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Title: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: Bill Little on August 05, 2012, 03:15:12 PM
HI All,

Just wanting to hear experiences with using the Strega ARC BC and crimped lead outs as they come from the factory?  I would rather not cut up a lot to change them out unless there is a failure rate to the stock ones.

Thanks!
Bill
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: alan roadknight on August 06, 2012, 06:05:12 AM
Hi Bill,
 I had an ARF Cardinal on which i left the original crimped lead outs and never had a problem on over 200 or so flights. I only hope they continue to hold out for the guy I sold it to

Cheers
Al
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: john e. holliday on August 06, 2012, 10:50:25 AM
Big Bear, I thought you would know better.  Yes you can slap my hans if you want.   I would only use crimped lines/leadouts only as a last resort.   I know the combat guys use them a lot, but how long do their planes last.   All my ARF/ARC's had the crimping replaced.   Used to wrap my lines/leadouts, but since Carl Schoupe put me onto the swagging method I may never go back.   I can make a set of lines in a fourth the time it takes to wrap.   I also do a pull test on them that the judges would fall over if they had to do it.  Think in excess of 100 pound pull test. H^^
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: L0U CRANE on August 06, 2012, 05:04:26 PM
Right on, Doc!

There are a lot of ways to spell the process - the one I learned about 50 years ago was "swaging" - the process of forming a softer outer metal so it conforms to material passing through it.

Carl's swaging pliers can produce a crimp that forces the aluminum or soft copper outer tube into the steel wires making up our usual 7-strand cable flying lines. NOTE: per AMA Rules, swaging ends for steel single-strand line is NOT allowed...

His package stresses developing a gradual, smooth crimp, evenly formed around the swaged section, and it takes a dozen or so gentle squeeezes, turning the section some in the pliers' jaws, to accomplish. Not only holds very well, but looks very neat and proper.

A "factory" crimp is usually only a few squeezes with round jaw needle-nose pliers. Carl's tool forms a much greater area, with more uniform result.
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: BrianW517 on September 16, 2012, 08:29:29 PM
  <= Lost a tutor II ARF  n1  when a crimped lead out broke at the bellcrank.  <=
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: phil c on October 02, 2012, 02:23:59 PM
I lost a custom profile quite a few years ago when one leadout fatigued at the wrapped termination.
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: Paul Smith on October 03, 2012, 06:49:59 AM
I can swage cable down to 1/16" (.0625) using the equiment at Home Depot.  It's good for control handles.  You just buy the cable & swages and use their tool in the store.

Where do you get swages for .018, .021, .024, and .027"
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: Chris McMillin on October 11, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
I lost a custom profile quite a few years ago when one leadout fatigued at the wrapped termination.

Of course you did, Phil.  ::)
Chris...
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: Jim Thomerson on October 13, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
I've been using nylon coated salt water fishing leader for cable leadouts.  There are separate packages of tubes to swage or crimp for each size leader. Works fine for me. 
Title: Re: Crimped lead outs ???
Post by: Bill Little on October 14, 2012, 03:51:22 PM
Bellcrank removed with minimal surgery.  Hopefully no further surgery to reinstall the BC.

I just couldn't bring myself to trust it on a .60 powered stunter............

BIG Bear
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