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New Brodak E Vector 40
« on: April 22, 2017, 09:19:04 AM »
Just getting started on prototype

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2017, 09:59:24 AM »
Please tell us more...

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 10:45:34 AM »
This is a nice arf, arc I'm put it together now, going to real lite. Changing trim to Orange.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 07:03:30 PM »
So where did this kit come from? Are they available?
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 10:21:49 PM »
I got this one at the Toledo show. They should be making them now, should be in sometime  in June 

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2017, 07:02:13 AM »
So where did this kit come from? Are they available?


Hi Doug
I have been working on this for about 18 months.  Last summer the company that John Brodak contracted submitted prototypes for the Vector and  later on the SV-11.  The company that builds these does a spectacular job on all the wood parts, we needed a little more TLC on some details and the control line specific hardware.  I designed the electric installations for both models and evaluated the first prototypes of the electrics.  Randy Smith (designer of the Vector & SV-11) evaluated the IC versions of both.  Changes were made. The model that Steve picked up is the final "prove out" version.  Since Steve had not seen the first prototype he came into this with no preconceived notions and a fresh set of eyes to evaluate the build.  Sounds like his experience has been real good.  

Steve had built one of the earlier Vector ARF's (or ARC?) and he has noted that the new versions are better built.  I flew the proto E-Vector last spring before handing it over to Mr. Brodak.  The electric SV-11 prototype is RTF, pending a few more degrees on the thermometer and a few less mph on the wind gauge!

The IC powered versions of both models will be available as an ARF or an ARC, the electric versions will be available as ARF only.  Delivery target is late June or July
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2017, 08:35:58 AM »
Dennis  has done a great job on these. After Putting  together  a E Ringmaster and  finding how good it Flys,  I want to help out a little. It may take up more of his time talking to me all the time, then if he did it him self. I will show more pictures as I get it done.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2017, 08:40:34 PM »
Dennis;

Are the "E" models set up for both Front and Rear motor mounting?

Thanks

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2017, 08:58:35 PM »
Dennis;

Are the "E" models set up for both Front and Rear motor mounting?

Thanks

Carl


Both are set-up for front mounted motors.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2017, 08:29:31 PM »
What do they weigh?


MM

Hi MM
Not sure yet.  Last years protos were heavy.  The E-Vector weighs 55 oz with a 4Sx2700 battery.  The E-SV11 is 73 oz RTF.  I told the builder we needed 7-8 oz reduction and they pledged to achieve that.  I am awaiting to see the final weight on Steve's Vector, but I know they added a lot of air in place of balsa - which is usually an effective path.

Last year's 55 ouncer flies quite well, if they get it under 50 oz I think it will be great.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2017, 10:01:10 PM »
Dennis, will the SV-11 be available ARC and ARF?
Might a brave sole be able to trim out some of the weight before covering of an ARC model??

I love the looks of the SV-11....
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2017, 08:29:08 AM »
I was told on good authority that Last years prototypes were for fit and finish. Not for weight. Production ones should be lighter.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2017, 11:55:16 AM »
Hi Chris
The IC powered versions of the Vector & SV11 will be available in ARF & ARC.  The electric versions are ARF only.


Hi Doug
Last years prototypes showed terrific workmanship on all of the wood work.  There were problems with the control systems and in some of the details, plus they seemed heavier than they needed to be.  Brodak sent bell cranks and control horns for the kits plus pictures of how to do the control installations - and they did a real nice job on the final prove out builds.  BTW, the SV11's will be built with the heavy duty PSP bell cranks and 1/8" wire horns, the control surfaces all equipped with lucky boxes.  Folks at the Toledo show this year got to see these prove out models.

Last I heard the delivery is looking like mid July or so.  I have not seen any prices yet.


I finally was able to sneak out in a somewhat breezy day to test fly the electric SV11.  It flies extremely well (surprise, huh?) and I will be detail trimming it between now and the Fly-In - expect to be able to "pass it around" to anyone who wants to try it out.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2017, 02:04:35 PM »
What is the power system/prop in the E SV11, Dennis?
Any idea of milliamps replaced after a flight to the battery?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2017, 06:21:19 PM »
What is the power system/prop in the E SV11, Dennis?
Any idea of milliamps replaced after a flight to the battery?

Thanks in advance.

