Author Topic: ARF Strega (Read 10238 times)

Ron Merrill · « **on:** December 18, 2006, 01:08:17 PM »

I talked with Windy on Friday and the Strega's are in. Mine is on the way. How much i don't know, i was on his list and the bill is with the plane. I believe Brodak now has some and it will be quite a while before the next batch reaches the USA. I am sure more info can be gotten by calling Brodak, Windy or maybe even Bob Z. Ron.

Bill Little · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2006, 01:51:14 PM »

Hi Ron,

What power train are you going to use? Since Kent Tysor has been fly his Strega for quite a while now (three different ones, IIRC) I have seen it under go "system" changes. ST 60 to Ro-Jett 76/pipe.

peabody · « **Reply #2 on:** December 18, 2006, 04:18:58 PM »

I believe that Strega ARFs from Winfred are $149.95 plus $30.00 shipping...send him a check,,,the supply is limited.
Around these parts one of the prototypes has around 100 flights on it....and the committee encountered a few trim issues....but resolved them.
Windy built his in a day....powered by an RO .76. He flew it twice today and says that he has to do some work with a prop....
That's my story and I'm sticking to it....

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2006, 08:56:39 AM »

Bill, will use a GMA/Jett .60se to start and see what happens. I am waiting to here from Windy on his testing. It will be on DVD if anyone is interested. Peabody i like your story and i will stick with it two. Sure hope to see more feedback on how it does, then i can just follow the bounceing ball. Ron

peabody · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2006, 01:26:42 PM »

No flights on Tuesday...

peabody · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2006, 04:15:13 PM »

Here are two flying examples...the yellow critter is Tiger 60 powered and the white RO Jett 76....

Leester · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2006, 05:04:10 PM »

I've seen pics of the blue now the yellow and white. So far the white is the best looking, Iwould like to see the red.

peabody · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2006, 05:09:34 PM »

The air racer STREGA had a White with red and blue color scheme...

Wayne J. Buran · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2006, 07:22:57 PM »

What does everyone think about Tigre G51 power for this Strega ARF.
Wayne

peabody · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2006, 07:36:04 PM »

Wayne:
The two that are pictured are 66 and 68 ounces...and the wing is real, real thick and draggy.....a ST 51 would be doing some work, but I'll bet that it would be okay..

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #10 on:** December 19, 2006, 08:26:30 PM »

I agree, ST.51 would really be working on a ARF. Has anybody weighted the ARF Strega?

peabody · « **Reply #11 on:** December 19, 2006, 08:37:17 PM »

Ron...the two in the picture are ARFs....

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2006, 11:42:42 AM »

peabody, what do you think of the Rojett .76? Ron

Willis Swindell · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2006, 12:32:13 PM »

the biggest engine I have is a Saito 56. I wonder if it would have enough oomph for the Strega? I have it in a Time Machine with 660 sq. in wing and it has a little reserve left but one hundred more squares I don’t know.
Willis

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #14 on:** December 20, 2006, 12:44:30 PM »

Not only 60 sq. in. more but those square inches are very thick, too.

I think the wing is about 3 inches thick at the root.

Jim

peabody · « **Reply #15 on:** December 20, 2006, 02:57:10 PM »

I be;ieve that Windy has flown the original model with a Saito 56....and found that the 72 was better...

There are a couple RO Jett 76's flying around here....all owners are happy as if they had sense....

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2006, 07:59:01 PM »

Quote from: Willis Swindell on December 20, 2006, 12:32:13 PM

the biggest engine I have is a Saito 56. I wonder if it would have enough oomph for the Strega? I have it in a Time Machine with 660 sq. in wing and it has a little reserve left but one hundred more squares I don’t know.
Willis

Well Willis, one solution would be for you to buy a Saito 62 or 72....

I can give you the new K&B 61 ABC I got off of Tate as well. Its not like I've done anything with it....

I bet the K&B would pull the Strega fine, and you KNOW Tate wants to order one!!!!!!!!

Steve

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2006, 08:01:07 PM »

Quote from: Willis Swindell on December 20, 2006, 12:32:13 PM

the biggest engine I have is a Saito 56. I wonder if it would have enough oomph for the Strega? I have it in a Time Machine with 660 sq. in wing and it has a little reserve left but one hundred more squares I don’t know.
Willis

30% nitro helicopter fuel! either the 56 would pull the Strega or it would explode! Either outcome would be exciting.......

Bill Little · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2006, 02:05:06 AM »

Quote from: Steve Fitton on December 20, 2006, 08:01:07 PM

30% nitro helicopter fuel! either the 56 would pull the Strega or it would explode! Either outcome would be exciting.......

