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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2010, 02:54:53 PM »
Jim Walker's "Firebird".
Still have the remains! LL~ LL~

Another great flying 1/2A plane was the C.G. VooDoo.
YEP! Built it right over the Goldberg assembly pics. y1

Then we saved up enough $$ to buy a "Lil Satan"!

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2010, 03:19:23 PM »
Back then I really couldn't fly well enough to tell the difference (probably still don't)  but how about the Scientific 1/2A Kingpin,  built up wing, profile body  and a fairly capable flyer ??

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2010, 09:19:33 PM »
My best flying 1/2A is the Stanzel Lil' Raider converted to conventional bellcrank. It has enough wing area and wing thickness to stunt nicely.

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2010, 10:39:48 PM »
Scientific super stuntmaster and a baby bee. I think thats the engine, 049 with the little tank

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2010, 12:20:02 PM »
I miss the Scientific Logs.  Beat most plastic ARFs coming and going.  But not as good as lighter built-up structures.

Looking forward to flying the Hiper Viper I got a couple years ago.  I've heard good things about it.   And some years ago, I did see someone doing REAL well with a Cox plastic stunt plane they had out a number of years ag, but that plane was using a Tee Dee .049.  Different animal. Haven't been able to get the Sure-Start or Product engine in it running yet, even though I did get a replacement tank for it.

I have a number of 1/2A planes ready to go, kits, scratch, and plastic, and scratch, and also have a small collection of NIB kits, but the only log kit is an Enterprise Baby Era.  I do also have a Monarch 1/2A Vitamin log with a Cub .074, and a Firebaby with a Cub .049B.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2010, 02:59:07 PM »
Tony, the Baby Era is a super looking model. I have seen a few on that auction site and grabbed a couple of pictures but that is all I have of this model. Looks very easy to build As most were of that type and time. This is what the instruction sheet looks like.  I do wish I had some good pictures of the wonderful box art on top! Could be I might try one of these myself.

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2010, 03:19:28 PM »
Okay, 50+, you do know that the log kits are still available through most Authorized Black Hawk Models Dealers? Here is the web site:
WWW.BLACKHAWKMODELS.COM
Here is one of many:
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2010, 07:07:29 PM »
Sure do, at least the Scientific models.  Been tempted to send in an order.  I also have a JPG of one of the early ones, thinking of hacking out a 1 X 2 plank.  Also, thinking of using the Baby Era kit I have and using it as a pattern to try my own reproduction of the Baby Era Bipe.

Also have a number of files from old Musciano articles that make some bigger logs.  Even have a few of his old Model Boat articles.  Also I think one or two FF designs of his.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2010, 07:43:50 PM »
Before you start cutting that 1 X 2 plank you might want to get a 1 1/2 X 2 plank as even the later, smaller kits, were 1 1/4 X 2 but all of the early ones were 1 1/2 X 2.
Good luck with that projecr, I will be glad to assist in any way.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2010, 11:52:11 PM »
My Boo-Boo.  The 1" X 2"s I have are for carving Rubber Model Props.  I also have some 24" 2 X 2" balsa chunks for logs.  Have I ever mentioned I'm not fussy about what I fly?  I have about 16 flyable RC, 29 CL and over 40 FF and Rocket models. Also over 140 assorted kits for my retirement.

Seems kind of funny.  Now that I'm retiredd, I seem to have less time for building and flying than I did when I was raising a family and working 50 to 70 hours per week.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2010, 04:52:43 AM »
1/2A Pathfinder w/ Norvel 061, 6x2 prop, 45' lines and Baby Flite Streak w/Cox Medallion 049, 6x4 prop, 40' lines


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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2010, 08:41:29 AM »
Lil Satan

I've only built one Lil Satan, never got to fly it. A couple of kids came by while I was pre-running the Babe Bee. They were very interested and after getting them to promise they would fly it, I gave it to them.

Geez, that was 40 years ago!!!

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2010, 09:00:54 AM »
I built one Lil Satan as well.  It was originally finished in white monokote with red trim.  The red was from when Top Flite was giving out sample pieces.  The center sheeting, leading edge, tips and stab were red. Tried a loop with and did a figure 9 on a hot day in July, centuries ago, lol. The rebuilt had a '76' fly on the outer wing. Also make the engine mount so it was secured with rubber bands. It was powered by a Cox Golden Bee.  VD~
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2010, 10:57:50 AM »
Since we're on the subject

When I was 13, I went to the LHS and they had a Lil Satan with a combat streamer on it, first combat plane I'd ever seen (I was sheltered apparently).  Well I had to have one.  Built it up, probably did my best job ever on alignment, then covered it with a silk scarf of moms.  When she found she went ballistic, screaming and yelling, which of course set me off (hey I was 13, what can I say I felt entitled).  I proceeded to grab a hold of the silk with pliers and rip it off, throwing it back at her.  Kinda destroyed the model in the process.

