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Offline goozgog

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OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« on: August 03, 2009, 07:05:42 PM »
First, kudos, nods and thanks to Larry Renger
for letting us know about his OK Cub
modifications.

Second, disclamer. Your results may vary.

   I've had a fun weekend playing with old
engines. I purchased a couple of Cubs from
a fellow club member for $15.00 each.
They're nothing fancy, just decent old Cubs.
I like them for Musciano.

   Months ago I bought a real clunker Cub for
$5.00 that someone had taken a pair of plyers too.
After reading Larry's post on setting
up Cubs, I thought I'd see what I could do to
the clunker. The only real mod was grinding the
"flywheel" to improve the counter balance.

After the mods, using a K&B idlebar plug and
a Thimble Drome 5x3 prop, the clunker turned
13,500 on SIG 35% + castor. (to 28%)

The clunker with exact same set up turned
12,500 on Omega 5% + castor (to 28%)

Here's the interesting part....

I mounted my recently aquired $15.00 Cub
and moved the plug, prop and fuel from the
clunker to the $15.00 Cub.
On Omega 5% it turned 9,800 rpm.

I then disassembled the $15.00 Cub and
did Larry's crankshaft mods. I didn't do much
else. I remounted it and installed the exact
same plug and prop and used the same Omega
5% fuel.
It turned 12,500 and surged to 13,200 for a
brief period.

Call me a liar if you want to but I'm convinced
Larry has a good idea about Cubs!

Cheers! - Keith Morgan






Keith Morgan

Offline john e. holliday

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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 08:37:16 AM »
I always liked the little OK Cub .049A.  I think it powered at least a dozen of the Scientific kits.  The last plane it was on was the Berkeley Little 1/2A Zilch.  Ran it with Cox sport fuel or K&B 100 which ever I could get at the time in the pint cans.  I now have several OK Cubs in which one is the last one that was throwed together and put up for sale by OK Mfg.   Who's ever idea it was to put that peice of c++p in the venturi made me want to junk it.  Removed the insert and then the little engine came alive plus I could get it started.   :)DOC Holliday 

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Shawnee, KANSAS  66203
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Offline Larry Renger

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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 10:47:09 AM »
It is always "iffy" to give hop-up directions, as so much can be overdone, done wrong, screwed up completely (like my latest AP Wasp crankshaft, now residing in the trash).  I am glad to be of help.  In my opinion, fitting the crankshaft to the case and removing all obstructions to clean air flow are the key elements.  Balance would come 2nd.  But - whatever works for you!

Oh, the Wasp crank?  I broke off the drill I was using to drill out the crankpin, and ruined the pin trying to get it out.  Dang, the rest of the work to the crank had already been done, and was good.  HB~>
Think S.M.A.L.L. y'all and, it's all good, CL, FF and RC!

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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 02:14:03 PM »
Hi Larry!,
             Yes, I know what you mean by "iffy".
That's why I put the disclaimer near the top.
It wouldn't be fair if you were blamed for my
results, and if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes
I wouldn't have believed it eighther.
   Compared to modern engines, 13,500 rpm
is laughable but a good Cub seems to have it's
uses.

In total what I did was:

- reverse the spray bar and check the orientation,
  (holes centered down)

- De-burred the crank intake "slot".

- ground the flywheel edge flat between the
  crankpin and counter weight. I did not
  drill out the crankpin.

   That's it.
 
   I ran out of Sig 35% so that's
why I tried the 5% Omega + castor. These
engines do start much easier with the high
nitro.
   I didn't needle for a super lean run but
I let the engine settle into a steady
fast two and I took the readings after a
minute or so.

Cheers! - Keith Morgan
Keith Morgan

Offline Larry Renger

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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 09:31:50 AM »
The crankshaft polishing thing seems to be a simple and very effective hop-up.  If the crankshaft/case fit is good, use 2000 grit paper to just smooth the surface.  If the crank and case, clean and dry, seem at all tight, use 600 grit until the fit is smooth, then the 2000 for a mirror polish.  Just as a reminder, you chuck the shaft into a drill, running at low speeds, and fold a piece of the abrasive paper with oil in a "U" around it.  Pinch the paper tight against the shaft and run it up and down the shaft.

One final trick, if the compression seal is really good, is to use some 600 grit paper to taper the top of the piston and the bottom of the cylinder bore.  just a lick and promise is all it takes!

Lots'o oil and a careful break-in.  Think Fox .35, not Cox .049

 H^^
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DesignMan
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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 05:34:36 PM »
Another thing that can make some Cubs run better is to add some taper to the needle. Some go from full lean to sloppy rich in less than one turn. Plan B...someone (Larry?) suggested replacing the spraybar/needle with a Cox assembly.

I like 15%-25% nitro and ~22% lube. I don't believe 28% oil is necessary. If your Cub is high-mileage, you might try all-castor lube for a casor varnish seal to increase compression.

Also, you might be much happier building a plane in the size range for an OK Cub than to try to match the power of much more modern engines.

George
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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 11:10:20 PM »
SSSH! We are working on a new line of kits for the Cox Surestart engines. These planes will stunt with the cox engine and I am sure that a OK Cub will also work on them.  :-X
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Re: OK Cubs - L.R. Mods and R.P.M. notes
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2009, 08:37:43 AM »

I learned to do loops with the American Boy with the OK Cub .049A.  DOC Holliday
John E. "DOC" Holliday
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Shawnee, KANSAS  66203
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