Author Topic: New Gieseke Nobler (Read 5243 times)

Neal Beekman · « **on:** June 15, 2008, 08:58:54 AM »

I was at the Fantastic Brodak's event this year and I was a little dissapointed that the New Gieseke Nobler was not on display.I am sure sales would be made if it was on display.

My Opinion, See Ya NEAL B.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #1 on:** June 15, 2008, 03:41:32 PM »

I take it you did not inquire as to why they were not available on site. I know mine came from Brodak, but, money was sent to UHP. DOC Holliday

SteveMoon · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2008, 08:30:46 AM »

Neal: The Gieseke Nobler component kit is an Ultra Hobby Products item,
not a Brodak item. They are being drop shipped from Bordak's because they
came from China on his container. No sense in double shipping them to my
house and then me shipping them out. Since there was nobody from UHP
at the Fly-In they weren't on display. John has already done more than
enough for me in helping me in this project, so there is no way I would have
asked him to be a rep for me also; especially at his own contest.

Thanks, Steve

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2008, 09:06:00 AM »

You Dallas guys are simply going to have to move the date of your contest so you can go to Brodaks.

SteveMoon · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2008, 08:16:18 AM »

Bob: It's not the date, I can easily skip the DASH to go to
Brodak's. It's the distance and the closeness in time to the
Nats. I can't afford to go to both. Sooner or later I'm sure I
will skip the Nats a time or two and go to the Fly-In.

Steve

Steve Biggins · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2009, 01:42:28 AM »

Is anyone flying the UHP Nobler out there? I am very interested to here any coments.
Many thanks Steve

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2009, 08:49:06 PM »

We have one of the UHP G.Nobler ARC's in the club. It should be at VSC in March. It's covered with Ultracoat, except the fuselage is painted. The bad thing is that it came out significantly tailheavy with its Brodak .40/stock muffler. There's no proof that this is a trend, but it could happen. The unfortunate thing is that the B.40 doesn't fit any good heavy mufflers....like my Magnum .36, which has an OS .46LA muffler bolted on. I would suggest taking a good look at the CG before your engine decision is made. Otherwise, the owner likes it.

Steve

Walter Hicks · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2009, 12:04:28 PM »

Hello everyone,

I took .5 oz out of the fuse by cutting the holes as per Top Flite plans and I also took more than that .6 I believe out of the stab and elevators by coring the out and using 1./16 ribs . The Stab weighs 1.2 and the elevators weigh
.9 covered with SLC. I was concerned about just what was described. I Am hoping that is enough to make it not so tail heavy with the Brodak .40 .If not I have a Byron Barker TT.36 which is heavier. I believe Steve Moon had an Aerotiger .36 in the prototype . By using geodetic ribs they are fairly stiff.

Rod Claus · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2009, 01:02:05 PM »

Hi Guys,
I am the "owner" that Steve is talking about.
We removed all the SLC covering and recovered the wings and tail surfaces with pearl red ultracote.We then used two coats of finishing epoxy(wiped off with paper towels),a few coats of rattle can primer and a few coats of Lustercote.This method added 5 oz. to the overall weight.Now,with a B-40,Scott Dinger muffler,lite spinner and a carbon prop,the total weight was 43 oz. Cool!! Then I had to add 5 oz. nose weight to bring the CG per the UHP plans.At 48 oz. it becomes a small challenge for the Brodak 40.We flew it at 43 oz. and tail heavy.It flew very nice but pitch sensitive(DUH!!).Now with 2 flights at 48 oz. and high warm air here in Phoenix and Tucson,I will have to find more power.I will try the big venturi that the Brodak comes with (using a .272 dia. now)and some different props.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »

hey Rod,
think LA 46!

Bootlegger · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:11:33 PM »

Walter Hicks, I sent you an e mail on the UHP Nobler. Would like to get some info from ya'...........Thanks, Bootlegger

Walter Hicks · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2009, 08:28:51 PM »

Hi All,

I thought I would post this information regarding th weights of my UHP G Nobler Componet kit.

I have yet to Assemble it but the various parts are as follows:

Wing with flap pushrod 10.8

Flaps 1.0

Pushrod with both horns 1.1

Fuse with Cowl/Rudder 10.1** I made lightening holes per TF G Nobler plans took out .5 oz from stock.

