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Title: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 02, 2006, 04:13:18 PM: I think this is Mike's and Frank's idea, but here, its started! n~ n~ n~ n~ n~ n~

Ray,
I looked the kit over for the first time, its a class act! You used some iron on covering on yours, I think I'll do some lite tissue and dope. Did you use a filler on the solid surfaces, or just clear and color? I've already assembled it mentally; should be a very quick build. Great job!
Richard
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 02, 2006, 05:52:42 PM: Hi Richard,

Yes, wings covered with lightweight film, applied over bare wood. The solid wood surfaces I finished in my usual way: 2 coats of Rustoleum primer, most of it sanded back off between coats; 2 coats of Rustoleum color--in the case of the QB, extremely light coats; really just enough to get the color opaque. I had to resist the temptation to put more paint on since it only takes a squirt of two to cover the whole plane! But I was concentrating on keeping it as light as possible.

This should be an interesting thread! I'm looking forward to seeing new methods from you guys.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 03, 2006, 12:07:33 AM: I'm in. I'll get started about noon Sunday.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 03, 2006, 11:31:40 AM: I've got to clean a project off the bench first but I plan on starting on Sun also. %^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 03, 2006, 03:26:43 PM: Darn!! I got involved with uploading video of Bi-Slob flying. I'll get mine started Monday after work. Let's post pics.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 10:02:33 AM: O.K.!!

I cleared off a space on my bench.
Got the parts spread out.
Looks like an easy build!! Like one evening??

I'm starting tonite. Anybody with me? AP^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 04, 2006, 11:56:52 AM: I'm going to try and start mine tonight also. I however will have to have delayed photos since I still do not have a digital camera. :'( :'( :'(

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 04, 2006, 12:14:25 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 10:02:33 AM
O.K.!!

Looks like an easy build!! Like one evening??

Unless your gonna use Ambroid! HB~> ~~>

I'm gonna try to tonite also, just need to find a clean flat area on the bench.lets see, I know there was a bench down there somewheres..... ???
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on December 04, 2006, 12:44:30 PM: who needs a work bench for a Queen Bee. Just pull out a TV tray.

In place of a Queen Bee I built a IBTW Barnstormer.

Clancy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 04, 2006, 12:52:50 PM: Quote from: Clancy Arnold on December 04, 2006, 12:44:30 PM
who needs a work bench for a Queen Bee. Just pull out a TV tray.

In place of a Queen Bee I built a IBTW Barnstormer.

Clancy
Thats a much better idea Clancy. Will do. Bsides, its cold out there in the shop!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 04, 2006, 03:33:20 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 10:02:33 AM
O.K.!!

I cleared off a space on my bench.
Got the parts spread out.
Looks like an easy build!! Like one evening??

The little booger might surprise you. Ever try to assemble an old watch?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on December 04, 2006, 04:31:51 PM: Again I suggest a TV tray. The turned up sides keeps the small parts from falling on the floor and getting swallowed up. What length lines are you planning to try.
Clancy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 05:11:26 PM: O.K. it's 7 p.m. here in Detroit. I'm going to go work for an hour. I'll post a picture of what I get done. ~~>
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 04, 2006, 05:35:44 PM: Quote from: Clancy Arnold on December 04, 2006, 04:31:51 PM
. What length lines are you planning to try.
Clancy

Probably start around 17' and may go shorter...depends on what I hit in the yard!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 04, 2006, 06:02:57 PM: Ok, So far I've noticed a second groove in the LE will have to be cut in for the center section to match the TE double grooves. No big deal...I can see the best way to get this thing right is to do your painting up front on the fuse before the control system/tail can be completed. I see what you mean about the old clock Ray!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 06:52:34 PM: I ran into the same situation with my wing Richard. No problem I am a modeler.
Anyway I don't want to turn this into a race.....it's too nice a model and it's snowing outside anyway. However I do have the wings done!!
I set up a jig to assemble them on. It didn't take too long but I didn't have any 3/32 stock for the jig so I stuck a piece of 1/32 onto a piece of 1/16.

My dog is being a pain in the butt!! He keeps wanting to go outside and it's because I always give him a milkbone when he comes back in. So he's trying to get extra treats by going in and out!! Hey!! I'm the master..................right???

Here are pix of the jig and the wings. I think I'll stop here for today.

#1 is jig....simple but dandy
#2 wing in jig
#3 wings
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 04, 2006, 07:16:18 PM: Nice job Frank. Looks like you did use Ambroid!
I haven't got that far yet. I am going to preshape the LE and TE a bit before it gets assembled. I pre-fit the fuse/MM together and have the hinges gluing for the elevator. I will most likely assemble the wings last. I will have all painting done before the final assemblies are done.You might have to open up the belcrank slot in the fuse a little before you paint/finish it.Its pretty close right now naked!
No foot race here either, just a leisure stroll in the ___________.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 07:22:31 PM: Thanks for the heads up on the bellcrank mount Richard.
I guess tomorrow I'll get to work on the fuse and stab/elevator assembly.

If I can find that pack of jap tissue I'll cover my plane with that. I'm thinking wite wings and a yellow and black striped fuselage like a bumble bee.

Am I the only one here with a camera??
And where are the other guys??
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 04, 2006, 07:39:58 PM: Had to run a new cad5 cable for my computer tonight so I had to put off working on it . Tommorrow ~~> %^ HB~>!!!!!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 04, 2006, 07:59:32 PM: There you are Mike!!!
Glad you're still on board with us.
It looks like it'll be about a two week build here at my house. Build definition is from start to having a model RTF.

I figure we should all just take our time.
So far the Queen Bee is a nice building little model. I guess an hour or two an evening should be easy enuff for me.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 04, 2006, 09:50:15 PM: Uh huh...so much for the "one-evening build" expectation! "Told ya so..." O, did I really say that?

Looks like a real good start. Did I leave out a slot in some of the LEs? Sorry...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 05, 2006, 01:21:56 AM: Re: the bellcrank slot...don't open it up much, if any; it's supposed to be a close fit. The idea is that the 1/32" spacers on the bellcrank will be in near-contact with the edges of the slot, to guide the bellcrank and help keep it straight (level). If it "leans" very much it could hang up on the fuselage. Of course, you don't want a tight fit that drags, either.

Hope that's clear, doesn't seem so to me when I re-read it!

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 05, 2006, 05:37:07 AM: I got it Ray. %^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 05, 2006, 06:53:58 AM: I spent all night trying to watch Frank's Bi-slob video, but it didn't work. So I didn't get started last night. HB~> HB~> HB~> HB~> HB~> HB~>

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 05, 2006, 07:14:49 AM: Don't worry we aren't moving too fast on the build Leroy.

You should put that digital camera on your Christmas list!!

Here is a link to all of the vids....Let me know how you like them.

http://www.putfile.com/frankcarlisle
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 05, 2006, 08:11:32 AM: They just wont play on my machine at home, and putfile is blocked here. Maybe you could email them to me.

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 05, 2006, 01:28:09 PM: O.K. I can email them.

