Dear John,
I don't understand why you are still confused about the Nobler example? It was only an EXAMPLE PLANE. Please see my prior post to you on this, it is located in this post below. As I stated before,
"ALL" stripped and recovered ARFs will get APs in most parts of the country. Please read my prior posts on this thread for details.
This thread is about important "APPERANCE POINTS"!!!!! ... only a very very few care about the North East Regional contest (AKA nats) rules re: the BOM. ..... >99% of all contest flying is done under PAMPA rules which allows ALL planes to enter, the ONLY variable for discusion in the USA is
APPERANCE POINTS. Larry asked a very important question to start his thread. With only a few exceptions the answers have been a productive review of where we are in understanding the rules AS THEY ARE WRITTEN NOW. We have been operating under them for one full year now and it is a good time to review how they are being used in re: to APs.
PLEASE, I beg of you all, to put your HEAT aside and NOT get into the "why" and "who" of the past and start dealing with the reality of NOW (at least for two more years ;-). PLEASE keep this thread on the topic at hand: "how do CDs implement the PRESENT rules regarding APs at
PAMPA contests" ...... We will be under these same rules for two more years so it is important that we ALL have a clear understanding of how the CDs NATIONWIDE will use them.
If I can use Larry's beautiful Bob Palmer Smoothie as an example. Larry did an outstanding job recovering it and Bob would have been proud of it as an excellent example of his design. One of the main reasons we have NATIONAL rules is so that we can travel to contests far and wide and know that the rule book in our hands applies EVERYWHERE within our countries borders. Here in the West it is common to drive many hundreds of miles to contests throughout a very large region. It is important that the rules are both UNDERSTOOD and UNIFORMILY implemented to make it fair, inclusive, and FUN for everyone. Larry's recovered Smoothie should receive APs in LA the same as it would receive them in Phoenix AZ or Portland OR, or Charleston SC.
This is a very important concept. It is why the FAI CLPA rules work so well for the rest of the world. They are universally understood and applied uniformally throughout the world. They allow CL flyer's from every country on the planet (except one) to be treated fairly and KNOW what to expect from one contest to the other no matter which country they travel to. They can build a plane that meets a universal rule knowing that they can fly it and receive full points in 195 out of the 196 countries on spaceship earth.
Please, let's deal with the rule we have NOW and try and find some "facts" so we can address Larry's original question: What is the status of the AP rules in our country TODAY and for the next two years?"
I think it would be productive to hear from competition pilots and CDs from different regions of the country on the status of our AMA rules implementation re: APs. This may help those that are planning on competing at contests over the next two years make their plane selections re: APs.
John, re: your ? about the excellent UHP Gieske Nobler. This was an outstanding idea, but for better, or for worse, it ends up on the very edge of the rule. Some think that applying tissue over the SLC then painting it in the traditional manner makes it eligible for APs, others think not. Being on the very edge of the rule I would contact all the CDs in YOUR contest area and get their opinion before going forward with this excellent plane and expecting APs.
If someone wants to get off topic and go on and on and on about the past, then please start another thread so we can have an intelligent (dispassionate?
) discussion of the present rules, as they are written. TIA.
Warm Regards,
Isn't the horse dead yet? There is only one contest that BOM really applies and only three catagories/classes of stunt. In PAMPA Int, Adv and Opn it only applies for appearance points. Those that get appearance points for a plane that does not apply have only their conscience to contend with. Now if someone strips an ARF Nobler and recovers it, then gets appearance points then I would protest it if it is flown in ADV as that is the class I fly. If all other ARF's are illegal for stripping and refinishing then the ARF Nobler should be also. Now I have the question, "I have an UHP Gieske Nobler already covered with SLC, is it illegal after I put a finish over the SLC"? If the answer is yes, I will leave it in the car during appearance judging. In reality why don't we go ahead and bury the poor horse so he can rest in peace before the vultures get to him.
Hi Doc,
"......But if you can strip an ARF Nobler, recover it and the fly it, why not any of the other ARF's?...." ?
I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that this applies to ALL ARFs. I only used the ARF Nobler as an example because it has been so popular. The few people that say this ARF to ARC to ARF to RTF procedure does not meet the rule must be using some form of logic that is from another planet? ...... Where is "Spock" when we need him?
Regards,