood ( mid to late sixties) wishing i could leave with a few, the first time I used dope to attach tissue to a rubber model or walk by my ol' lady painting her nails.

If you ever had the luxury of opening a Scientific hollow log kit, you will remember that wonderful odor all your life. Almost as good as when I would come home from some cold outside winter job to the smell of my wife's oatmeal date nut cookies baking in the oven.

"Oatmeal date nut cookies" Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Why did you go and have to say that?! Now I have to go bake some. 

Boy, That really sounds good! You luck dog! Enjoy one for will you?

Cheers, Jerry

Yeah Jerry, I just finished up a cookie jar full. It is a good thing she only makes them about twice a year cause I just cannot leave them alone. At least they don't get stale.

Quote from: Jim Kraft on April 04, 2014, 09:19:50 AM
If you ever had the luxury of opening a Scientific hollow log kit, you will remember that wonderful odor all your life....

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Yep, those were delightful odors......nearly as nice as the white pine in StromBecker solids.   

Well this past week I got the memory of glue odor.  As much as I use of SIGment it hadn't hit me until this past week when I was trying to get the gap to close up on the turtle deck of the newest of the Ringmaster family.   It is great the stuff shrinks when drying and holds a lot.   But, the odor just reminded me of when all I had was Duco Cement or Testors.   

The smell that brings me back to my youth every time is good ole Hoppes #9 gun cleaning solvent.  I remember watching my dad clean his shotguns and rifles after hunting trips and I loved the smell of the solvent.  Just last night after putting about 400 rounds through my M&P 40 I went to clean my gun and got to smell that wonderful smell that took me back and then remembered this post hahaha.

That Hoppes #9 is great stuff for making an old burnt castor brown engine look new again.
Rusty

I still remember the smell of Hobbypoxy paint. It brings me back to another era.

How'z 'bout out camping with your buddies, sittin' around the campfire eatin a big ol' pot of baked beans and hotdogs and later everybody crawling in the same tent (only had one) for hopefully a good night sleep only to be awaken with some of the most horrendous odors to ever infuse the human nasal passages!!   

Diesel model engine fuel and Duco cement brings me back. When ever I smell diesel model fuel I see my father starting a Webre diesel in the backyard. He had gotten it in Germany at the PX when he was in the service during the 50's.