News:


  • May 23, 2024, 08:35:42 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: APC 5.5 x 2 prop  (Read 966 times)

Offline Graham Collins

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Lieutenant
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« on: September 16, 2009, 05:35:06 PM »
Good evening all,

I have been using the APC 6x2 prop for much of my 1/2a flying this summer and have grown fond of it on the AP 061 and CS/Brodak 061. I noticed that APC also has a 5.5x2 prop.

Using a program called Thrusthp I took a best guess at rpm for the 5.5x2 based on what I get on 6x2 to try and compare some "numbers". Calculated thrust is about 14% less assuming the 5.5x2 will turn about 1500 rpm faster than the 6x2 (all this is just a WAG - Wild A-- Guess).

Before I get a couple of the 5.5x2 to test, has anyone else given these a try?  Larry? If so, comments please.

cheers, Graham in Ottawa Canada

Offline Robert McHam

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1052
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2009, 06:45:58 PM »
I've not used this prop yet so I can't offer much.

Here is what I think.
These little engines put out minimal power So I am not sure how I would justify  a 14 percent thrust drop from a combo that as you say you have grown fond of.

I would personally (soley based on the info given) put the extra revs to use gained by the smaller dia. to going up with the prop pitch. In other words try the 5.5 by 3. The engine will not have lost power. You might find you will have a better thrust overall.

When it comes to choosing a prop, you cannot count on a math equation to solve it for you. Believe you me it is mostly a matter of personal preference in the long run when it comes to props. Talk to a lot of guys and you might be surprized what they use.  Moreover get a wide range of props and try them to see what you like best. Keep in mind that whatever you do like best will most likely change when you go to a different plane.

When I say a wide range don't go over 6 inch dia.

I do have a question. Why only 2 inch pitch?  I think this is fine for learning to fly but most like flying faster unless you are on unusually short lines.

Robert
   

Crop circles are simply open invitations to fly C/L!

Offline minnesotamodeler

  • 2014 Supporters
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2335
  • Me and my Chief Engineer
    • Minnesotamodeler
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2009, 08:33:37 PM »
The APC 6x2 seems virtually made for the Norvel .061 IMO.  I use it, along with 48' lines, to keep lap times reasonable with my LittleAxe stunter, also the new Droopy Diamond stunter.  The Norvel puts out power aplenty, use a 3" or 4" pitch and you've got a combat plane on your hands...it takes 2" pitch to tame it down to stunt speeds.  Again, this is just MO.

You like fast flying, I have a combat wing with the .061 on it and a 5x3 APC prop that will push (occasionally hit) 75 mph.   On 42' lines that's plenty fast, about like my old .35-powered 110 mph combat planes on 60' lines.
--Ray 
Roseville MN (St. Paul suburb, Arctic Circle)
AMA902472

Offline Robert McHam

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 1052
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2009, 09:25:42 PM »
Ray I will agree with what you say but I would that carry the same over to an AP .061 and call it equal?
 I have not owned one of the APs so I find it hard to say more.

Robert
Crop circles are simply open invitations to fly C/L!

Offline minnesotamodeler

  • 2014 Supporters
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2335
  • Me and my Chief Engineer
    • Minnesotamodeler
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 12:54:14 AM »
Robert, I can't answer that.  I bought an AP .061 but have only run it about twice on the test stand.  It appears to be a Norvel clone.  It doesn't measure up yet but is still very stiff.  Eventually I'll get it loosened up enough to put it on a plane and find out how it compares. 
--Ray 
Roseville MN (St. Paul suburb, Arctic Circle)
AMA902472

Offline ray copeland

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 871
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2009, 05:52:07 AM »
Graham , i use both props 6x2 and 5.5x2 on my norvels, depending on the weight and airfoil of the plane. Both work well, i have used them both on 48 ft. lines with no problem, depending on how fast you want to fly.
Ray from Greensboro, North Carolina , six laps inverted so far with my hand held vertically!!! (forgot to mention, none level!) AMA# 902150

Online Larry Renger

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4002
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2009, 07:18:28 AM »
I haven't used the 5.5x2 in quite a while, but it worked gangbusters on a 1/2A Spacer FF with a Killer Bee engine on 50% Nitro fuel.

Antone Kephart is using the 6x2 on his latest Baby Magician on 50' lines, and it is still pretty quick.  He is going to try 52'  Of course he is running my hopped-up AP Wasp on 25% Nitro.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
 BTW, Dracula Sucks!  A closed mouth gathers no feet!