I won't be building on the Queen Bee tonite. Our model club is having elections and I'm going to attend the meeting. #^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 05, 2006, 02:50:09 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 05, 2006, 01:21:56 AM
Re: the bellcrank slot...don't open it up much, if any; it's supposed to be a close fit. The idea is that the 1/32" spacers on the bellcrank will be in near-contact with the edges of the slot, to guide the bellcrank and help keep it straight (level). If it "leans" very much it could hang up on the fuselage. Of course, you don't want a tight fit that drags, either.

Hope that's clear, doesn't seem so to me when I re-read it!

--Ray
The reason I suggest opening up the slot a little is that it already is too tight naked, and with the addition of primer/ paint- even sanded, it will drag. Maybe open it up and add a thin nylon washer on top and below to give it more guidance and stability from leaning. I noticed if you push the both MM triangles all the way back in their slots, it will lean and lock up; just have to work it til' all is clear then nail them down.Or cut the top slots rear out 1/32 or so and they will center up the dowel perfectly with no dragging...Its nothing a good modeler can't figure out though!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 05, 2006, 03:04:46 PM: Famous (infamous?) instructions: "Trim to fit."

Your're right, the triangular braces have to be adjusted "ever so slightly" fore-&-aft until the bellcrank pivot is vertical.

The smaller the model, the closer the tolerances.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 05, 2006, 10:15:09 PM: Well, I got the fuse ready for priming and painting. All of the finished edges such as rudder and stab/elevator LE and TEs are reinforced with thin CA due to the soft wood.I was thinking of doing the same thing with the fuse, as it is so tall and wants to flex with the grain. Some CF veil would come in handy about right now. If I can find some Jap tissue, I might hit it before the primer/paint. Images below are pre-sanding and pre primer stages.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 06, 2006, 04:38:03 PM: Sanded off first primer, letting second coat dry. Will paint tonite, and build wing later. Thinking about beefing up the wing a little with a small dowel for a spar. Thinking of $kote on the wings..the weight might slow it a bit!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 06, 2006, 06:11:10 PM: Yes, watch the weight closely...I think you'll find the wings sufficiently rigid when linked together, without the addition of a spar. Only 11" span after all. Fuselage assy. looking good.

Say, I just noticed: How you gonna get the pushrod installed? I built mine around it. .031 wire, pretty flexible, I suppose it can be flexed around enough to get it in after the fact, but it's liable to be a struggle. Or maybe you can do a 3-piece with a wooden dowel and wire ends, and assemble it in place. Or if you're good with a soldering iron, a 2-piece wire. Or...sorry, I'll let you figure it out.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 06, 2006, 06:42:18 PM: it(the stab) wasnt glued in for the photo. It was easier to prime and sand without it attached. Its now all together and painted, paints drying as we write. All thats left is the wings, mounting the engine, and flying it!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 06, 2006, 07:14:19 PM: Cool. And I suppose in Houston, you still have flying weather. The world isn't fair...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 06, 2006, 07:17:47 PM: Guys..........I'm sorry. I feel like I've punked out on you with this build.
I've been doing a kitchen makeover at a clients house for the past few weeks. I started the floor today and I'm just too tired when I get home to do anything but eat and go to bed.
I have to be out of there by 3 p.m. Friday, so I've been putting in some serious effort. My hands and legs ache like mad. The job is coming out seriously nice and I'm almost finished.
I'll try to get back to work on the Bee this weekend.

Richard your plane is looking very nice. You're quite a craftsman. You're doing us proud.

Ray your posts are great. By the time I get back to work on mine, you will already have posted detailed construction tips. How great it is to get a kit and then get tutoring from the guy that made it. Priceless. ;D
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 06, 2006, 08:29:29 PM: Hey guys I've been at it tonight. I don't build that fast.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 06, 2006, 08:32:29 PM: Her Ray what did you use for leadouts????? ~^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 06, 2006, 09:20:15 PM: Lookin nice Mike! I think Ray is using Spyderwire tied straight to the BC. Thats what I intend to do anyway. This is kinda like a little box of candy; you eat a littlebit and try to close it, but taste so good, you gotta open it back up anbd get another piece, ect.....

Oh, I dont know whats happening with the colors of these files, but the color is actually a candy apple red, not the pukey orange-red Im getting here!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 12:48:24 AM: Say Richard, that's quite a paint stand you've got there...and I love the pink!

Mike, the original called for lines directly to the BC, no leadouts at all. I tried several different approaches to using leadouts ahd wasn't happy with any of them, so I left this unchanged. It's partly the weight issue, and partly the LO guide arrangement--it's the only way a single guide (the loop inthe wire) would work without the lines interfering with each other. No connectors to snag each other, you see. So you just roll the lines up on the handle and rubber-band the whole thing to the wing after every flying session. Not an elegant solution but it works.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 07, 2006, 05:55:41 AM: I'm still here readying, I'm in the middle of finishing Christmas presents, and have not started yet. I hope to this weekend. I have eleven nieces and nephews, and they all like stuff I build them. The boys are all getting little flight boxes and the girls treasure boxes. I have been busy staining and varnishing each one is finished differently and has there name on it.
#^ #^ #^ #^ #^
Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 09:02:37 AM: Very cool...the plane will still be there (and we will be, too) when you're ready to start it. First things first.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 07, 2006, 09:08:01 AM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 12:48:24 AM
Say Richard, that's quite a paint stand you've got there...and I love the pink!

--Ray

Hey, its screwed to the motor mount just like the big boys! Its just a handheld version....

Uncle Leroy,
My hats off to you guy! I had an uncle that did for me as you are doing for yours; thats pretty special what your doing! The kit will be there when you get there.

RG
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 09:16:00 AM: Richard,

You do realize that hole your paint-stand screw is in, is meant for those little 1/16" dia. dowels--drill the holes through the balsa wedges, glue in the dowels, and the MM will be bulletproof.

Or, it could double as a paint-stand holder...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 07, 2006, 11:31:14 AM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 09:16:00 AM
Richard,

You do realize that hole your paint-stand screw is in, is meant for those little 1/16" dia. dowels--drill the holes through the balsa wedges, glue in the dowels, and the MM will be bulletproof.

Or, it could double as a paint-stand holder...

--Ray
HB~> :!

Yep, I saw that on the notes sheet. I was gonna do it when I mount the motor, coat'em with epoxy. I made (sorta)triangular stock for the MM-to-fuse for primary rigidity of the mount. I will use the dowel pins as a second measure of safety.

I was thinking of selling these paint stands, whatdaya think?? 8)
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 07, 2006, 02:00:45 PM: I aready have a hundreds of them paint stands **) **) Got it on the leadouts. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 02:39:54 PM: Betcha yours ain't pink, though.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 07, 2006, 04:13:35 PM: Look at the tissue I found in my stash.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 07, 2006, 04:19:46 PM: The tissue is ging on the wings. I used spider wire for the hinges it just workes better for me. Ray this kit fits so well its realy fun. And sharing it online makes it even more fun.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 07, 2006, 05:00:25 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on December 07, 2006, 04:19:46 PM
The tissue is ging on the wings. I used spider wire for the hinges it just workes better for me. Ray this kit fits so well its realy fun. And sharing it online makes it even more fun.