Hi Chris
An EXTREMELY small data sample: 2 patterns.  APC 13x4.5, prototype of new Brodak 3520 motor (950kV) Brodak F2B Hornet 60qA ESC, with Hubin FM-Hornet timer, 5.5 sec laps on .018x65' cables, 8 laps after pattern.  Flying in 8-10mph winds, used 2550 mah out of the 4Sx3500 packs.  I would expect the battery usage to go up to maybe 2800 or so on a calm day (whatever those are).  In any case I expect these packs to last a long time using like this!

I used this power system in part because the 4Sx3500 packs are insanely light (274 g).  If I had instead used my usual 6S power system I would have expected to use about 1700mah at the cost of a couple ounces.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2017, 07:55:57 PM »
Great Dennis!

Sounds like @ 25-26A average, maybe less if your flight is over 6 minutes.
Motor should be using @ 375W or so.
275g is very light for those packs indeed....
Sounds like some good results.

Any pics you can divulge of the business end??
Top or bottom load for batteries?

Thanks.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2017, 03:58:04 AM »
I WANT ONE!

Better yet, I want one of each!
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2017, 06:36:00 PM »
Hi Chris,
The Vector has a top side battery hatch, the SV-11 has a left (inboard) side battery hatch. Both electrics are designed for front mounted motors.  The Vector has the mounting holes on a 25mm bolt circle which fits most of the popular motors (Turnigy as two on 25mm and 2 on 19mm, Rimfire has 4 on 19mm, there may be other out there).  The SV-11 has slots that will accommodate the Arrowind 3526 (4 x 4mm on 30mm bc) and the new Brodak (and most others, with 4 x 3mm on 25mm bc).

One unusual feature on the SV-11 is that the wing is installed from the TOP.  Reason being that the fuselage is actually somewhat deeper below the wing (designed for pipe tunnel) than above the wing. By putting the cut-out on the top the fuse remains its rigidity and alignment better.  However the Vector has the cutout through the bottom.

Both airplanes include a scoop built into the nose to direct air into the front of the motor, while the main chin scoop will cool the ESC & batteries. Don't freak out over the nose picture, they build just a front end mock-up from F1 forward to work out how they were going to build the electric nose, the "real" fuselages have continuous body side and doubler systems.  The SV-11 is shown, the Vector very similar. The scoop is in a very advantageous position for pumping air through the front of the motor.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2017, 09:39:59 PM »
Looks nice, Dennis.
I'll save some pennies.
Thanks for posting pictures.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2017, 07:33:43 PM »
Motorman,
It is here and appears to be ready for its first contest flights tomorrow.  A few trimming sessions and adjustments have taken place and Samantha appears to be able to steer it around the air well.  Will see how it works out tomorrow.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2017, 11:48:23 AM »
Nice news, open eyes, keep us posted!!!!!

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2017, 01:26:12 PM »
The eVector was hit by electric gremlins today so did not get in an official.  Steve is working hard to get things right so Samantha can give it a shot again tomorrow.  I have a front row seat as a judge for that class.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2017, 02:12:18 PM »
It came in at 46.5 Oz,  that is with the big motor and 3500 battery. I added cross bracing  in the stability and elevator,  and Tom  morris  coving and the China coat. Samantha  got a 337 with only 4 full patterns before her flight.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2017, 02:18:12 PM »
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2017, 05:22:59 PM »
Now, when will the Vector and SV-11 be available to the public??
That is the question.

Looks good and nice weight.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2017, 06:34:20 PM »
Steve and Samantha got the bugs worked out on the airplane and she did a decent pattern with it even though she had a limited number of flights.  Trouble was in the speed control, dropped in a new one and everything worked as designed.  I hear that the container with the latest round of goodies is due in port some time in July.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2017, 11:41:33 PM »
If that's representative of the expected weight of the new ARF's, then that's a great sign!
Laser-cut, "Ted Fancher Precision-Pro" Hard Point Handle Kits are available again.  PM for info.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2017, 05:01:56 PM »
Now, when will the Vector and SV-11 be available to the public??
That is the question.

Looks good and nice weight.

