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Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« on: October 02, 2015, 09:57:20 PM »
All right here is the next project if anyone followed along with my 30 Day Ringmaster, I will have the same fun with this project. Items will include the addition of a balsa cowling and a restyled rudder. Also a control system upgrade will be added as well. I will also beef up the nose area and add a new tank. And a complete recover job removing the monokote and applying colored silk covering job. All info for this project will be taken from this forum in this ARF section. So, enjoy folks.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 09:57:58 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 09:58:29 PM »
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 05:02:22 AM »
Picture of the Nobler tail restyle.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 05:20:58 AM »
Pictures of the bellcrank. Sig 4" with Du-Bro heavy duty "Racing" 4-40 ball links.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2015, 07:01:20 PM »
I like it so far. What are you going to do for a LG? Aluminum or CF, I hope. There are some pictures (hopefully) of one rebuilt by Greg Bahrman that is really lovely, if you need some inspiration. He's in Simi Valley. H^^ Steve
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2015, 01:55:41 PM »
Don't forget to beef up the engine mounts.  Or are you going electric?
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2015, 04:50:46 AM »
Resumed work on the Nobler last night, Made a new firewall and then glued it in. Having trouble with the tank install but I have it figured out now. Hopefully this evening I can install the doubler extensions(?) on the nose to help stabilize everything.  I will get some pics tonight.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 04:47:30 PM »
John,

I've been following your Nobler build.  H^^

Was it you who was going to make a new cowling out of balsa and not use the glass one that came with the model?

If so, have you made it yet?

I think I will have to make one also.

Good job!

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2015, 01:11:01 PM »
Charles,

 I have been working on the Nobler again.
  And yes I will be making a new cowl and I will be posting pictures of my progress in the next couple of days.

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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 05:20:34 AM »
Picture time!!
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 05:26:07 AM »
So it's coming together. This the first full cowling I have built.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 07:33:00 PM »
John,

Shaping up! Isn't progress great.

Hey! I couldn't resist posting this photo. Sorry.

But we both use similar building tools!!  LL~

Here's the nose to my ARGO.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2015, 05:32:02 AM »
I worked on the cowl some more last night.. And made some good progress
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 07:56:04 PM »
John,

Nice progression photos.

That last photo tells it all.

You've done this before!

Looks great!  H^^

The model is getting there.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2015, 09:09:07 PM »
Looks great, but from the old man, you should have done a search.  Most of the guys glue a piece of 1/64 ply to the opening and take it down pretty thin. 
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2015, 05:09:52 AM »
Doc,

 I have seen that technique utilized before and I may still try it. I am not happy with the consistency in the thickness of the inlet. I believe that is one of the toughest parts of carving the cowling. I have one of Joe Rienharts planes and man, can he ever carve a beautiful cowling!!
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2015, 05:49:51 AM »
I got to do a little work yesterday on the Noblarf cowling. I think I have around 9 hours of actual labor and somewhere around 20 hours of thinking about it..!!! So i got the cooling outlets cut, the hole for the igniter driver, the locating pin for the front of the cowl, and the cowl hold down bolt. For the hold down I used a piece of aluminum tubing that was .234 O.D (or so) I believe I used a letter "D" drill. I counterbored the tubing for the 4-40 capscrew, this allows the tubing to clamp up against the fuselage structure.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2015, 03:33:37 PM »
Goodness! That looks sweet

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2015, 05:05:19 PM »
Goodness! That looks sweet

A happy smile, even up side down.

Looking really good!  H^^
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2015, 08:54:36 PM »
I got to do a little work yesterday on the Noblarf cowling. I think I have around 9 hours of actual labor and somewhere around 20 hours of thinking about it..!!! So i got the cooling outlets cut, the hole for the igniter driver, the locating pin for the front of the cowl, and the cowl hold down bolt. For the hold down I used a piece of aluminum tubing that was .234 O.D (or so) I believe I used a letter "D" drill. I counterbored the tubing for the 4-40 capscrew, this allows the tubing to clamp up against the fuselage structure.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2015, 08:25:24 PM »
My thoughts maybe are more practical-minded...a bigger hole for the ignitor...you may want to use aluminum tubing to line the hole or at least soak the balsa well with thinned epoxy. Might also want to add a mini-phone jack and wiring to the glowplug for a remote battery.