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2006, 03:48:20 PM »

My Strega order showed up today, man did Brodak get it right. The controls are fantastic and even the hinge slots are inset. This is not your average ARF, these things with proper power can be competitive at any level right out of the box.

Leester · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2006, 03:45:57 PM »

Got mine today, everything is great but the covering job on the fus could have been a little better, oh well it's better than what I've done. In the supplimental instr. I see they advise spraying Lustre Kote clear on the covering joints to keep from coming loose. Very nice ARF

peabody · « **Reply #21 on:** December 29, 2006, 04:44:50 AM »

These critters come in BIG boxes....I got two ARCs yesterday and the package could have been a coffin for my second ex wife! Lots of care that UPS doesn't mangle them....

I also watched the Windy video last night....it's very informative and lots/most of the information is applicable to all ARFs.

There are some terrific features here....certainly worth the price...and there a few things that I plan to change....all in all, it appears to be the best of the bunch....

john e. holliday · « **Reply #22 on:** December 29, 2006, 08:19:26 AM »

It still amazes me that John can get these made for just a little more than a kit would sell for. Also talking to him at the NATS last year(2006) he is very interested in his products and how to improve them. Keep us posted on how the Strega flies. Back to work on the P-39. DOC Holliday

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #23 on:** December 29, 2006, 09:14:41 AM »

Wished someone would post what (if any) changes they are making. I didn't see anything in the ARC I examined that needed changing other than replacing the hinges and maybe whatever it takes to install the engine. Oh ya, looks like the nose ring needs to be cut off and attached to the cowl so you can get a 6 1/2 ounce tank in from the front.

Leester · « **Reply #24 on:** December 29, 2006, 12:52:54 PM »

The Supplimental says install from the rear (cut former) and fill with scrap.

steve dinerman · « **Reply #25 on:** December 29, 2006, 01:32:38 PM »

I JUST RECEIVED MY ARC STRAGA .I AM REALY IMPRESSED.THE ONLY CRITISUN I HAVE
IS THE LEADING EDGE IS TO SHARP BUT A LITTLE SANDING SHOULD TAKE CARE OF
THAT.I FINELY HAVE A EASY WAY OF USING MY ST 60.THANKS JOHN.
STEPHEN DINERMAN

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #26 on:** December 29, 2006, 02:53:34 PM »

Quote from: Leester on December 29, 2006, 12:52:54 PM

The Supplimental says install from the rear (cut former) and fill with scrap.

But then you can't get the tank out after the wing is installed.

Leester · « **Reply #27 on:** December 29, 2006, 04:10:31 PM »

It says to remove tank cut the nose ring in half. lol

bob branch · « **Reply #28 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:05:03 AM »

Could we have some reports on how the plane is flying with different power plants and how you are finding the trimming developing?

bob

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #29 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:42:15 AM »

Quote from: Leester on December 29, 2006, 04:10:31 PM

It says to remove tank cut the nose ring in half. lol

That is funny.. I didn't look at the instructions and one of our club members (Tom Martin) came up with the idea of cutting the nose ring in half and attaching it to the cowl.

We should have two flying fairly shortly, one with an RO Jett 61 and one with a ST 60. The ST 60 one (Joe Gilbert) will be in the air first, Tom Martins (RO Jett) may take a while.

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #30 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:45:30 AM »

Anyone using a rear exhaust set-up?

Thanks,

Jim

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #31 on:** December 30, 2006, 10:02:08 AM »

Quote from: Jim Oliver on December 30, 2006, 09:45:30 AM

Anyone using a rear exhaust set-up?

Thanks,

Jim

Ya Windy, understand he has a video showing how he did it...

Leester · « **Reply #32 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:00:54 AM »

Sounds like I'll have to get that video, I've got a T&L ST 60 for mine when I'm ready for it. Joe at SS had such a good price and free shipping I couldn't pass it up.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #33 on:** December 30, 2006, 12:03:17 PM »

Just finished looking at the two DVD's Windy sent me. Changes Windy made or reccomends are radius l/e,use cf tow on ball links and epoxy top and bottom nuts on bellcrank,motor offset 5/16",replace flaps with 1/4" 4lb. stock flat sheet/radiused edges, Rabe rudder (personal choice), tape all hinge lines. he is using RO/Jett RE .76/ 14x5 Rev-Up, 68',.018's. He says front lead out runs when l/o's to far back. If possible remove peice it rubs on (ARC). Need 1/2" longer gear when using 14" prop. Windy has got the weight down from 65oz. to 62oz., he now is using one of his CF spinners. Hope this helps, i am getting more DVD's as they become available. I will be happy to share them. Ron

SORRY meant to say elevators with 1/4" not flaps, and word is rub not runs on lead outs.