You must be Speedy Gonzalles Mike! Looking really nice. Are you conna apply the tissue as checkerboard, or as diamonds?..

Oh, and do you need one of my new, custom finished handheld painting stands? I was going to try and make a deal with Ray to include one in each kit, but it would drive the price of the kits up too much!! f~ ~> HB~> HB~>

**)
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 07, 2006, 05:42:05 PM: Mike, I actually used sewn hinges on mine too. I just figured it was easier to include cloth hinges than a needle and thread in each kit!

I like the tissue too. You are going to shape those leading and trailing edges a little first?

Hmmmm...thought you could see the sewn hinges in this pic but I guess not. Well, take my word for it.

Richard, I think you probably need to establish a franchise system to market that paint stand...my little operation would just hold you back.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: bill marvel on December 07, 2006, 08:05:21 PM: Hey, Richard
I won't be able to start mine until after Christmas. Tell me a bit more about strengthening the 1/16" surfaces with CA. I've never done that.

Looking good! If I still lived in San Antonio, we could fly this weekend. (LOL)

regards
bill marvel
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 08, 2006, 12:05:40 AM: Quote from: bill marvel on December 07, 2006, 08:05:21 PM
Hey, Richard
I won't be able to start mine until after Christmas. Tell me a bit more about strengthening the 1/16" surfaces with CA. I've never done that.

Looking good! If I still lived in San Antonio, we could fly this weekend. (LOL)

regards
bill marvel
Hi Bill!
I just sand the LE and TE to the desired airfoiled shape, then hit it with very thin CA and it "smokes it way in like a sponge. It makes the now thin edges more durable and less likely to get dented after finishing. Makes the really soft balsa quiet rigid.

Yes its toobad you moved away. Its a pretty good drive from Houston, but I have my in-laws there in Windcrest, and I get that way more often than most. I doubt I'll get to fly mine til after Christmas either, Im goin on a road trip next week for a week.

All thats left on mine is to cover the wings, stickem on, and put on the motor. The wings were built tonite by themselves, practically!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 08, 2006, 11:21:52 AM: well, it may be butt ugly, but it'll fly!! %^ At least it wont get lost under a cow paddy.

Whaa..? Doesn't everyone in Texas have a cow in their front yard?? ~^

Now I just gotta remember where I left that motor.... ???
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 08, 2006, 01:08:23 PM: Your Queen Bee looks very good Richard.
I finished that kitchen today and will work on my Queen Bee this weekend. y1
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 08, 2006, 02:45:02 PM: Very nice. Do you know what it weighs?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 08, 2006, 02:56:23 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on December 08, 2006, 01:08:23 PM
Your Queen Bee looks very good Richard.
I finished that kitchen today and will work on my Queen Bee this weekend. y1

Thanks Frank! Heres some of my old guys hangin' out with the new kid! I bet you could do the Red White and Blue scheme on your Bee,Frank!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 08, 2006, 03:10:32 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 08, 2006, 02:45:02 PM
Very nice. Do you know what it weighs?

--Ray

Ray,

My scales are out in the shop. Its cold! HB~>

I'll try to get it later tonite. I think its substantially lighter than the Pitts I've shown here!

f~ ~>

I still need some smaller tubing to extend the tank vents/filler to the top. Either that, or start it on its side and hold it like that til launch!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 08, 2006, 03:23:07 PM: Richard, I'm thinking you could just plug the lower vent after filling, and surface tension would prevent the other from leaking...it would work kinda like a uniflow. Worth a try anyhow.

You did relocate the interior fuel line, right?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 08, 2006, 04:09:16 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 08, 2006, 03:23:07 PM
You did relocate the interior fuel line, right?

--Ray
Yes, I did when I rotated the tank back.
I was thinking about doing something with some small brass tubing and some silver solder off of the fill lines, or maybe no solder and use short flexible connector line to the brass tubing... Just need to figure a way to support them and secure them from bending; maybe a bracket that straps behind the tank/firewall mount. I have the brass tubing and benders for it. I'll see what happens..
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 08, 2006, 04:35:31 PM: You saw my rig, right? 'Way too complex, I think, but looks cool...kinda like a supercharger, huh?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 08, 2006, 09:23:12 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 08, 2006, 02:45:02 PM
Very nice. Do you know what it weighs?

--Ray

2.1 oz. (59g) total weight. The little Cox Red Baron is 3.6oz (103g)
I gotta re-shrink that CG covering... HB~>

If I had cool tissue, I would re-do it instead of using this iron on crap..oh well... SH^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 09, 2006, 07:08:04 AM: Very nice...mine came out at 2 oz. just about exactly, RTF. Considering the little engine weighs 1 oz., that ain't bad!

Re-shrink carefully; these little wings warp at a cross-eyed look.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 09, 2006, 03:51:01 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 09, 2006, 07:08:04 AM
Re-shrink carefully; these little wings warp at a cross-eyed look.

--Ray
No kiddin!!I was cross-eyed n~ til today!!Just one of those things..

When I covered the wings it was like trying to cover a slab of rubber! HB~> It was a constant battle with the shrinking. HB~> Tissue and dope would make a better covering for sure, but would get too heavy if it wasnt pre-colored and you wanted a painted design lke this..I guess I'll just deal with it..fly it and shut-up! :##

Hey Frank, Leroy and Mike! Any progress on yours yet? Bills got an excuse so he'll be around later on. We hope to get some new/ fresh ideas from you fellows!! ???
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 09, 2006, 04:05:56 PM: What you say Where am I OHHHH What's that wonderful smell **) **) **)
I'm putting on some dope. Yes I'm sanding the wing. reminds me of building stabs for freeflight. Actually some were alot bigger.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 09, 2006, 04:07:48 PM: Cool we have our own thread %^ %^ ~^ ~^ j1 j1
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 09, 2006, 06:41:47 PM: You don't suppose Robert's trying to shuffle us off in an out-of-the-way corner, do you?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 09, 2006, 07:39:48 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 09, 2006, 06:41:47 PM
You don't suppose Robert's trying to shuffle us off in an out-of-the-way corner, do you?

--Ray
Feel the Love!!!!!! f~ ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> ~> HB~>
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 09, 2006, 08:12:01 PM: If we can just get Mike's head out of the dope can...and where'd Frank go?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 10, 2006, 05:08:25 AM: Frank's right here Ray. I've been looking for that package of Jap tissue I bought some time ago. It doesn't seem to want to be found.
I'm working on the Bee today.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: RC Storick on December 10, 2006, 07:47:50 AM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 09, 2006, 06:41:47 PM
You don't suppose Robert's trying to shuffle us off in an out-of-the-way corner, do you?