Hi Chris

Estimate  is  Late July to Mid August, hopefully they will be shipping to customers by then
I will post when they arrive

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2017, 06:39:54 PM »
Sounds good. Maybe my engine work and the sv-11 can ship together. Not that the tt 36 will go in that plane...
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2017, 09:20:39 AM »
Oh no, not those thousands of control horns that weren't soldered right!! https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/bh-749-control-horns/


MM

That post WAS pretty funny wasn't it?
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2017, 06:54:56 PM »
Any updated info on the status of the ARC/ARF's?
I'm chomping at the bit here! LOL.
Thanks!
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2017, 08:31:42 AM »
Last I heard is that they are now looking more like end of the year delivery.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2017, 11:12:08 AM »
Boo/hiss!
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2017, 06:23:37 AM »
Boo/hiss!

AGREE! I have been flying the electric SV-11 prototype - its good!  I flew one of the warm-up flights for the judges at the NATs with it.  Hope is to "pass it around" and let others fly it too.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2017, 09:54:19 AM »
Last I heard is that they are now looking more like end of the year delivery.

Not the best news I've heard all day.
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2017, 05:36:05 PM »
If they are doing a decent job on the kit, don't rush it. VD~
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2017, 12:55:49 PM »
The Vector  Kits  and  SV-11  kits  will be  shipped soon, and will be  in stock  around Oct 1 week
please let me know if you want to pre order and be on the shipping  list  for these

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2017, 03:14:10 PM »
I'm in for a glow sv-11 arf or arc. Preferably arc.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2017, 12:12:49 AM »
I'm in for a glow sv-11 arf or arc. Preferably arc.
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Hi Chris
If you have not already , You would need  to order one, and  give address for shipping details, and  payment  info

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2017, 01:02:32 AM »
Sent you an email with details. I'd like cf gear also.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2017, 04:41:53 PM »
 D>K Tap Tap Tap
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2017, 09:51:50 PM »
In this day and age, a good option would be to send the customer an electronic instruction book-via email, ahead of time.
They could save money, time, and trees.
I know there is like 2% that don't have capability to do that, but we ARE on an online chat forum (Just Sayin'!).

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2017, 12:30:02 PM »
Dropping in on line to Randy or RSM or Brodak as well as all other's and simply down loading a good PDF would work just fine... for me

I try to keep pretty good current computers and printers... no need for a printed manual....for me
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2018, 01:45:23 PM »
My Electric Vector ARF was delivered today. So far I have opened the box, unwrapped the major assemblies, and read the instruction booklet. At first glance everything looks good.
I have to say I DO NOT LIKE wrapping the third pass of leadout wire around the outside of the crimp tube then back through. If you’re going to use the crimp method, I would prefer to see it folded over and passed through the tube as per the AMA rulebook method. Mechanically it probably makes no difference, but it looks cleaner.
The construction looks very well done. Covering is nice, might need a little bit of ironing here or there, but nothing horrible.
The bellcrank looks to be well mounted, adjustable leadout slider is just as I would make it with the white plastic block. Hardware package looks good, but I’m going to be using DuBro barrel hinges, not the CA hinges supplied.
One discrepancy I noticed was the recommended motor. On the box it says 2820, in the instruction book it says 2826. My gut tells me the 2820 will be enough. If it comes out tail heavy then 2826 might just be the ticket.
All in all I’m pleased with it, and impressed by the craftsmanship.
Tomorrow is a busy day. Assembly will likely start Friday.
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2018, 03:53:07 PM »
I unpackaged the major assemblies and weighed the contents of the box.
Total weight is 29.1 oz. Of that, the hardware, landing gear, pushrods, wheel pants, etc. weighs 6 oz.
So the covered airframe parts including leadouts, bellcrank, and flap horn come in at 23.1 oz.
Power system is expected to weigh 17.4 oz. without a spinner.
Looks like 46.5 oz. plus glue, tip weight, and spinner.
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2018, 09:48:54 AM »
One discrepancy I noticed was the recommended motor. On the box it says 2820, in the instruction book it says 2826. My gut tells me the 2820 will be enough. If it comes out tail heavy then 2826 might just be the ticket.

Hi Jim
Guess that's on me.  The prototype is powered by an Arrowind 2820 which because of its larger diameter (actually a 30mm) it is the equivalent of an AXI, Cobra, E-FLite 2826.  However but the time the kit arrived we had found and spec'd out the new Brodak 2826.  The new motor is the smaller frame but is a 3-bearing motor and is designed for front mounting.  It is a few grams heavier than the AW.