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #34 on:** December 30, 2006, 12:38:26 PM »

Hey,

I don't understand the "motor offset 5/16 inch" part. Could you explain for those of us that are dense?

Greg L Bahrman · « **Reply #35 on:** December 30, 2006, 01:06:13 PM »

Thanks for sharing Ron Merrill.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #36 on:** December 30, 2006, 01:21:47 PM »

Jim, Windy, started with 2oz. tip wt. and 1/8" offset and now he is at i think 1 1/2oz. and the 5/16" offset. He is running a small tab on the outboard wing. There are out flying as we speak. Several were to meet with ARF Strega's today. Hope this helps. Ron.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #37 on:** December 30, 2006, 02:26:14 PM »

I'm with Jim, what does 5/16 relate to.. Engine offset at prop tips on a 14 inch prop???

Leester · « **Reply #38 on:** December 30, 2006, 03:24:49 PM »

This is for those who don't have one and to see how my resizing worked.

Ron Merrill · « **Reply #39 on:** December 30, 2006, 03:30:33 PM »

Bob, you are spot on. Measured using same tip. Sorry for the fuzzy info.

Ron.

Leester · « **Reply #40 on:** December 30, 2006, 03:40:23 PM »

Heres some more:

Willis Swindell · « **Reply #41 on:** December 30, 2006, 05:52:36 PM »

I have a Strega on the way and I wonder with all these different engines everyone is using, what is the spacing between the engine mounts?
Willis

Leester · « **Reply #42 on:** December 30, 2006, 06:09:42 PM »

Between the mounts is 1 7/16"

Willis Swindell · « **Reply #43 on:** January 06, 2007, 02:35:30 PM »

I received my ARC Strega Yesterday Its a big airplane at least too me. Steve Fitton was nice enough to lend me a Brodak K&B 61 to use which I have started to mount with aluminum plates. There is a few holes that I plain to close up one for the tank to slide through and one in the cowl, if not the fuselage will fill up with oil. My biggest problem before I go any farther is what color do I want ? The mail system did a number on the out side box lucky they pack it as good as they did No damage to the air plane itself. Any one know how much fuel the ABC K&B uses for the pattern?
Willis

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #44 on:** January 06, 2007, 04:19:19 PM »

For those who may be interested,

All the contents of my Strega ARF came to 46.5 oz--just as the parts came from the box, with protective plastic sleeves removed.

Still wondering if anyone is doing the rear exhaust set-up?

Thanks,

Jim

bob branch · « **Reply #45 on:** January 06, 2007, 05:00:33 PM »

Jim

Yes Windy and several others have done rear exhaust w/ mufflers. Just go after the insides with a dremel.

bob

Richard Oliver · « **Reply #46 on:** January 07, 2007, 12:18:31 PM »

Jim, here is a couple of pics of Windy's
RO

Richard Oliver · « **Reply #47 on:** January 07, 2007, 12:43:56 PM »

There have been a few asked and sent emails to me about the RE set up for the Strega. Previous post was showing the plane and engine after completion. I have been asked if the header muffler is just a header with a plug in the back. It is not and I am posting the pics of how I build one. I make the internals based on the engine size since all of the engines from 51 to 76 are in the same case basically (the 76 and 67 are taller only) and I use the same header for all of them. I have a special header made that is a larger diameter, 7/8 OD. I then cnc the internals and construct the header muffler. If someone has special needs and I need to alter the bends I can also do that within reason. I can make a 45° bend in the back end so that an exhaust diverter is not needed. I just sent one to Windy to test in his Strega. I have made several for Windy to test and rest assure they will work in the Strega or Windy will not sign off on them nor will I. I am testing them as well in my ARF Strega. We are working to have a turn key set up for you guys. I am also testing side exhaust and feel it is just as good but not for end of the day clean up. My header/muffler will also fit a PA 51, 61, 65 and I am not sure about the 75. Randy has a header muffler as well but I have no test data on it and neither does Windy.

The pic of the internals show two incerts. Small one is for a 40/51 and the large one is for the 67/76

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #48 on:** January 07, 2007, 09:19:53 PM »

Thanks Richard,

That looks like what I need to use on my RJ 76 in the Strega ARF.

PM on the way to you.

Jim

TigreST · « **Reply #49 on:** January 08, 2007, 11:59:52 AM »

What's the preferred tank set up in this bird. The Brodak kit mentions the BH-563 tank; Wide Wedge Uniflow (All Tubes Forward) as a 6 oz. solution. 1"H x 2"W x 6" L. If there is room perhaps the BH-564 (6.5 oz's) or BH-565 (7 oz.) tanks might be made to work. These each increase in length by 1/2 inch to 6.5' and 7" inches respectively. Power choice for mine will be ST-60. Comments?

Tony