Wheel Pants .6

Landing Gear .8

Wheels .5 **Not kit wheels

Stab/Elevator 2.0 ** I cored them and put 1/16 ribs Geodetic

Brodak .40 6.8

Brodak Muffler 1.8 *** OR Chip muffler .4

Prop /Spinner 1.4 *C/F Eather 10.5x4.5

Tank ?? 1.75

TOTAL W/O PAINT 38.85 ** All with SLC covering ***

Bootlegger · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2009, 07:54:07 AM »

Walter , thanks for the info... Bootlegger

Rod Claus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2009, 10:28:08 AM »

Walter,
That is just about what mine weighed before the covering started.But,do check the CG at that point and go from there.I think the things you have done to the aft fues. and stab will really help.
Mark....I'm in Arizona right now and don't have an LA46 on hand or that is exactly what would happen.
The LA46 will just about bolt in with minor changes,so look out Buddy!!

See you this spring.....

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2009, 11:34:13 AM »

I would really like to see a pic of this Nobler. Are there any differences in the basic design, ie. wing shape etc?

Rod Claus · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2009, 04:46:40 PM »

Glenn,
Go to Steve Moon's Ultra Hobby neat website.All the info is there.It is a very nice ARC.
http://www.egpworld.com/ultrahobby/catalog/COMPONENT%20KITS.htm
Steve has a new website,but I don't have it on my traveling laptop.

We tried the .301 venturi that comes with the engine,a Thunder Tiger 11 x 4.5 prop and some 15/22 fuel.Wow!! The Brodak really barks with this combo and is using only about 3.5 oz of fuel.It was quite windy,so we didn't do too much,but will work on it some more.

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2009, 07:08:07 PM »

Thanks much, Rod. Wow...real nice stuff.

Rod Claus · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2009, 10:49:02 AM »

I was just looking at the website and realised that my Component kit does not have the rear fues. cutouts.I have the UHP plans and they show the cutouts.
I have some ideas on what to do about the tail heavy condition but will have to wait until we get back home.
Also,does anybody have a link to the new UHP website?
Thanks

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2009, 09:05:55 PM »

Great Googley Boogley Bros. turned up this: http://www.ultrahobbyproducts.com/Home_Page.php

As it says Copyright 2008/2009, I expect it's the new one.

Steve

Lyle Spiegel · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2009, 09:51:13 AM »

Making progress on my component kit GN. Applied light weight silkspan applied over the SLC, and replaced the crimped leadouts with wrap. On the digital scale weight to this point is 26 oz including cowl, LG with wheels. The B40 +tounge muffler ,tank ,prop, spinner, pushrod add another 11.5 oz which brings me to 37.5 oz before finish & tip weight. Need more clear to prepare the finish - not too late to make cut outs in the rear fuselage as discussed in this thread and shown in photo on UHP site if that is needed to avoid need for nose weight. Would like Steve Moon to advise why rear fuse in the component kits were not cut out and if cutting out will result in any structural weakness.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2009, 07:15:04 PM »

Lyle...check Walter Hicks' chart of weights. He made the cutouts in his fuselage and dropped .5 oz. I don't think that's worth the potential for weakness, especially torsional flexing during flight, and the chance that somebody will stick their thumb through the covering. Sandpaper is a better way to save weight!

Steve

Walter Hicks · « **Reply #21 on:** February 15, 2009, 09:28:23 PM »

Lyle,

Did you by any chance check to see how much weigh the silkspan added when it was applied over the SLC?

What did you use Nitrate or Polycrilic? It is decision time for me whether to paint it directly on SLC or use 00 silkspan.

Thanks W Hicks

Rod Claus · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2009, 11:02:35 AM »

Steve,
Thanks for the website update,thats the one.
We flew the G.Nobler in actual competition last weekend during the Southwick Memorial meet here in Phoenix.This is a terrific flying model.It was well received by the crowd.Thanks to all for your positive comments.

