Rusty I recently had a "world class" crash at Brodak's while practicing with my 59 Ares. I put it straight in at the bottom of a square outside loop.My lines went slack (wind?,windup?) and I lawn darted it. The ground was soft and she stood perpendicular nose buried about 6 inches deep . I didn't get a picture of it,but I'm certain someone out there did. Maybe a pic will appear somewhere. Shame to crash a good ship ,yours or mine,but we both know it's part of the deal.....PhillySkip