--Ray

I try to make everyone happy. You now have a place to post 1/2a stuff and arf stuff. The things I am setting up for the open building forum are things like the bell crank thread.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 10, 2006, 08:25:57 AM: Quote from: Robert Storick on December 10, 2006, 07:47:50 AM
I try to make everyone happy. You now have a place to post 1/2a stuff and arf stuff. The things I am setting up for the open building forum are things like the bell crank thread.
If we can get everyone to start their threads in the appropriate catagory will be the true challenge!! I think its a great idea what your doing,old habits are hard to break though..My desktop shortcut goes directly to the general Open Forum, so thats where I've posted the most. I have created a new shortcut to the forum index list
and will re-train my method of madness of my first look-see!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 10, 2006, 12:56:36 PM: I wasn't complaining, Robert...just teasing. Maybe I need to learn to use those goofy emoticons. Thanks for the dedicated space.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 10, 2006, 04:14:16 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on December 10, 2006, 05:08:25 AM
Frank's right here Ray. I've been looking for that package of Jap tissue I bought some time ago. It doesn't seem to want to be found.
I'm working on the Bee today.
Hey Frank!
I was looking for that pack of jap tissue too! Could'nt find it either!! had some cool Goldberg shrink so thats what I used.Big mistake f~

If you do tissue, I bet it ends up being the nicest one here so far n1 b1
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 10, 2006, 04:57:13 PM: Richard,
I can't find the darn tissue. I'll have to visit the LHS tomorrow.

The weather here was warm at 40 degrees and the wind was lite at about 15 mph. so instead of going downstairs and working on my Bee I went out flying.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 11, 2006, 09:12:47 AM: Hey Guys! I have almost finished the Christmas presents. So I should start mine soon. I'm thinking about using some Hallmark colored tissue. I have used it on a Dakota free flight and it looked good.

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 11, 2006, 03:33:37 PM: I'm working on my Bee tonite and I have a question.

HOW THE HECK DID YOU GUYS GET THE STRUT WIRES ON? AND AT WHAT POINT OF THE CONSTRUCTION DID YOU DO IT? GOT PICTURES?

I just tried pushing a T-Pin through the rib and coulldn't get it straight thru.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 11, 2006, 03:54:02 PM: Hey Frank,

You'll notice I mentioned that in the building note sheet. I think your T-pin is probably larger diameter than the .03 wire...I used a cut-off piece of the wire, just twisted it back and forth like a drill bit as I worked it through the tip rib. I doubted it would work but it did...and I know I'm no more skilled at building than you are!

As far as what construction stage, I did mine after the wings were covered, in fact after the lower wing was glued in place. You have to kinda watch the angle of the hole, but that can be adjusted after the fact by tweaking the wire itself.

If you think it's sort of a Mickey Mouse arrangement, direct your complaints to Mr. Scarinzi, not me. Me, I'm staying mum about it. I don't criticize other peoples' designs, hoping they'll refrain from criticizing mine in return. I don't think it always works though.

I suppose you could leave off the rounded tips, just leave 'em flat a la BiSlob, and make struts from a narrow strip of 1/32" ply. or something on the end. You might even get by with leaving them off altogether except then you won't have a leadout guide...always complications.

Good luck.

Hmmmmm...I was hoping the strut would show up better than this; best picture I have of it right now. It was done exactly as the original plans show, little bent tabs at the end and all.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 11, 2006, 06:15:59 PM: Thanks Ray............I'll try "drilling" my way thru with the wire. The pin is about the same size as the wire but maybe the point and pushing it through is where I'm going wrong. Onward and forward.

I went to the Prop Shop today and picked up Japanese Tissue. Working with this stuff kind of puts a whole new light on free flight.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: bob branch on December 11, 2006, 07:42:51 PM: Frank

You doing it in yellow so you can see it better after sunset when the wind goes down?

bob
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 11, 2006, 08:11:13 PM: Hey Frank is that tissue on there.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 11, 2006, 08:49:29 PM: Yes Mike,
That's tissue on there. Is that ok?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 11, 2006, 09:36:24 PM: Nice job sofar Frank!! Are you using the same color tissue for the wings?
I'll be curious just how light it'll comes out at...Fun!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 12, 2006, 01:13:33 AM: Frank's just following tradition... if it's one of my planes, it has to be yellow.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 12, 2006, 04:12:19 PM: AAARGH!! Man I don't know how you guys managed to push that strut wire through the end ribs.

I tried all four ribs and screwed up on every one of them. I just can't do it. And I'm tipping my hat to you guys that can.

Here is a picture of what I did to get it to work. It's a cop out for sure but hey.

I'm going to do the wings yellow too. Probably I'll try to get a black or red sunburst on them.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 12, 2006, 09:26:40 PM: Yup, that'll work fine. I thought about the same fix but opted to go with the original. Now yours will weigh 1/100 oz. more than the others.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 13, 2006, 03:52:12 AM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 12, 2006, 09:26:40 PM
. Now yours will weigh 1/100 oz. more than the others.

--Ray

I agonized over that wieght gain. Now it's going to be a porker.
Where do you get spider wire?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 13, 2006, 05:53:50 AM: Frank;
There is an easy way to get that wire through the end ribs. Drill the hole with pin vice and a micro drill. I have a selection of micro drills from when I was doing N- scale trains. We used to drill small holes so we could put real grab irons on the cars. I had to used a magnifying glass to make the little buggers, and then my cat would tear them off if I left the door open to the train room.

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 13, 2006, 06:08:04 AM: Hi Leroy,
I wish you would have posted that micro-bit tip a couple days ago!! At least you know what you're in for when you start your Bee.
So far that's been the only spot that's given me any real trouble except of course the fact that this whole plane is smaller than the average rudder I build.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 13, 2006, 06:26:18 AM: Frank,

Spiderwire is fishing line. I get mine at Wal-Mart. There are some other brands/types that work as well, I hear, but don't recall what they are. You want something with minimal "give" or stretch, if a salesman asks.

Leroy, maybe you could start a peripheral cottage industry drilling end-ribs for Queen Bees!

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on December 13, 2006, 11:08:23 AM: Hmmm! :! I could be a subcontractor. I'll get my start with Queen Bee tip ribs, and then... >:D Well anyway there wouldn't be any steelwooling varnish. **)

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 13, 2006, 05:12:19 PM: Hey Frank I love tissue on flat balsa parts it looks so neat. I once did it with some colored silk it really looked nice. I've slowed up a bit council meetting, choir and Xmas shopping. HB~> Wow this Queen Bee kit is going to be big business withe paint stands and pre-drilled parts It'll have it's own economic impact. **) f~ ~~>
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 14, 2006, 05:23:55 AM: I like the tissue too Mike....................................

I have the wings almost ready to cover. The plan is to add somme black tissue paper trim.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 14, 2006, 04:36:10 PM: I'm covering my wings now will paint the fuse this weekend. I have to get some paint for it. It's coming along kinda slow.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 14, 2006, 06:21:00 PM: I'm going slow too Mike. Didn't get home from work till 8 P.M. tonite. Looks like the Bee will have to wait till tomorrow. Hey it's winter here in Detroit anyway.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 14, 2006, 06:29:17 PM: I might go flying Sat. forcast is calm winds and 45 for the high. Can't beat that here in Minnesota in Dec. I'll still paint my fuse.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 14, 2006, 06:41:40 PM: Flying sounds like a good idea. I went out last Sunday. Took my electric Smoothie the handle and lines and two batteries. It was nice not carting a bunch of gear.
I'm still going to work on my Bee too........BUT!!...........if we have the kind of weather you're expecting .........then ....Fly I must!!