The prototype also weighed in at om 56 oz, and was modified to take the weight out.  I agree that if yours turns out leas than 50 oz then a 10" prop, and a "normal" 2820, or an Arrowind 2815 will be the ticket - sizing up if needed for balance.

ENJOY and keep us updated on your progress.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2018, 08:17:05 AM »
Hi Dennis, thanks for the input.
I was referring to what you called a “normal” 2820, as in a Cobra motor. I’ve pretty much settled on that brand.
Interestingly, the Electric Vector ARF page at the Brodak web site suggests yet a third motor which is nearly identical to a Cobra 2826/10. Dimensions are all the same, just a slight difference in KV. Even the mounting pattern is the same.
If the 2820 won’t haul the mail the 2826 will bolt right in, just slightly longer.
I have to get out in the garage now.
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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2018, 02:48:28 PM »
Okay, it’s getting down to the wire now. Fishing through the remaining bits and pieces, I came across these. I saw no mention of these in the directions, but not knowing what they’re for I might have missed something.
What are they?
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2018, 04:04:53 PM »
Hi Jim and Dennis:

My new E-Vector ARF is ready for testing except minus the spinner and wheel pants for balance purposes.
Mine has the new Brodak 2826 in it and with the present set up the RTF weight is 47 oz..
Given the specs of the various motors the Brodak should be a ton of power for this plane.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2018, 04:12:50 PM »
Okay, it’s getting down to the wire now. Fishing through the remaining bits and pieces, I came across these. I saw no mention of these in the directions, but not knowing what they’re for I might have missed something.
What are they?

I just reread the instructions and found that these little gizmos are to reinforce the wheel pants. I skipped that section before because I’m not in the habit of dressing my wheels.
What a relief! They look suspiciously like something that might reinforce a bellcrank post. In fact, they might just do that in another plane, another time.
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2018, 04:18:37 PM »
Hi Jim and Dennis:

My new E-Vector ARF is ready for testing except minus the spinner and wheel pants for balance purposes.
Mine has the new Brodak 2826 in it and with the present set up the RTF weight is 47 oz..
Given the specs of the various motors the Brodak should be a ton of power for this plane.

That Brodak motor has nearly identical specifications as the Cobra 2826/10. I’m thinking you have plenty of power.
My Primary Force is right at 45 oz ready to launch, I’m running a Cobra 2820 on that. It does very well.
I’m putting a Cobra 2820 in the Vector as well. I expect it to do the job. But, if it needs more grunt, or if it’s tail heavy, the 2826 will bolt right in.
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I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2018, 05:54:30 PM »
Finished! It flies tomorrow morning.
48 oz ready to launch.
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2018, 04:02:30 AM »
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Waiting for the report!!!!

Kind regards from Spain.

Manuel.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2018, 07:08:13 PM »
Can someone who has finished and flight-tested the E-Vector 40 post the complete electric setup.  Specifically interested in the final choice of motor, battery and actual charge usage, prop/RPM and line length.

I got one for my kid, and ready to buy batteries, but don't want to miss out on capacity.

Thanks!

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2018, 12:16:13 AM »
Hi Mike....
Jim Mynes has a great flying electric Vector....you might PM him

Have fun!

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2018, 04:39:28 AM »
I’m using a Cobra 2826/10, Castle Edge Lite 50, Hubin FM-9, and ThunderPower 4S 2800 battery. The prop is an APC 12x6E cut down to 11”. Lap time is about 5.1 seconds on 60’ lines.
I don’t know off the top of my head what the RPM is. If I recall correctly I started at 9300 and went up a little bit from there.
At the end of the flight the battery has 26-27 percent remaining.

I think an APC 11x5.5E would work, too.

I had a Cobra 2820/12 in it and that gave similar performance until it turfed multiple times on takeoff at Brodak’s and let the smoke out.
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.

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Re: New Brodak E Vector 40
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2018, 04:27:44 PM »
I went flying today and paid more attention to the details.

Actual RPM is 9090.
Flight time 5:40.
29% battery remaining.

I’m sure the bigger motor is more quiet than the 2820, which doesn’t make sense to me because I thought most of the noise was generated by the propeller. It’s definitely quieter, maybe the motor isn’t working so hard?
I have seen the light, and it’s powered by a lipo.


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