Never got another one.  I wonder why?

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2010, 10:39:30 PM »
I still have a Lil Satan,  Back Widow.  Covered in transparent Orange Mono.  Because most of my flying is done at a local RC field, I put a single wheel LG on it so I can use my stooge when I'm alone.  Definitely affects the flying.  However, I'm currently in a personal project converting about 50 or 60 years of clippings and paper copies of articles and tips, and I've found a nice compact stooge for smaller gearless planes, and I've started gathering materials.  I will be able to pull the LG off several planes and add a simple wire loop for a hold-down.  Should really inprove my Scientific Big Otto, which doesnt need the extra drag.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2010, 09:54:21 PM »
 The Goldberg Stuntman 23 was the best, easy assembly and stuntable flyer around 1972.
I taught my whole neighborhood to fly on a design of my own and before long I had a basement full of kids building 1/2A kits. We had a blast. The Stuntman would slug through the pattern fairly comfortably given its board wing. The fact that it had decent wing area more so than airfoil seemed to be a step up from the ealier hollow logs. I had a Zig Zag, the Stunt Trainer, The Lil Zipper, several of my own creations back then also.

When I was a Sr. I was given a choice of any project for a final in Art Class. So I built a half A with flaps and a black widow for power. Brought  it in to class, gave a presentation and then out back for a flying demo. Did a reverse wingover, loops and figure 8s....got an A+ and my Senior year of Art class was over. The drafting teacher came out and I dont think it hurt my grade with him either. He asked if I built it from plans. When I told him no, I just built it from scratch he just grinned...and handed it back to me.

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #66 on: March 27, 2010, 12:10:48 AM »
John, wonderful stories! Thanks for those. 
Do you happen to have any pictures of these early models? I wish I had taken more myself.

Regarding the Lil Zipper. was it one of those that had the built up fuse with a vac formed top?

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #67 on: March 27, 2010, 03:04:56 PM »
Combat Kittens and a plane called a Big Otto.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #68 on: March 28, 2010, 08:09:58 AM »
John, wonderful stories! Thanks for those. 
Do you happen to have any pictures of these early models? I wish I had taken more myself.

Regarding the Lil Zipper. was it one of those that had the built up fuse with a vac formed top?

Robert

Cant remember the vacu form top block for sure but I do remember the wing was glued to the bottom of the fuse after covering and it was not the strongest wing joint. Precious little wing area and vibrated like a chain saw in flight....it didnt last long. I have been sorting pics from my youth slowly...I am sure I have some somewhere.

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2010, 10:24:49 AM »
Lil' Jumpin Bean with a Black Widow. It died a horrible death after impersonating a lawn dart, I still have the pieces 28 years later !
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2010, 12:42:10 PM »
I've had WAY too many planes do that-impersonate a lawn dart.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2010, 01:13:22 AM »
I remember flying a Jumping Bean all day with some of the Phillips Bros kids in Chicago before we moved to California in '66. It flew great and the Cox engine was easy to run, even for us kids. We just kept taking turns with it, and there were about five of us. It broke the elevator horn once, but that was repaired, the only damage in a whole day of kids less than 10 yrs flying it in grass!
I always thought it was the best 1/2A flyer I ever knew, and built one when I was in high school just for fun. It hangs on my shop wall unflown.
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2010, 12:45:35 PM »
Chris, get it off the wall and start having fun again.   H^^
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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2010, 01:01:39 AM »
Lil' Jumping Bean/Black Widow about 1963.  When my oldest son got started, he got one, and we still have it along with that original Black Widow. ;D  My *favorite* was the Scientific King Cobra.  27" built up wing and tricycle LG.  I finally found an original kit in the basement and threaten to copy it!

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2010, 05:05:42 PM »
I actually flew my Lil' Satan for the very first time TODAY!!  37 years of procrastination from start of construction to first flight.  Must be a new record.  I have to agree, it flies great.  Definitely my best flier to date.  Had a Lil' Jumpin Bean that flew like crap (warped wing + stiff controls = too many crashes and rebuilds).  I guess it kinda scared me off of finishing the Satan.  Finally finished it off last year in orange monocote.  I spent to much time on the finish and didn't want to slather it in oil so I converted it to electric.  I also hooked it up to Clancy's Utronics for throttle control. Awesome. 

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2010, 08:58:25 PM »
Jim Walker Firebird, first outside loop!