And also, make absolutely certain that you will be able to put a finger over the venturi while pulling the prop through. Even being able to spin the prop over with an electric finger while slipping an index finger onto the venturi can be useful at times. (I do it all the time!)

Some may say these doo-dads are too fancy for an ARF Noblur, but you'll gain experience from the doing and the failures, if any. Keep up the good work!  H^^ Steve
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2015, 05:53:47 AM »
Thanks for the good words Steve, I had planned on lining the intake as well as the hole for the igniter with 1/64th plywood. Finally picked up some this week end and work on that will resume this week.

 I made some other progress this weekend, I intalled the improved bellcrank/leadout assy. into the wing and worked on the canopy/cockpit details. I also started on the handle for this airplane.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2016, 02:37:32 PM »
Nice work so far.  How difficult was it to remove the covering before you started?  Really like the rudder re-work. Although the Nobler is Iconic,..the rubber has never really turned my crank. Much prefered the look of Bob G's stylings.  Your cowling work is awewome!

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2016, 06:16:14 AM »
Curmudgeon time!  mw~

With all this rework, crafty planning and great craftsmanship, why did you not just do a build from scratch or at least a  kit?  VD~

Great work, and welcome documentation! I hope the finishing goes as well as the structure and control work.

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2016, 02:19:34 PM »
 Back at it with the Noblarf.!!!!

 My Cycle 4 repair went well and now it is time to finish this one up.
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« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2016, 10:31:33 AM »
Worked on the covering last night.
Brodak Silkspan with Randolph Nitrate (non-tautening) I kinda like the blue tint to the dope.
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« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2016, 02:12:16 PM »
When you put in the B/C it looks like you changed from the 4" to the 3" ??? wouldn't the 4" fit ??
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2016, 02:24:48 PM »
Good eye Leester!!! The 4" would not fit without some major surgery and it was time to close up the center section. If I build a Nobler from scratch, I will definitely incorporate the 4" crank.
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2016, 04:55:25 PM »
I haven't tried the Brodak silk span. How do you like it?

I'm about out of the old stuff

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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2016, 07:37:55 AM »
Ken,

 I really like the Brodak Silk span!! Seems like it really conforms to the wing tips with out any trouble at all. Shrinks nice. Could be the Randolph dope i'm using.... Anyway check out the wing tip..
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2016, 09:36:20 AM »
it looks great. I'll pick some up on my next order.

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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2016, 12:45:04 PM »
Worked on the covering last night.
Brodak Silkspan with Randolph Nitrate (non-tautening) I kinda like the blue tint to the dope.

When you order Randolph clear, you can ask for the blue tint to be deleted. I was lucky to have Rod Claus with me at Spencer Aircraft. He said they normally put the blue tint in it so the guy painting a 1:1 scale plane can see where he's applied "clear" and where he hasn't.  y1 Steve   
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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2016, 12:35:53 PM »
I honestly didn't mind the blue tint.. Kinda nice to see where you are at. Not sure what it will do to the top coats?
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2016, 09:12:33 AM »
I honestly didn't mind the blue tint.. Kinda nice to see where you are at. Not sure what it will do to the top coats?

John,

My guess is you will be applying primer over your tinted clear. I loose track when applying clear. soooooo, with the Gee Bee Z, I have a score sheet. I'll do the same with the ARGO II.

About that 4" bellcrank. I only use a 3" bellcrank, on everything. Am I missing something by not using a 4" one?

