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Offline John Rist

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Half elavator
« on: August 31, 2011, 10:44:30 AM »
On a 1/2A ship if you are going to hinge only 1/2 of a split elevator should it be inboard or outboard half? Looking for level flight only.  No stunting (Scale DO335).
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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2011, 11:06:05 AM »
I shouldn't think it'd make much difference.  But if it were a scale Bv-141, I'd recommend hinging the left half.

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 11:14:27 AM »
Of the speed ships I've seen with 1/2 elevator, all are on the outboard side.  Dunno why, but maybe they know something we don't.
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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 01:55:28 PM »
I'd think if it was on the inboard side the plane would tend to roll that way, which would give slack lines.  Outboard side would make it roll out and tighten the lines if this theory is correct.

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 02:26:53 PM »
I have some photos and plans of old style team racers. Of the ones that have only one side moving, most seem to put it on the outboard side.

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 03:08:36 PM »
Outboard makes sense.  The heavy load is up elevator.  Outboard up roles the airplane out.

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 04:11:06 PM »
My compliments on the plane...that is nice!

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2011, 10:12:53 PM »
For a level flight only model, the elevator should go on the outboard side.  If you are stunting, it probably doesn't matter as it will foul you up either on insides or outsides whichever you do. 

HOWEVER!  I had a Brodak Pee Wee with a v-tail and only elevator on one side, and it had no problems whatsoever. Not a precision stunter, of course, but would do the basic maneuvers.  I don't even recall which of the v tails had the elevator.

On a vee tail like that, yaw and roll will be opposed to each other, so it probably stunts better than a flat elevator with only half span would.  That is, up elevator rolls to the right, but yaws left and vice-versa.  The two effects kind of balance.  With a negative vee, you could get into real trouble as both yaw and roll would reinforce each other if you used the outboard only elevator.   D>K
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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 12:30:10 AM »
This is an interesting problem. If the half elevator is on the outboard side, I can see how up elevator would tend to roll the model to the right and down would roll the model to the left.
Now Larry says that UP elevator would also yaw the model to the LEFT but I think not. I think the increased drag on the outboard of the stab from both up AND down elevator would tend to yaw the model to the right in either case.
What think you?

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2011, 08:57:51 AM »
Drag certainly has an effect, and one I hadn't considered, but the elevator is close to the centerline and way behind the CG, so I think the yaw due to deflection will overcome the yaw due to drag.

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 08:59:46 AM »
On a Vee tail, depending of course on the degree of vee, the elevator would also function something like a rudder.  And in that scenario, Larry is right, outboard elevator "up" would serve as a rudder deflection to the inside, yawing to the left. But at the same time deflecting the outboard side of the tail down, rolling to the right. Makes my head hurt trying to envision it.
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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2011, 12:49:18 PM »
On vee tail put half elevator on inboard side only.   I speak from experience.   H^^
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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 12:55:31 AM »
All of a sudden, the thread turned to discussing V-tails which confused me because I had been thinking in a Horizontal stab mode. This is why I couldn't understand why the ship would yaw left on up elevator. I agree now that on a V-tail the outboard elevator would want to do this.
I mentioned earlier that the asymmetrical drag of the outboard elevator would yaw the model to the right but there is yet another force we have to contend with.
The spinning prop, acting like a gyroscope, would also yaw the model to the right when pitched up.
On a V-tail with an outboard elevator, all these forces might just cancel out to result in a balanced flying model. Larry's right, it should be tested.
When did flying C/L models become so complicated  n~?

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Re: Half elavator
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 09:30:13 AM »
When Oba StClair put lines on a free-flight.  He had working rudder and ailerons too!   %^

Read Charles Mackey's book, it is a great history of CL. (Available through PAMPA)    y1

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