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2010, 08:02:55 AM »
Back in the day.....  Lil Jumpin Beans with Baby Bee power. y1  Had two before graduating to an S1 Ringmaster

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2010, 09:48:58 AM »
There was one 1/2A design I built a number of.  Not a kit, but still one of the best  1/2A flyers I ever had.  I was reminded of it last week from seeing a nicely done build and fly video on one of the MA websites from a young Brasillian.  The plane was the Li'l PT.  Forget who designed it, but it was a full size plan in the March 1960 MAN.  Remember when they were actually a full service model airplane magazine?  Very smooth flyer, compared to many others I had.  Think it would have done very well with a Golden Bee or Black Widow and 42' .008 steel lines.  A piece of the sig airfoiled 3" balsa for glider wings would save a bit of work, since instead of a flat plank wing like many, the plans called for sanding the 1/8" into an airfoil shape.

I used to build and fly them, with the impatience of youth, so rapidly neither the glue nor the dope was fully dry.  Did my first loops and wingovers with them.  Tried inverted flight and outside loops, but for some reason, the engine would quit, and the tank would be dry when the plane came down, with the Babe Bees.  The plans (I have some of the original mag, and I've scanned the plans to a computer file) show both tank moung and beam mount.  Hmmm!.  Beam Mount.  Norvel or AME .061.  Or Tee Dee .049.  Another future project?
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« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2010, 01:26:22 PM »
My best 1/2A was the Baby Barnstormer with an O.K. Cub .049.  The year was 1954.  It flew great.  It was only in 1987 that I found that the Baby Barnstormer flew just like the big Barnstormer with a Fox .35.  I didn't get around to building the larger version till the 1980's. I vividly remembered the flight characteristics of the 1/2A version when I finally got around to building and flying the the larger version.  They were pretty much the same which surprised me.    y1    H^^

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« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2010, 04:18:28 PM »
Sterling 24" profile Eindecker w/golden bee.  Early 1970s.  Red aerogloss with white enamel squares for the maltese crosses.  Looked very sharp until that Cox 25% nitro fuel hit that enamel.  Kinda runny ~^  Oh well, it still flew VERY well.  Another fun one was a Scientific P-40 hollow log.  The kit included these little steel eyelets for the leadouts.  First two flights the up line broke (dacron), FULL DOWN. :X  After repairing it the SECOND time, it occurred to me that those little metal brackets were sawing through those dacron leadouts :!  Once I replaced them (eyelets) with ply, I never had any other problems.  I think I saw the wing out in the shop last summer...I know I've got some block balsa around somewhere..... S?P

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« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2010, 07:20:16 PM »
Thats why I used piano wire on half A's.

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« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2010, 09:13:18 PM »
While over the years I have used Dacron leadouts, I never ran them through eyelets.  I either used L bent solder lugs or a drilled piece of ply.  But the last 10 or 15 years, I used .020 music wire or left over .015 stranded control line.  In fact, I gave up on Dacron altogether after having a Dacron UP line break while pulling out of a low level loop during a flying demo for a Cub Scout pack.  Just use the left overs I still have for wrapping, figure 8 hinges, or rigging when I build sailing shipsor ships in the bottle.
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« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2010, 10:59:41 PM »
PDQ baby  :## with an anderson .065 <--- technically an"A" for 1/2 a  CG jumpin bean or p-40. all 1/2 As are like sled -dogs!  (They Mush) jim I

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #83 on: October 19, 2010, 03:28:38 PM »
John, wonderful stories! Thanks for those. 
Do you happen to have any pictures of these early models? I wish I had taken more myself.

Regarding the Lil Zipper. was it one of those that had the built up fuse with a vac formed top?

Robert

You know...I think I do but have to go through the family albums. Some stuff was on 8mm film so have to find the VHS we made of those....I think I still have a working VHS...lemme check...

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Re: what WAS our best flying 1/2A kit.
« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2010, 10:58:48 AM »
I remember the built up wing profiles from CG and Scientific being a lot of fun (flying ANYTHING back in the late '50s-early '60s was a LOT OF FUN! LL~ ).  The built up wings just flew better.  My Scientific King Cobra went through MANY repairs and the CG Lil' Jumping Bean also gave a lot of fun while finishing up the next "big" plane (had to save a good bit to get a "BIG" kit!).  When my oldest was starting, I built him a Lil' Jumpi' Bean to use to just get stick time.  I still have that one in the basement.

A good buddy had a CG P-40 w/built up wing, IIRC, and I have just had a soft spot to make one of those for the last 50 years or so.  Anyone have parts drawings?? ;D  I did find a King Cobra kit to trace out, and it WILL be flown this Spring. y1

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« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2010, 03:59:53 PM »
Lil Jumpin Bean.
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« Reply #86 on: November 23, 2010, 06:37:26 AM »
The only one we could get with lawn cutting money was a FIRE BABY with a OK CUB .049, and then moved up to a WASP.049. this was back in 1954.
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