You did a great job with the model.  H^^

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« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2016, 09:58:27 AM »
More progress, Wing and empenage covered. I have the 6 oz tank fitted. Elev. pushrod installed and working well. Made up this landing gear last night that I will finish on a sheetmetal brake. I also painted the tank/engine compartment.
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2016, 07:11:02 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2016, 11:27:31 AM »
Noblarf is at a standstill now, got too many honeydoos and 3 (countem') girls playing Travel Softball so progress will be slow going forward. As soon as I get some more done I will post. In my few free moments I have in the hangar I have been fooling with some engines converting them to CL So be on the lookout on the 'Bay. Got some nice FP's and maybe some LA's listed soon. BTW "boywonder67" is my handle 
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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2016, 07:31:33 AM »
John,

I was reviewing your Thread. Great Thread and nice work!  H^^

Did you purchase a Tom Morris retro-fit control linkage setup or did you wing it with parts?

I was wondering how the Tom Morris Nobler setup fit?

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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2016, 10:21:20 AM »
Charles, go back and read from the beginning again.    VD~ VD~  Sorry I just had to do it even though it may upset you. H^^
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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2016, 12:59:38 PM »
Charles, go back and read from the beginning again.    VD~ VD~  Sorry I just had to do it even though it may upset you. H^^

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2016, 07:15:04 PM »

Did you purchase a Tom Morris retro-fit control linkage setup or did you wing it with parts?

I was wondering how the Tom Morris Nobler setup fit?

Charles

I got my Tom Morris Controls the other day.

Just not sure yet how to make it all work yet ;D ??? :o
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2016, 07:45:33 PM »
I got my Tom Morris Controls the other day.

Just not sure yet how to make it all work yet ;D ??? :o

Liner,

Great!

What are the measurements on the horns. From wire to hole?

It would be appreciated.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2016, 12:48:04 PM »
Charles,

 I just made my own stuff. Made up both pushrods from carbon pushrod kits from the local hobby shop. wrapped the ends with paracord innards. 3'" Sig Bellcrank, 3/32 flap horn from Brodak, stock horn in the elevator.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2016, 05:09:17 PM »
Liner,

Great!

What are the measurements on the horns. From wire to hole?

It would be appreciated.

Charles
Bellcrank to flap horn 1.250, flap horn to elevator .750, elevator horn .750. Center of wire to center of holes on the horns.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2016, 06:20:07 PM »
Bellcrank to flap horn 1.250, flap horn to elevator .750, elevator horn .750. Center of wire to center of holes on the horns.

John, Liner,

Thanks for that. I may go John's way to save some money. I'm still trying to sell my ARF Nobler, so I have some time to decide.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2016, 05:13:54 AM »
Some progress finally. We are getting close to completion!! 1st pic shows the set up for 0-0-0 using an incidence meter and various levels.
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2016, 07:41:50 AM »
Some progress finally. We are getting close to completion!! 1st pic shows the set up for 0-0-0 using an incidence meter and various levels.
Where did you get that set up?
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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2016, 08:00:11 PM »
Where did you get that set up?

The incidence meter might be from Robart.  Hangar 9 also had one called the Angle Pro but I think it has been discontinued. Too bad because the Angle Pro came with a nifty little digital inclinometer.  I have not seen any of these Angle Pros left over in any hobby shops but if I ever do I will get it to have a back up for that inclinometer.

The Robart tool works fine.  It has a bubble level and a needle and scale to read.  No inclinometer.

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Re: Nobler ARF Rebuild with a restyle..
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2016, 08:07:02 PM »
The incidence meter might be from Robart.  Hangar 9 also had one called the Angle Pro but I think it has been discontinued. Too bad because the Angle Pro came with a nifty little digital inclinometer.  I have not seen any of these Angle Pros left over in any hobby shops but if I ever do I will get it to have a back up for that inclinometer.

The Robart tool works fine.  It has a bubble level and a needle and scale to read.  No inclinometer.
Where can I get one?
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