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Author Topic: DIESEL .049 Engines – Why? How do they run/Compare to Nitro?  (Read 1467 times)

Offline Mark Misegadis

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I have read about folks running Cox .049's that were converted to Diesel.  I would like to know the differences that I would experience if I were to do one of these conversions.

1) Power
2) RPM
3) Run Time

What are the other benefits?

Overall I am wondering if I were to compare this to my average but good running Cox motor would I be able to see a performance increase that would be worth the time and money or would it only worth the "wow" factor that its something different.

Thank you, Mark

« Last Edit: August 12, 2009, 04:32:51 PM by Mark Misegadis »

Offline Larry Renger

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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 09:34:57 AM »
Umm, the only Cox engines I would convert are the reed engines, and the lower power ones of those only.  You must buy the Davis Killer Crank to keep the engine together.  By the time you do all that, you should just buy a PAW .049 and be done with it.

If you must do a conversion, I prefer the MECOA head to the one from Davis.

Torque will increase, as you can step up to a 6x4 3-blade prop with a reed engine.  Doing that, you lose rpm, but gain useable power (actual power drops, but the bigger prop pulls harder).  Run time will improve roughly in proportion to the rpm drop, and even a slight bit better than that.

I have broken the crankshaft on every Tee Dee I tried to dieselize.  100% failure rate.  Don't bother!  A Medallion MIGHT survive, but I wouldn't want to risk mine as they are hard to come by.

PAW engines are pretty bulletproof (not, however, pavement proof, unfortunately).  I have never damaged one by running, even with inadvertant over compressed runs.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone with experience dieselizing the Norvel or AP Wasp engines.  Performance? Durability? Starting? Props used?
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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 10:09:47 AM »
I used to fly a goldenbee with the davis diesil conversion on a 6-4 or a 6-4 prop on a baby ringmaster. The winds were covered with ripstop nylon and made a nice bag of parts over time. My reason for using the diesil was not needing a battery and easy starting.

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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 12:07:15 PM »
I tried it 20 years ago. The ½A units use a Teflon seal for compression, which is very heat/pressure sensitive. Over-compress the engine for 1 second, and you have to replace the seal. This gets old very quickly! I suspect this would apply to NorVel and AP engines, too.

Get a P.A.W., as Larry suggested. It'll out-run the Cox conversions, and will last forever. Too bad they discontinued the 80TBR and 100TBR versions.

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Offline Mark Misegadis

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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 01:19:14 PM »
Thank you, 

I dont have any knowledge of a PAW .049. What are they? Where do you get them?



All,

Keep replying with your DeZL knowledge.

Mark

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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 01:35:28 PM »
Okay,

Found them accross the pond. I should probably be a little clearer. I dont have a Diesel fetish or anything. If I dont ever own one that is fine. I am just wondering if its worth the trouble and if I would provide good useful power that would pull a plane through the air better to make it worth my time. (I already run a 6x4 prop) What I have read is that the modelers accross the pond prefer Diesel power and we over here are a Nitro bunch. I have heard the claims on power but have not heard about any application where someone said that .. for this scenario.. it was THE choice.

Based on that.. what do you think? Whats your experince been.. what have you ran your diesel conversions on and why did you do it? Did it work?  So far though it doesnt sound very promising and if I do this it should be more about having something different or dont do it at all.

Also.. if you have to send for a quote just to get a price ..I dont care to know what they cost.

Mark

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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 01:45:24 PM »
Eric Clutton "Dr. Diesel"
931-455-2256

He has engines, fuel, plans for planes and his "Dr Diesel's Diary" how-to book.

Send him a buck for his catalog.

913 Cedar Lane
Tullahoma, TN 37388

Carlson Imports in Arizona actually lists more varieties of diesel engines, but deliveries can be SLOW!!!  However, he doesn't charge you until he ships.
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Offline Steve Thomas

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Re: DIESEL .049 ENGINES – WHY? HOW DO THE RUN/COMPARE TO NITRO?
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2009, 06:27:31 AM »


I would be interested in hearing from anyone with experience dieselizing the Norvel or AP Wasp engines.  Performance? Durability? Starting? Props used?

Norvel BigMig 061 with Davis head, 6x4 3-blade/7x4 2-blade: harder to start, aluminium membrane had to be thrown away after 6 flights, considerably less performance than as a glow motor. 

While I don't doubt that Davis conversions work very well on many engines, I wouldn't bother with a Norvel.

Offline Larry Renger

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Re: DIESEL .049 Engines – Why? How do they run/Compare to Nitro?
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2009, 06:58:59 PM »
In larger sizes the Davis conversions can be very impressive.  I did an article in RCM (R.I.P.) many years ago comparing glow and diesel on a Max 10 FSR.  The diesel conversion outran the glow head on all but the very smallest prop.  I flew an OS .25 fp conversion for several years (3 GALLONS of fuel) and had no engine problems.  In fact, I was told the next owner ran another gallon through it before dropping out of the hobby (ether poisining?)  I would guess that engine is out there somewhere ready to run.
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