Things to ponder.......
The Brodak 40 is a very light engine and affects the W/B of the airplane.You will either have to add weight to the nose,choose a heavier engine or do some lightining in the rear before covering.
The plans show the cutouts behind the wing,so I don't think there is a strucural problem.As to why they don't come with this done,only Steve Moon would know.I would cut them out......
We are using a 5 oz. metal uniflow tank and the engine runs slower inverted.I will need to make a new tank to raise the pickup/uniflow about 1/8 in. higher as there is no provision to raise the tank.
We have to run the engine hard in order to get some inverted performance,so this affects the overall pattern.
Hope all this helps you folks who have one of these fine ARC's.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:28:27 PM »

Rod, just pull the tank and pop the back off. Move the uniflow tube's location inside the tank, pressure test, and re-install. I'd raise the uniflow tube 1/4", and test fly it. You might need to move it more, but it should be noticeably better. Get that mutha running right!!!

Steve

Rod Claus · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2009, 06:16:26 PM »

Steve,
Pete made me a new tank and it arrrived today.It has the uniflow and outlet 1/8 in. higher.We will use .06 shims and try it on Sat. morning.

SteveMoon · « **Reply #25 on:** March 08, 2009, 10:42:21 AM »

Hi guys, sorry I haven't checked this thread in awhile.

I have been flying the prototype GN component kit with a Thunder
Tiger .36 and RO Jett tube muffler. This is NOT an AeroTiger, just an
off the shelf TT 36 RC motor, that has been retimed and has an
AeroProducts NVA. Great motor. I've flown it at several VSCs in my
kit G Nobler.

The GN component kits do not have the cutouts in the fuse, because
Bob G said they weren't necessary anymore with the power of modern
engines. Our laser cut kits were the same way, no cutouts. The
prototype had them because the plans I sent the factory in China
showed the cutouts and I flat out forgot to tell them to not put them
in. Subsequently, all production kits don't have the cutouts.

The prototype came out at 43 oz. I painted the SLC covering, with
silkspan added to the nose section for a little extra strength. My kit
GN weighs 46 oz. and has always been an excellent flyer at that weight.
I've flown it at 2 VSCs and 3 Nats. The thin air in Tucson didn't seem
to bother it at all.

We currently have 2 component kits left in stock, just 2. I have placed
another order for 100, and that shipment should be arriving within the
month.

Rod, and anybody else with a completed GN comp. kit I'd love to see
some pics. Please send them to: ultrahobby@cs.com

Thanks, Steve

Rod Claus · « **Reply #26 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:51:51 PM »

Steve,
I'll try to get some in here after VSC.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #27 on:** April 05, 2009, 09:53:47 PM »

This is Rodney's UHP Compo Net (sic) kit Gieseke Nobler in action at VSC. The David Russum picture is in the Classic Forum, and this is but a link to it. Rod seemed to have a good contest, placed 40th with three pretty consistent scores. Rod and Jill went from Phoenix back to Florida, so he hasn't been on the 'net much. When are you getting home, Rod?

Steve

PS: Even in the picture, I can see that the fin/rudder needs a lot of sanding. It's essentially a flat plate with chamfers at front and back. I'd hesitate to call them the LE & TE. I suspect the flaps, stab & elevators could also benefit from liberal application of sandpaper.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11946.0;attach=39441;image

Rod Claus · « **Reply #28 on:** April 06, 2009, 07:15:01 PM »

Steve,
We arrived in St. Pete yesterday.Should be home by early May.
I have a few pictures,but I can't figure out how to compress them to put on this website.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #29 on:** April 06, 2009, 07:26:57 PM »

Quote from: SteveMoon on June 19, 2008, 08:16:18 AM

Bob: It's not the date, I can easily skip the DASH to go to
Brodak's. It's the distance and the closeness in time to the
Nats. I can't afford to go to both. Sooner or later I'm sure I
will skip the Nats a time or two and go to the Fly-In.

Steve

I'm going to Brodak's this year instead of the original plans of going to the Nats

SteveMoon · « **Reply #30 on:** April 24, 2009, 03:37:57 PM »

Great looking plane Rod!!! I like that paint scheme. Steve

Rod Claus · « **Reply #31 on:** April 27, 2009, 06:56:41 PM »

Thanks,Steve,
We have got it flying really well.