Offline Graham Collins

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Lieutenant
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2009, 06:34:01 AM »
Thanks everyone for your input. I am going to get a couple of the 5.5 x 2 props and see how they work.

APC has quite a list of props including a 5.5 x 2.5 which I might try and get a couple of as well. Sometimes I think I spend far too much time tinkering with different props and glow plugs but it sure does add to my overall understanding. I never would have thought that using a prop with 2" of pitch would work as well as it does but it does. These smaller planes and engines require a difficult approach than the larger ones.

So, for now the 6x2 on the .061's is my first choice until I do some testing and prove otherwise - who knows, maybe the 5.5 x 2.5 will end up being a better choice on windy days?

As to the AP 061 and Norvel comparison - I think the Norvel has a slight edge overall, especially with the revlite cylinders. However, the AP061 is the only one of the two currently available off the shelf, has proven itself to be pretty good value for the money and using the Cox TD Venturi, Galbreath head and Nelson plug (or turbo plug button head and plugs) it does work quite well. The Brodak/CS .061 is not quite in the same league RPM wise but with a Nelson or Turbo plug head, a good and proper break-in and the right prop choice, also works quite well. I have a little 1/2a trainer type that I have been flying this summer. It has CS .061 on it and I have using the APC 6x2 prop. This plane has been flown with a Cox TD 049/051, Norvel 049 and 061, AP 061, PAW 049 and now has the CS 061 and Using these various engines and a variety of line lengths from 30 feet to 42 feet and lines of .008 to .012 braided steel, spiderwire and Sullivan Tuff strand. It has never flown any better that it does now with the CS 061 and 6x2 prop on 35 foot .012 lines (I generally fly on a rough stubbly grass field and not very .008 friendly). I do intend to give .010's solids a try at 42 foot and pending my tests may become my new 1/2a choice as well.

cheers, Graham

Offline L0U CRANE

  • AMA Member
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1076
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2009, 12:48:39 PM »
...and, of course, the very high RPMs possible make it even more important to balance the prop very well. All the theoreticals about pitch, diameter and flying speed become irrelevant if the engine is shaking off three or four thousand RPM. NorVels, AMEs and APs seem to be capable of very smooth running, inherently, so why not make the most of that, too?

One answer for using lower pitch props is to let them run closer to their HP peak RPM without driving flying speed up to where it gets uncomfortable. Kind of like using a car with the throttle locked to constant speed, and rolling around in Second (or LO) gear. Hills? Downhills? less change in road speed...


 
\BEST\LOU

Online Larry Renger

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 4002
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2009, 01:58:40 PM »
I flew my Sky Sport with the Holuszko venturi equipped AP Wasp and the 5.5x2.5 prop.  That is a very nice combination.  On 47' lines the lap time is quite manageable, and the pull solid everywhere.  I am pretty sure that I have the stock AP plug in the engine, and am running 10% Nitro.  Does the full pattern on about 22 cc of fuel.
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

DesignMan
 BTW, Dracula Sucks!  A closed mouth gathers no feet!

Offline Graham Collins

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Lieutenant
  • ***
  • Posts: 75
Re: APC 5.5 x 2 prop
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2009, 08:55:36 AM »
Thanks Larry for those comments.

APC lists the 5.5 x 2.5 and a 5x3, neither of which I currently have and would like to compare.

I cannot get the smaller APC props locally and the mail order outfit I buy from in Canada has only a few of the smaller sizes but I asked them about getting some sizes they currently don't list and I will have to follow up on that. So far it seems like it might work out and I will stock up if they are willing bring them in.

Of course, I could just order from someplace like Tower Hobbies or direct from APC - it is not so much the price and the exchange rate but rather the large shipping/postage charge they tack on. A $20 order  from APC quickly becomes $40 and Tower Hobbies isn't a whole lot better. To be fair, International shipping is more work for them but it somehow doesn't always seem to be fair.  Depending on what I buy, I can often buy more cheaply overseas (UK or Asia), pay less for shipping and get it quicker than buying in the US and sometimes even within Canada.  I have had parcels delivered within 1 calendar week after having been mailed in Asia where as it often takes 2 to 3 weeks for a similar sized parcel to make it's way here from the US.  In any respect, this is all just minor hurdles and in the end I do what I have to if I want something badly enough.

cheers, Graham




Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here