AP^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 16, 2006, 05:32:23 PM: Well guys................I got a little further alomg with my Queen Bee.
All the parts are covered or painted.
Tomorrow I'm going to dope up the parts and add some black tissue paper stripes. Then it's show time for final assembly.

Working with tissue is a pretty delicate operation.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 16, 2006, 07:39:14 PM: Comin' right along...looks good. When you asemble it, remember to include the pushrod from the very first step...once you get it together it's too late.

Oh, Frank, I just looked at your "winter" video...pretty funny. No snow here at all, though, and none in sight. Very unusual winter so far. It's probably saving it all up, we'll get 5 feet dumped on us in Jan.!

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 16, 2006, 07:48:39 PM: Push rod first!! Got it...........
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 17, 2006, 05:31:48 PM: I'm getting close to having my Bee ready for show and tell. I think I like wht I have. At first it seemed like a really bad idea but now that it's closer to being done the scheme is panning out.
It's tempting to post a picture now but it'll be better to show the assembled model.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 17, 2006, 06:39:24 PM: --Ray

EDIT to remove that asinine comment I got tired of seeing every time I loaded this page.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 18, 2006, 06:18:05 AM: I guess I am the balsa tease now.

I just went down and looked at the Bee. I may have messed it up with the color scheme and pattern I'm using. Sometimes I have to work really hard to screw something up completely.
At any rate it is now in a state of ARF.

I stuck the parts together (no glue) for the picture below. I still have some trim to add on the stab. It's all in tissue so weight shouldn't be a problem.

HONESTLY------what do you think?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on December 18, 2006, 07:11:51 AM: Frank
You should feel proud! That color scheme will not let it be lost in a crowd, even among a bunch of normal sized stunt ships.
Clancy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 18, 2006, 10:41:52 AM: Clancy, it does stick out like a sore thumb doesn't it?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 18, 2006, 06:25:56 PM: Great idea Frank, and a nice looking Bee Indeed! Hows the all up weight like?

I know that extra balsa in the tips probably broke the scales!! HB~>

Good to see you finish it..now onto the next(bee) one? Or, are you saving it for a long cold day!!?? :!

Nice job!
RG
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 18, 2006, 07:00:15 PM: Thanks Richard------I'm still kinda worried that it looks stupid. But I do have that other one.

Construction notes-----

All of the parts fit very well.
It's a fun build.

Here are some pix of the bellcrank and pushrod set up. The Minnesotaa Modeler really nailed it on simplicity and strength.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 18, 2006, 07:01:05 PM: My son has my camera may be tomorrow I'll have pics. '' HB~>
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 18, 2006, 11:55:49 PM: Who would have thought of it but you...a bumblebee! Very clever!

So what's the next one gonna be...a honeybee? maybe a killer bee, except I don't kow how they're colored. Hmmmm, purple wasp?

Very nice job, Frank.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 19, 2006, 05:19:51 AM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on December 18, 2006, 07:01:05 PM
My son has my camera may be tomorrow I'll have pics. '' HB~>

Hey Mike, We'll all be looking forward to seeing how you do your Queen Bee, so be sure to post the pix as promised.

We may very well be on our way to having the longest thread at Stunt Hangar!! Did you see that we are on page 3??
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 19, 2006, 05:26:44 AM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 18, 2006, 11:55:49 PM
Who would have thought of it but you...a bumblebee! Very clever!

So what's the next one gonna be...a honeybee? maybe a killer bee, except I don't kow how they're colored. Hmmmm, purple wasp?

Very nice job, Frank.

--Ray

Thanks Ray---A bumble bee just seemed like a natural. Of course once I got going it started looking kind of stupid. But now that it's getting close to being finished, one advantage I can see is that it will be really hard not to notice it at the circle.

I flew my Queen Bee last night!! Actually had a dream about flying it. I had way too much down in the lines so I had to use most of the up just to keep from crashing it. It was promising though. Maybe tonite I'll get the lines set right. ;D
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 19, 2006, 08:21:44 AM: Boy, I dunno whether to start worrying about you or not...flying in your dreams? Is that a sign of obsession? At least it was one of my models!

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 19, 2006, 11:13:13 AM: Quote from: frank carlisle on December 19, 2006, 05:26:44 AM
I flew my Queen Bee last night!! Actually had a dream about flying it. I had way too much down in the lines so I had to use most of the up just to keep from crashing it. It was promising though. Maybe tonite I'll get the lines set right. ;D

Frank,
Was that Nitrate or Butyrate???????............ n~ :X n~ :X n~ f~ HB~>
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 19, 2006, 01:36:30 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 19, 2006, 08:21:44 AM
Boy, I dunno whether to start worrying about you or not...flying in your dreams? Is that a sign of obsession? At least it was one of my models!

--Ray

I don't know if it's obsession or not. I do plan on going to bed early tonite. Then I'll have time to adjust the handle. BTW...the Bee flew pretty good on 15 ft lines.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 19, 2006, 01:37:22 PM: Quote from: Richard Grogan on December 19, 2006, 11:13:13 AM
Frank,
Was that Nitrate or Butyrate???????............ n~ :X n~ :X n~ f~ HB~>

NITE-TRATE of course!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 20, 2006, 03:42:01 PM: Pics coming soon as I'm leaving for AZ Fri morn. Won't be able to fly there seeing the In-laws for Xmas. But I'll get some mountain biking in with my son and daughters boy friend. If the boy friend doesn't work out we'll leave him in the desert. ~~> **)
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Bill Little on December 22, 2006, 02:16:07 AM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on December 20, 2006, 03:42:01 PM
Pics coming soon as I'm leaving for AZ Fri morn. Won't be able to fly there seeing the In-laws for Xmas. But I'll get some mountain biking in with my son and daughters boy friend. If the boy friend doesn't work out we'll leave him in the desert. ~~> **)

Sounds like a plan! **)
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 23, 2006, 08:29:31 AM: I guess Mike's pixs got lost in the server outage.... :-[
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on December 24, 2006, 08:42:05 AM: Yea what happened? I'm in AZ at the Inlaws so I can't repost till I get home. That'll be next year n~. Still no news on the boyfriend yet LL~ ~^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 27, 2006, 05:01:35 PM: O.K.!!!!!!!!!

Finally got my Queen Bee ready to fly. Weighs 1 1/2 oz. and is nose heavy. I believe I'll be taking the gear off of it.
I plan to spray a couple more coats of clear so it may end up properly balanced.

What a hassle getting the motor bolted on!!

