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Author Topic: Line Lenght? what is the disadvantages of flying on shorter or longer lines?  (Read 3649 times)

Offline Rosie Rosenau

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It is one of the simplest things that sometimes trip us up.  To my knowledge... shorter lines make your lap speeds go up. Your line tension is stronger. The aerobatic area the plane has to maneuver in is less?  The centrifical stress on the aircraft and lines are increases? The wind effect on shorter lines should be less and the drag on the lines would be less.

It the lines are long we decrease our lap spinning speed or time even if the air speed is the same.  We have increased our area for the plane to manuver in. Less centrifugal force on the plane and gear. Longer lines are more wind sensitive? And due to the plane not having as much centrical force the plane becomes light on the lines and tend to come in to us so we are forces to do a quick two step or more to back up and get line control back.

Myself I am really good at dizzy bat so faster lap times do not effect me much. Also I really only fly 1/2A size planes. Also I fly stunt.. not aerobatic yet... I do not fly that pretty I am just not plowing as much grass these days.  I also want to fly 1/2A combat so that has a 35 ft rule on lines and that is not 35 ft lines but 35ft from my planes bell crank to WHERE????  Logic would be the center of the hand grip.

So if I fly my 1/2A Magician's and Storks and Pathfinders and Pintos what am I loosing and gaining on 35 ft actual line lenght here.
Thanks for help on this simple question that I honestly need help on.

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Offline mike londke

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Rosie, Unless you are flying reed valve engines for combat, most 1/2A combat is flown on 42'  lines +/-3". It is measured from the center line of the airplane to the handle. Hope to see you in the combat circles.  Mike
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Offline Rosie Rosenau

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Appreciate the help on that Mike. Any good  and bad about flying with say 35 ft lines on 1/2A for stunt?
Richard "Rosie" Rosenau Jr, Yelm WA, USA

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what engines are u using in combat ant stunt
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Offline Rosie Rosenau

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Well go ahead and laugh but mainly electric 2210 turnginy 1400 kV and a 30 amp ESC. Got them both from Hobbyking . I swing a 7x 5EP prop. Mainly fun flying and since I have not had anyone besides my kids to fly with at one time and then it was gas .049s so they were in the circle and I was thier pit crew for both.
Richard "Rosie" Rosenau Jr, Yelm WA, USA

Offline bob jablonski

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Electrics are cool. With the anti noise croud more people are going that way
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Offline Rosie Rosenau

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Well Mr. Bob I do agree! I have to say the Habin FM-0c are just enough to pamper the single flyer. Push a button and walk out to the handle.  Out here in a farm community, well let's just say I would not lay bets how long I could fly my gas motors around here before the country folk take it as a new style skeet shooting competition. So far out here in Yelm WA which is slapped down in the middle of Ft. lewis McChord AFB 155 HOWITZERS range. When they practice I THINK I could get away with my gas planes if I had a flying buddy out here.
Richard "Rosie" Rosenau Jr, Yelm WA, USA

Offline bob whitney

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i have a 200+ size Ringmaster with flaps and a 20 - 26 hacker motor that flys great on 52 ft lines
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Offline Rosie Rosenau

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And folks say that size does not matter... lol. 52 feet sounds perfect. What would the effect be if you flew the same set up on 35 ft lines for a reason of say... you are in a confined space and 35 is as long as possible and still have a safe clearance. What would the effect be?
Richard "Rosie" Rosenau Jr, Yelm WA, USA

Offline Keith Renecle

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Well go ahead and laugh but mainly electric 2210 turnginy 1400 kV and a 30 amp ESC. Got them both from Hobbyking . I swing a 7x 5EP prop. Mainly fun flying and since I have not had anyone besides my kids to fly with at one time and then it was gas .049s so they were in the circle and I was thier pit crew for both.
Hi Rosie,
Electric 1/2A is a lot of fun and certainly keeps the neighbours happy. The big advantage over the Babe Bee stuff is that you get the same run every time so you get to fly the full flight instead of the thing petering out because of a bum setting. One point is that you can use a smaller esc to save space and weight. I use a 30A esc on my .15 size model called Elec-Trick. http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38598.0.html

 If you check out my Baby Sparky http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,37540.0.html then you can see how neat and compact a small electric setup can be. You need a higher Kv motor and then you can use a 6 x 5.5 E prop. The motor should have a Kv of 1900 to 2000, and the esc I use is only a 12 amp Hobbywing. It will fly great on 35' lines.

I use one of my governor timers because it does not slow down when you whack a hard loop or when the battery runs down. The timers that add rpm with time are a little better than the fixed throttle pulse width types but a governor is just so much better. For your present Hubin timer, you can get small Hi-Max esc's that have a simple governor in them and this will also work.

The .15 size models are IMHO just a better bet all round, but then you need the space for the 52' lines.

Keith R
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Offline jim gilmore

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the biggest problem with flying a plane on shorter lines is first that your going to be spinning very fast to keep up with the airplane. The second is that if your trying to get the plane to do a pattern your space for a loop is a lot smaller.
There is a limit on how slow you can get a model to fly and still fly.

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 i would not be able to keep up with it, it is fast now
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Offline jim gilmore

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Ways to make a model fly slower.
1. reduce rpm
2. smaller propeller
3. less pitch propeller
4. propeller installed backwards.

Offline john e. holliday

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The thing is that each airplane has a happy medium that it likes to fly at.  Longer or shorter lines is for the pilot to adjust to his rotation skills.   
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Offline Rosie Rosenau

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I appreciate all the inputs on this. My 1st priority is line tension which transfers to control for me. The 2nd is speed which equals to maneuvers. 3rd is just have fun and try to not
 plow any fields with my planes. Lol
Tally ho
Rosie
« Last Edit: April 13, 2015, 10:21:08 AM by Rosie Rosenau »
Richard "Rosie" Rosenau Jr, Yelm WA, USA


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