I plan on going to Flint on New Years Day for our annual "Event for the insane" if the wind cooperates and the motor runs I'll get some video of it flying and post a link so you guys can check it out.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on December 27, 2006, 05:22:58 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on December 27, 2006, 05:01:35 PM
O.K.!!!!!!!!!

I plan on going to Flint on New Years Day for our annual "Event for the insane" if the wind cooperates and the motor runs I'll get some video of it flying and post a link so you guys can check it out.
Please do Frank! Thats one sharp looking Bee! You are a true craftsman. Now about that LA Heat...
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 27, 2006, 06:33:32 PM: I'm going to get back to the LA Heat in week or two. Right now I'm going to try to get that auto-gyro ready to fly.

Thnks for the craftsman remrk----sadly up close there are flaws. Small ones but ..............
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 27, 2006, 08:08:04 PM: I approve of the color.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 27, 2006, 08:27:41 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on December 27, 2006, 08:08:04 PM
I approve of the color.

--Ray

YES..............if it's a MM model it must be yellow!! y1

I managed that stinkin' wire thru the rib jazz only to come up against those tee-niney motor screws. Sheesh!! HB~>
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on December 28, 2006, 01:51:08 AM: Fat fingers, hmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on December 28, 2006, 09:07:06 PM: Fat and stiff Ray. From years of using power tools. It's easier to pound in a gutter spike with a 16 oz. hammer than it is to build these little puppies. mw~
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on January 04, 2007, 04:13:07 PM: Well, Is that it for the Bee Building? Seems there were a few others we were waiting for pixs on....????? :'( :'( ??? :'( Z@@ZZZ Z@@ZZZ Z@@ZZZ
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 04, 2007, 04:25:23 PM: Yeah, I dunno what happened to them...I remember one was going to start his after Christmas. Where are you, guys?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 04, 2007, 04:51:11 PM: Hey!! At least we got ours built!! Maybe the Holidays got them off track. I would sure like to see what they come up with.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on January 04, 2007, 05:21:02 PM: Where are the Bees. The IBTW Barnstormer is on 30 ft .008 stranded lines and wanting to race!

Any Queen Bees flying yet?

Clancy

He He.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 04, 2007, 05:48:36 PM: Clancy----all your talk about flying got me curious about where you are from. Indianapolis,Right? Well I thought you'd be from Arizona or Fla. so my hat is off to you!! You're just as chilly as we are in Detroit.
I'm going to see about going flying this coming weekend. If I do and if my .020 will run for me, I'll be able to post a flying report. Maybe even a video. Then maybe I'll take you up on that race!! That should be fun.
Have you flown loops etc. with the ibtw Barnstormer?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on January 04, 2007, 09:10:35 PM: Frank
Now that I have went to .008 x 30 ft stranded steel lines I can try it out for loops and such.

Jack Sheeks wants to try it out. He might build one for himself.

Clancy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on January 05, 2007, 08:47:25 AM: I'm still here! Didn't get started because the weather was to nice so the wife comes up with all sorts of honey do items. I did get my bench all cleaned off, and the Bee box is sitting in the middle of it along with an Enterprise Sopwith Camel for an 0.049, and the Auto Gyro. Plus the Stabilizer for my Scale P47, which by the way is longer than the Bee and the Camels wings put together, and has more parts!

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 05, 2007, 09:13:52 AM: Hey!! There you are Leroy!!..................I hope you start your Bee next. With your scale modeling experience yours will probably be the nicest one of the lot.

Did you get a digital camera for Christmas?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Leroy Heikes on January 05, 2007, 10:10:19 AM: Frank;
I did not get one for Christmas, :'( but I may buy myself a cheap one for taking building shots in a week or two. Watch out Walmart here I come! VD~

Leroy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on January 05, 2007, 09:49:18 PM: Quote from: Leroy Heikes on January 05, 2007, 10:10:19 AM
Frank;
I did not get one for Christmas, :'( but I may buy myself a cheap one for taking building shots in a week or two. Watch out Walmart here I come! VD~

Leroy

Check your local pawnshops too. may find something real cheap!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on January 07, 2007, 12:12:36 PM: Here's the pics that got lost.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on January 07, 2007, 01:04:45 PM: Mike
I like the colors and the checkerboard wings. BUT, unless you are flying CW I give it 1 1/2 laps before all of your fuel will have dumped out the fill and vent lines.
Clancy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Robert McHam on January 07, 2007, 05:14:22 PM: That checkerboard covering is really cool! Where can I get some? Was it once black and white dyed blue? I have seen black and white and red and white. Yet I still do not know where to get the checkerboard patterns ( besides the expensive heavy iron-ons trim sheets).

Robert
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 07, 2007, 09:38:05 PM: Quote from: Clancy Arnold on January 07, 2007, 01:04:45 PM
Mike
I like the colors and the checkerboard wings. BUT, unless you are flying CW I give it 1 1/2 laps before all of your fuel will have dumped out the fill and vent lines.
Clancy

Yes, you need to reverse the tank...put the vents and NV on the inboard side. Plug the lower vent after filling.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 08, 2007, 02:31:53 AM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on January 07, 2007, 12:12:36 PM
Here's the pics that got lost.

Nice work Mike!!.........love the tissue.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on January 08, 2007, 03:33:45 PM: The tissue on the wings came from a Freeflight Club auction some years ago. So I don't have any idea of where it came from. I also got some red and black. I have some issues with the tank at this time the motor was used on a freeflight and was set up for a eyedropper tank so there is a hole in the tank that has to be filled and at that time I'll set it right.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Robert McHam on January 08, 2007, 04:23:42 PM: Mike Spiess said:
"I have some issues with the tank at this time the motor was used on a freeflight and was set up for a eyedropper tank so there is a hole in the tank that has to be filled and at that time I'll set it right."

Duct Tape! Heh!

Robert
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 08, 2007, 04:25:53 PM: How 'bout a tiny little cork? Or some bubble gum (see "Rocketeer")?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 08, 2007, 04:58:48 PM: jb weld?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Robert McHam on January 08, 2007, 10:33:45 PM: There is some really good stuff that you can use with a propane torch. Its called HTS-2000:
http://www.aluminumrepair.com/more_info.asp
Really good stuff.

Robert
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on January 09, 2007, 03:44:35 PM: "Cork from a brandy bottle" Burt Munro (Worlds Fastest Indian) He's been my hero since an artical about him in a motorcycle mag back in the 70's
http://www.worldsfastestindian.com/
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: George on January 10, 2007, 08:51:08 AM: Quote from: Robert McHam on January 08, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
There is some really good stuff that you can use with a propane torch. Its called HTS-2000:
http://www.aluminumrepair.com/more_info.asp
Really good stuff.

Robert

There are a couple of those products available in aluminum and also at least one in steel. You need to practice a few times before tackling something good. Don't ask...

I got mine from Eastwood (auto repair) because they offered small quantities.

George

PS. You guys convinced me. Got two Queen Bees started. So far, cut out balsa parts. Hinged elevator to stab, glued firewall braces to fuselage, and sanded rib stacks. The rest will take more time depending on the TUIT factor. ;)
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 10, 2007, 09:27:58 AM: be sure to post pix as you build your Bees George. And welcome aboard.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 10, 2007, 11:18:59 AM: Consider Frank seconded.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on January 10, 2007, 04:38:03 PM: pics pics pics mw~ mw~
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Robert McHam on January 10, 2007, 05:08:37 PM: George said:
" You need to practice a few times before tackling something good. Don't ask..."

Really good advice, don't ask how I know...

An easy way to practice is on empty aluminum pop or beer cans. The fellow I saw doing a live demo would take a rather large nail and drive it through the center of the bottom with a 16oz hammer and then remove it wallowing out the hole making it larger as he went. Then he would take a piece of wet or dry sandpaper and give it a few licks then seal the hole with this stuff and then take the same nail ands hammer try to make a hole in the same place as before, ultimatley crushing the can in the process and no hole was made.

Very impressive display of how easy it was to use and how strong the bond was!

Robert
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on January 10, 2007, 05:13:53 PM: Well, its good to see this thread is still alive and well! y1 We have the longest running thread in SH history, besides Sparkys! %^@

Its amazing that such a little Bee can stir up so much discussion! HB~> LL~

Anyone get in a test flite?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 10, 2007, 07:44:23 PM: That's the really amazing part...all this intense interest and NOT ONE of these little things has ever hit the air yet...we don't even know if they'll fly!!!

Frank, you were gonna test-fly yours awhile back...any updates?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on January 10, 2007, 08:13:09 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on January 10, 2007, 07:44:23 PM
That's the really amazing part...all this intense interest and NOT ONE of these little things has ever hit the air yet...we don't even know if they'll fly!!!
--Ray

They may not....but they'll look cool trying LL~ LL~
LL~
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 10, 2007, 08:15:57 PM: no updtes on flying the Queen Bee...............it has turned into winter here with snow and wind.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on January 10, 2007, 08:39:58 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on January 10, 2007, 08:15:57 PM
no updtes on flying the Queen Bee...............it has turned into winter here with snow and wind.
Time for 1000 Frank!! #^ #^ #^ Congrats, now finish that Heat!! mw~
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Elwyn Aud on January 14, 2007, 11:39:19 AM: Here's one Larry Scarinzi brought out to the VSC several years ago. Notice Larry's trademark lightning bolts on the wing.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 14, 2007, 12:02:28 PM: Very good to see, thank you for posting these...good to see Larry used the same sidewinder mount with NV and vents turned inboard. I couldn't see any other way to do it but didn't know how the original was done. Most interesting. Now if we only had a flight report...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 14, 2007, 01:39:58 PM: Note also that on Larry's Bee the vents are just left alone.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Robert McHam on January 14, 2007, 04:36:50 PM: Notice also we do not know the actual run time...

This tank position could actually be ok if you were starting the engine with the fillr ports in a pretty much verticle position. Once launched the fuel in the tank would be seeking the "bottom" of the tank,

Notice also how shiny that fellows (on our right in the pic) left hand. It seems very shiny to me. Maybe too shiny? As though it were soaked wth fuel from thos ports?

Take your pick folks. Just because one has flown that way does not mean it is the best way to fly it.

Robert
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 14, 2007, 05:05:29 PM: No..I don't think that's fuel on that shiny hand. It's just the way the light is hitting it.
Did you notice that the shiny hand looks like it's been doing hard work for a long time?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Elwyn Aud on January 14, 2007, 05:41:56 PM: The hands holding the plane belong to Charlie Bruce.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 14, 2007, 06:51:23 PM: Quote from: Robert McHam on January 14, 2007, 04:36:50 PM
Notice also we do not know the actual run time...

This tank position could actually be ok if you were starting the engine with the fillr ports in a pretty much verticle position. Once launched the fuel in the tank would be seeking the "bottom" of the tank,

Notice also how shiny that fellows (on our right in the pic) left hand. It seems very shiny to me. Maybe too shiny? As though it were soaked wth fuel from thos ports?

Take your pick folks. Just because one has flown that way does not mean it is the best way to fly it.

Robert

I always kinda figure the designer has these things worked out...good to know what he had in mind, whether I decide to follow it or not. Still interesting to see one from "days of yore".

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 14, 2007, 09:16:59 PM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on January 14, 2007, 06:51:23 PM
I always kinda figure the designer has these things worked out...good to know what he had in mind, whether I decide to follow it or not. Still interesting to see one from "days of yore".

--Ray

I second that!!!!!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on January 19, 2007, 05:36:39 PM: Anyone get a flight yet? AP^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 19, 2007, 06:25:38 PM: Nah, weather ain't fittin' to walk a dog, much less fly a plane. Lucky to get above 0 d., or wind under 20 mph. Anxiously awaiting Spring, as usual about this time of year.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 19, 2007, 07:43:17 PM: Same here----WINTER!!--I'm still walking the dog though---they say if your dog is fat you don't get enough exercise. n1
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 20, 2007, 09:37:54 AM: Well, I have a cat, and walking him is out of the question. so he and I are both fat I guess. He did catch (and kill, wonder of wonders) a mouse once, so I keep him around. And I feed him every morning so he keeps me around. Works out pretty well.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 20, 2007, 01:09:22 PM: I been scrubbin' my mind to find something witty to add here but with no success..............
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 20, 2007, 04:28:37 PM: !
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 20, 2007, 04:32:37 PM: Awww...........dat's a cute puddy tat...........even if she isn't a mouser and doesn't do well on a leash she's a keeper. y1
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 21, 2007, 03:02:38 AM: Well, "she"'s a "he", but yup, I've had worse, as they say here in MN.

Enough hijacking, Back to the Queen Bee!

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 21, 2007, 06:02:36 AM: Quote from: minnesotamodeler on January 21, 2007, 03:02:38 AM

Enough hijacking, Back to the Queen Bee!

--Ray

Yes the Queen Bee. Aren't there couple other guys out there that were in this?
Where are they?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 21, 2007, 06:32:58 AM: Lessee, there's Richard, Mike, Leroy is still looking for his camera, Bill Marvel--what happened to Bill?--, Jim Thomerson, Gordon Tarbell...with your two that's 8, I think that's all, Frank. Yeah, I'd like to see some of these other efforts too. Guys?

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 21, 2007, 10:13:00 AM: I guess in a way it's a good thing the other guys aren't building and post. I mean our threads are already 3 or 4 pages long with a kaxillions MBs of photo #^s.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on January 21, 2007, 12:34:38 PM: I'm still around will have some pics later today. Finally finished up all the "little" details. Now I have to fix the motor. I guess I missed you Ray you where at the last MPP meeting. #^
By the way Ray are we going to together to fly these Bee's I think that would be a hoot.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 21, 2007, 04:26:38 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on January 21, 2007, 12:34:38 PM
I'm still around will have some pics later today. Finally finished up all the "little" details. Now I have to fix the motor. I guess I missed you Ray you where at the last MPP meeting. #^
By the way Ray are we going to together to fly these Bee's I think that would be a hoot.

Hey, Mike... Yeah, I dunno why we couldn't--of course, I'd just as soon wait for Spring, not a cold-weather flier at all, you know. Hey, maybe we could bring some streamers and--naw, I guess not...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 24, 2007, 07:39:18 AM: C'MON Mike!!-----------you said pictures. y1
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on January 31, 2007, 03:09:15 AM: Here is an interesting feature of the Bee that I hadn't noticed till just now. The pushrod pulls double duty. Not only does it wriggle the elevator but it also is the tail skid. Very clever!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on January 31, 2007, 09:48:25 AM: Yeah, what a feature...gives it full "up" as it taxis, assures a quick takeoff...All in the plan, dontchaknow.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on February 04, 2007, 01:58:39 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on January 21, 2007, 12:34:38 PM
I'm still around will have some pics later today. Finally finished up all the "little" details. Now I have to fix the motor. I guess I missed you Ray you where at the last MPP meeting. #^
By the way Ray are we going to together to fly these Bee's I think that would be a hoot.

Hey Mike,
Wasn't yours the one with blue and black checkerboards? I thought I remeber seeing it once... ???
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 04, 2007, 02:38:15 PM: Quote from: Richard Grogan on February 04, 2007, 01:58:39 PM
Hey Mike,
Wasn't yours the one with blue and black checkerboards? I thought I remeber seeing it once... ???

That was Mike's Richard. Blue and black checkered wings and yellow fuselage and tail. The pictures are on page 3 of this thread.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on February 07, 2007, 03:25:08 PM: OK OK You guys the reason for no pics is I had a hanger crash still repairing. Tore the wings off. :'(
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 07, 2007, 03:50:03 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on February 07, 2007, 03:25:08 PM
OK OK You guys the reason for no pics is I had a hanger crash still repairing. Tore the wings off. :'(

How did the wings get torn off Mike? ???
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on February 07, 2007, 04:14:26 PM: Boy, I hate it when that happens...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on February 10, 2007, 02:24:42 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on February 07, 2007, 03:50:03 PM

How did the wings get torn off Mike? ???
A bicycle a crashed into the workbench and knocked it off then a box fell on it. HB~> And it wasn't even my bike good thing the only thing in the box was a parlor plane. mw~
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 10, 2007, 02:32:06 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on February 10, 2007, 02:24:42 PM
A bicycle a crashed into the workbench and knocked it off then a box fell on it. HB~> And it wasn't even my bike good thing the only thing in the box was a parlor plane. mw~

Mike you should post pix of the busted Bee. After all yours is the first to get crashed!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on February 10, 2007, 02:59:31 PM: :'( '' DK^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on February 10, 2007, 03:21:34 PM: Ouch!! Pore lil thang...Bike rider oughtta pick on something nearer his own size.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 10, 2007, 04:01:35 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on February 10, 2007, 02:59:31 PM
:'( '' DK^

Bummer dude!! You should have posted that little sign about 1/4A flying and no fly swatters allowed.....it may have saved the day....it doesn't look like it will be that hard to repair. Did any of the tissue get torn?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on February 10, 2007, 06:55:51 PM: Quote from: Mike Spiess on February 10, 2007, 02:59:31 PM
:'( '' DK^
Looks like a result of a new dance.."The Queen Bee Stomp"..Awesomely Awful dude! f~ j1 DV^^
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Clancy Arnold on February 10, 2007, 07:14:22 PM: Mike
Does this mean that I need to make up another sign "NO BIKES ALLOWED".
Clancy
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 10, 2007, 08:09:41 PM: Quote from: Clancy Arnold on February 10, 2007, 07:14:22 PM
Mike
Does this mean that I need to make up another sign "NO BIKES ALLOWED".
Clancy

YUP!!
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on February 13, 2007, 03:35:23 PM: some tissue %^ torn but repairable its on the bottom of the top wing
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on February 13, 2007, 04:05:32 PM: Well, somethin else must be broke...I'm pretty sure the tail isn't supposed to have that angle relative to the wing(s). Top wing busted loose, I guess? Or is the fuselage split? Whatever, it still should repair OK.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Mike Spiess on February 13, 2007, 04:11:01 PM: I thought I said earlier that the wings broke off, at lest they stayed in alignment. Just glued the fuse back together where it split.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 13, 2007, 05:41:42 PM: PICTURES!! MUST HAVE PICTURES!! HH%%
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on February 23, 2007, 10:15:58 AM: Any Bee flights yet? D>K
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on February 23, 2007, 02:45:45 PM: Huh...We've just been through about 3 weeks of sub-ZERO weather, and now that's it's warming up they're predicting a foot of snow. I can't even get out to my garage to paint, much less go fly.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 23, 2007, 07:28:26 PM: Quote from: Richard Grogan on February 23, 2007, 10:15:58 AM
Any Bee flights yet? D>K

Bee flights are weeks away for me Richard. I refuse to freeze this year.
Successful flights are assured----I have recently gotten another .020 with props, wrenches and a spare glow head.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on February 23, 2007, 09:48:05 PM: Quote from: frank carlisle on February 23, 2007, 07:28:26 PM

Bee flights are weeks away for me Richard. I refuse to freeze this year.
Successful flights are assured----I have recently gotten another .020 with props, wrenches and a spare glow head.
where'd you score the goodies from? %^@
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on February 23, 2007, 11:22:39 PM: I did some swapping...............the stuff looks good. The Bee will work for sure now.
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: Richard Grogan on June 25, 2007, 04:48:43 PM: Did anyone fly their Bee yet?
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 25, 2007, 08:09:57 PM: Sure, I've flown mine several times...busted it up on a tree branch, rebuilt it, and flew it some more. The .020 is PLENTY of power for it, I think a .010 would fly it fine. It stunts pretty well, just a little mushy in hard turns. My biggest problem with it is the miniscule tank on the .020, maybe 30-sec. flights. No room for an exterior tank. I'm thinking of building a little bit larger version (King Bee?) with some fuselage space dedicated to a tank.

I'm using 15' lines because that's the limit in the space I have (my back yard). I have hit a tree branch with the QB, a Lilac bush and the garage eave with my ShedDoor. Gotta learn not to wander even a little!

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on June 25, 2007, 08:27:08 PM: Ray I nearly choked laughing when you ticked off the list of things you've hit in the back yard. LL~
In my minds eye I see little half A size divots in the bushes , trees, and garage. LL~
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 25, 2007, 08:37:59 PM: Quarter A, Frank, quarter A...but divots, oh yeah. That's what my wife asked: "You leave any red paint on the garage?"

And I'm gonna hire a tree trimmer too.

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on June 25, 2007, 08:52:27 PM: I'd sure like to get some video of you out back Ray............
To coin a new phrase......Some of your antics are "HOMERESQUE".
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: minnesotamodeler on June 26, 2007, 02:18:27 AM: ...but I do have fun...

--Ray
Title: Re: Queen Bee Building
Post by: frank carlisle on June 26, 2007, 03:39:28 AM: Fun is a requirement......I do love your modeling adventure stories.